MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

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Moo…Because they’d get the same or very similar results to what Dr. Wolfe is testifying to right now, which would be abhorrent to a prosecutor who wants a guilty verdict and not justice! 🙄. Shameful.
Bingo - Prosecution had this very same ARCCA report to use for free but they spent 400k to find a guy who would say what they wanted. Thats not what we call a search for Justice
And once again thats why you needed a mob lawyer who has no shame - noone else would touch it
not even for the big payout
JMO
 
Bingo - Prosecution had this very same ARCCA report to use for free but they spent 400k to find a guy who would say what they wanted. Thats not what we call a search for Justice
And once again thats why you needed a mob lawyer who has no shame - noone else would touch it
not even for the big payout
JMO

An ineffective mob lawyer at that. His guy still got convicted of 19 murders. JMO
 
I do believe that the defense wants the jury to marinate on this testimony for the weekend. Great strategy IMO
IMO no need to marinate - its clear as day to me.
As a juror I would think what the actual ...why am I here
In all fairness though I have way more info than they do
So yes - great testimony to have on a Fri
I imagine we will see Dr Rentschiler (sp?) on Monday
JMO
 
Reserving conclusions, questioning both sides, taking various points of view, and asking as many questions from as many angles as is possible is- Science.
That’s all I’m doing-
As is watching the trial(s) from start to finish, which you've stated you have not done unfortunately, which would IMO give you the best answers to your queries. You keep saying you're confused and I think if you watched the trial, it would alleviate some of your confusion.
MOO
 
Defense should rest now! IMO!
There may still be some icing on the cake to come. There is another dog bite expert (Mr Wing?) who would be useful after ARCCA as none of the testing scenarios appear to have left patterned wounds on the dummy(?) such as is seen when someone is bitten and scratched by a large dog. I think Dr Rentschler (sp?), also from ARCCA, may be up too. IIRC he is the "human factor" specialist, so could be he will talk about the wounds and injuries being inconsistent with a car impact. Moo
 
As is watching the trial(s) from start to finish, which you've stated you have not done unfortunately, which would IMO give you the best answers to your queries. You keep saying you're confused and I think if you watched the trial, it would alleviate some of your confusion.
MOO
Have to watch the trials, otherwise. IMO
 
She left hours before the Lexus arrived at the Sally port, she couldn't have seen B &H in there spending time with the vehicle, like the defense wanted to insinuate, IMO. The defense never once challenged Officer Dever about it. It stands as an impossibility that she was there when the Lexus was brought in. She was mistaken, as humans can be, and when she realized it she reported it. AJMO
Agree. The defense didn't dispute that Dever stayed at the police station after her double shift ended at 3:45. They did not present evidence she did. It's well-documented that the Lexus arrived at the Canton PD about 5:30 or so.

The evidence in front of the jury is Dever's recollection to federal agents a year and a half after the incident was mistaken. Ironically, it was information from the defense that made her realize her memory was not accurate. She informed the federal agents her statement a year and a half after the Jan 29 shift was inaccurate.

She told the defense team she could not have seen it, too. Dever even emailed the federal agents after the phone call from the defense attorneys. She testified they pressured her to repeat the false memory and was concerned an attorney brought up perjury. The federal agents assured her perjury did not apply to a mistaken memory. Jackson asked if Dever had a "report" from the agency. She said no. A witness does not have access to FBI internal documents. Jackson did not ask Dever to produce the emails that would document she felt the defense pressured and threatened her to repeat the false memory.

Calling Dever was bad strategy from the defense, in my opinion. It didn't advance their case because the defense agrees that the Lexus arrived hours after her double shift ended and there is no evidence that contradicts her statement that she was not there then.
 
Please tell me on what planet does a police officer make false allegations to the FBI incriminating her department, her department can prove she is lying and she isn’t fired, suspended without pay, something..?

What other police department is going to hire her and risk exposing their own officers to someone who does things like that? Especially one with very close ties to the case she lied about?

OTOH, if she is telling the truth, therefore it can’t be disproven, and her recanting the whole thing is the only way to salvage the mess she made. What might happen in that case?
did the FBI subpoena her or did she go to them?
 
Agree. The defense didn't dispute that Dever stayed at the police station after her double shift ended at 3:45. They did not present evidence she did. It's well-documented that the Lexus arrived at the Canton PD about 5:30 or so.

The evidence in front of the jury is Dever's recollection to federal agents a year and a half after the incident was mistaken. Ironically, it was information from the defense that made her realize her memory was not accurate. She informed the federal agents her statement a year and a half after the Jan 29 shift was inaccurate.

She told the defense team she could not have seen it, too. Dever even emailed the federal agents after the phone call from the defense attorneys. She testified they pressured her to repeat the false memory and was concerned an attorney brought up perjury. The federal agents assured her perjury did not apply to a mistaken memory. Jackson asked if Dever had a "report" from the agency. She said no. A witness does not have access to FBI internal documents. Jackson did not ask Dever to produce the emails that would document she felt the defense pressured and threatened her to repeat the false memory.

Calling Dever was bad strategy from the defense, in my opinion. It didn't advance their case because the defense agrees that the Lexus arrived hours after her double shift ended and there is no evidence that contradicts her statement that she was not there then.
Changing her testimony was bad strategy for dever. JMOO
 
An ineffective mob lawyer at that. His guy still got convicted of 19 murders. JMO
There was no getting Whitey off those charges to be fair.
Hank was just there to muddy the waters with a lots of talk about FBI involvement - which there was plenty -Whitey was an FBI informer for years about rivals etc and John Connolly of the fbi was his handler. Brennan I think argued that Whiitey had immunity from John to murder 😈
John ended up in jail too

 
Agree. The defense didn't dispute that Dever stayed at the police station after her double shift ended at 3:45. They did not present evidence she did. It's well-documented that the Lexus arrived at the Canton PD about 5:30 or so.

The evidence in front of the jury is Dever's recollection to federal agents a year and a half after the incident was mistaken. Ironically, it was information from the defense that made her realize her memory was not accurate. She informed the federal agents her statement a year and a half after the Jan 29 shift was inaccurate.

She told the defense team she could not have seen it, too. Dever even emailed the federal agents after the phone call from the defense attorneys. She testified they pressured her to repeat the false memory and was concerned an attorney brought up perjury. The federal agents assured her perjury did not apply to a mistaken memory. Jackson asked if Dever had a "report" from the agency. She said no. A witness does not have access to FBI internal documents. Jackson did not ask Dever to produce the emails that would document she felt the defense pressured and threatened her to repeat the false memory.

Calling Dever was bad strategy from the defense, in my opinion. It didn't advance their case because the defense agrees that the Lexus arrived hours after her double shift ended and there is no evidence that contradicts her statement that she was not there then.
I don't think there is a single juror who thinks Dever is telling the truth.

IMO
 
Wolfe showed exactly why Dr. Welcher did not use dummy in his tests. No one knows exactly where John O’Keefe was actually standing at the time of the hit/side swipe.

However, imo, the parts showing the sudden shatter of taillight pieces helped the CW’s case. The dummy arm thingy, not so much. Is the jury to believe that because of ARCCA's testing the microscopic taillight pieces found in John’s clothes were planted... Not possible to plant evidence seen only by a microscope. Interesting that Wolfe left out the back door dent, scratches and marks on the SUV. Additionally, the taillight shatters, but clothing doesnt get any tears, by (shifting to reverse, and accelerating up to 24 mph) 6,000 lb vehicle impact, in the cold ... common sense.

My own opinion.
 
The biggest thing that was clear to me with Wolfe's testimony... the inside of the tail light was never broken to the extent that it was on Karen's SUV. Why? How does that damage occur if it was not from the impact?

They didn't even go into the damage that JOK's body must have sustained if this happened, but we can all see the test dummy.

If you have not been able to watch, please go back and watch. The still photo's are no substitute for the videos that they showed IMO
 
I don't think there is a single juror who thinks Dever is telling the truth.

IMO
OH of course not unless they have never observed or left their house for their whole lives, to simply 'read' obvious and glaring comments and behavior in this. Can't miss it, so cringeworthy and now who would ever want to be connected with her as hiring her in the first place in Canton times. Oh.. right. IMO
 
They don't say that. They say she was reversing at 23 mph before the impact, and there is no way of knowing how fast she was going at the moment of impact, it could have happened at a different speed after that 5 second window of data stored in the black box.
BBM
And that's exactly the point. There is no way of knowing how fast she was allegedly going.🙄

Welcher said: "We don’t know exactly how he was struck." 🙄

Welcher continued his testimony that he did not know “exactly” the angle of O’Keefe’s arm. 🙄
 
As is watching the trial(s) from start to finish, which you've stated you have not done unfortunately, which would IMO give you the best answers to your queries. You keep saying you're confused and I think if you watched the trial, it would alleviate some of your confusion.
MOO

Of course, I actually came to see the science/ math portions while I’m hobbling with my knee and got wrapped up into the whole story.
So cool to see the ARCCA tests, it gives people a better look at how physics can be used in life. I got behind- rewound and watched several sections repeatedly.

It would make sense that a forensic biomechanics expert would follow- to show what the damage to the arm/ body would look like. I can’t miss that!

IMO
 
Wolfe showed exactly why Dr. Welcher did not use dummy in his tests. No one knows exactly where John O’Keefe was actually standing at the time of the hit/side swipe.

However, imo, the parts showing the sudden shatter of taillight pieces helped the CW’s case. The dummy arm thingy, not so much. Is the jury to believe that because of ARCCA's testing the microscopic taillight pieces found in John’s clothes were planted... Not possible to plant evidence seen only by a microscope. Interesting that Wolfe left out the back door dent, scratches and marks on the SUV. Additionally, the taillight shatters, but clothing doesnt get any tears, by (shifting to reverse, and accelerating up to 24 mph) 6,000 lb vehicle impact, in the cold ... common sense.

My own opinion.
Proctor had clothes for 1 1/2 months. Could have easily been planted. Punchers were from Chloe's teeth....so common sense.
 
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