MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

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  • #21
Interesting points about the judge. Maybe I’ve been drinking too much defence KoolAde. I’ll keep an open mind. I still think she was too soft on Brennan. Wittingly or not, he damaged an important defence witness (who dealt with it well but likewise didn’t question the holes) & her softball instruction to the jury was less than the defence might reasonably have expected to repair it.

Yes - I don't disagree that they might have got a tougher instruction - they probably would have got it had they not grandstanded for a dismissal yet again and instead argued for a stipulated instruction. As you said in your original post - one can rail at the judge all day long but some stuff they bring on themselves.

IMO
 
  • #22
Yes - I don't disagree that they might have got a tougher instruction - they probably would have got it had they not grandstanded for a dismissal yet again and instead argued for a stipulated instruction. As you said in your original post - one can rail at the judge all day long but some stuff they bring on themselves.

IMO

It's not grandstanding. It's called defending their client.
 
  • #23
It's interesting now the strategic shape of the trial is becoming clearer, we can make some guesses about what has been going on behind the scenes.

First up, we know that the pre-trial drop of the Lexus user data from the infotainment module was a significant factor in reshaping the defence case in a different direction to trial 1. The defence was no longer able to contest that key cycle 1162 commenced at Waterfall. So Alessi & DiSogra came up with a game of seconds. The issue with 1162 is it proves a large part of the actus reus and mens rea of the case i.e. an intentional act (high speed reverse) than an objective person knows is dangerous and creates risk of death.

By calculating various clock variance of some 20-30 seconds different to the CW numbers - Alessi might manage to establish just enough doubt as to the strongest part of the CW case. Combined with the ARCCA "trump card" you have a pathway to NG.

So I understand the Alessi gambit, especially since realistically, "Hos long" was dead in the water pre-trial. Especially since you can claim to be the 'data side' in the face of the disastrous Karen videos. But it was of course highly risky to double down on a few seconds of proximity, let alone run by a guy without any murder trial experience.

Then IMO, things went wrong.

First Brennan himself reshaped the trial, by slimming down and not calling the parade of partygoers. This addressed Lally's unforced error where he enabled the defence to develop the conspiratorial narrative one witness after the next. Ditto as Proctor was now fired, Brennan could simply not call him, and the defence get a less good version of the trial. No Proctor, no deep dive into the party goers, and no 3rd party suspects.

Not calling Proctor was the first sign the defence were bottling it when it came to backing up AJs big talk IMO. Now of course there are very good tactical reasons not to be baited into calling him - but it hardly matched the rhetoric of opening.

The chaotic line up of witnesses that followed was baffling but now I think we can see why.

ARCCA ought to have opened the defence case. You want to open with a bang and set the narrative. Instead the narrative became Karen driving 24mph in reverse in extremely close temporal proximity to John's last iPhone interaction. And add in Alessi's panic from 14th May when he realised DiSogra had done a less than great job on the clock variance calculations.

But now we can see why this was. ARCCA was not what they wanted, and they couldn't really fix it though they ran up to the wire in delivering the powerpoints. A critical plank of the D case was John's supposed lack of injuries to his body and the supposed 'fact' that an arm could not break the tail light. ARCCA wrecked both those talking points, and additionally demonstrated how the tiny pieces of plastic would end up in John's shirt.

I do wonder if Brennan baited the defence on ARCCA pre-trial. It would have been so much better if ARCCA never did any more testing, and could have simply delivered their original independent work. The defence could have hired other reconstructionists last year, and simply not called them in this eventuality - burying the videos.

And there is a whole other question about whether an actual 'slip and fall' theory would have been better than the vast conspiracy sold in opening. If the jury really came knowing nothing, it's hard to see how the triple conspiracy needing at least Higgins as the killer, Jen and Kerry as conspiratorial area mums, plus fully half a dozen officers to fit Karen up can really land.

I have no idea what the jury will do of course. They are a black box. Nor do I care overly what they decide.

But I think we can say this is hardly the version of the trial the defence was hoping to get.

MOO
 
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  • #24
Jackson has 'grave concerns' about the CW's shifting of the burden of proof.

He is mentioning Russell being cross examined about Dr. Laposata, the questioning lasted for about 5 minutes or so.
 
  • #25
Jackson has 'grave concerns' about the CW's shifting of the burden of proof.

He is mentioning Russell being cross examined about Dr. Laposata, the questioning lasted for about 5 minutes or so.
And the Judge won't let him read it into the record. ARRRGGGGHHHH!
 
  • #26
As for what the defense is doing.. who they are and are not calling for witnesses... I think it is simple. They spoke with jurors from the 1st trial, had one on their team in the beginning of the trial. They are not trying to muddy the waters with too much info. They have what they needed from the CW witnesses, or the lack of the CW calling witnesses too.

In no world should they have to call the lead investigator in the case, that is the CW's job to do if he is reliable and trustworthy, in this case, he is not.
 
  • #27
And the Judge won't let him read it into the record. ARRRGGGGHHHH!
So annoying, he wants to do it for the record.

He is arguing that so many questions to Russell about it, the inference could be that it was not in favour of the defense and that is why they are not asking.
 
  • #28
Jackson: The CW got to have it both ways... they got to ask Russell about Dr. Laposata, and they got to ask the court to exclude the same info they already questioned Dr. Russell about.
 
  • #29
Jackson: The CW got to have it both ways... they got to ask Russell about Dr. Laposata, and they got to ask the court to exclude the same info they already questioned Dr. Russell about.
They are right. I agree with Jackson here. The jury is going to think laposata doesn’t agree the arm wounds are dog bites.
 
  • #30
Jackson is now going through all the classes Laposata taught... seminars, etc.
 
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Jackson just pointed out that she taught ER classes (I think he said nurses?)... so she may not have worked in an ER, she just trained the ones that do (my words lol)
 
  • #33
AJ on fire today and telling the Judge how he really feels. The Judge would be remiss to not listen to him. She cut that voire dire short yesterday for Dr Laposada.
She is being backed into a corner on this one
Here come shady Brennan -
JMO
 
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AJ on fire today and telling the Judge how he really feels. The Judge would be remiss to not listen to him. She cut that voire dire short yesterday for Dr Laposada.
She is being backed into a corner on this one
Here come shady Brennan -
JMO
It's feisty in there today lol
 
  • #36
Brennan said he didn't ask questions of Russell specifically and Russell just gave that info...

Jackson now reading the actual questions to Dr. Russell. Saying it was all by design. Suggesting that Dr. Laposata didn't agree with her, then 3 days later filed a motion to not allow Dr. Laposata.

Judge will be back in 10 minutes
 
  • #37
Seems Brennan just can't stop lying
 
  • #38
Seriously... IMO .. Brennan is the slimy defense attorney that everyone wants if they are charged with murder. IMO

I think most of us expect more from a Prosecutor. JMO
 
  • #39
It's feisty in there today lol
It definitely is! Jackson is not letting the Judge shut him down when he's trying to say something. I think he's truly letting her know today that they are not going to just "shut up" because she wants them to. They want it on the court record.
 
  • #40
The judge going to the bat cave to call Morrissey.
Dr Laposada is more than qualified to opine on dog bites
And she erred in limiting the voir dire to 5 mins each
And yes hank opened the door in his cross of Dr Russell
Her pattern is to deny the D
So we shall see - I think this motion should be granted
JMO
 
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