MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[missy1974]

No evidence of it whatsoever. <<< Rentschler about a car hitting his arm.

No bruising, no anything. No indication of ANY amount of bruising anywhere on the arm.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

how do we know these marks didn't happen prior to the incident? How do we know those aren't from a fight that happened in the car. how do we know? how do we know those aren't from keys or fingernails?

Maybe they did but that's not what the CW witnesses have testified to. They claimed it was from him being "hit by a car"

 

[KSwizzle]

No broken bones, no bruising, JoK was NOT hit by a car, why are we here? moo

 

[minazoe]

for all I know KR fought with Jon, smashed Jon over the head, drove him over there and dumped him out the back of her Lexus and sped off. just saying. mOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

how do we know these marks didn't happen prior to the incident? How do we know those aren't from a fight that happened in the car. how do we know? how do we know those aren't from keys or fingernails

IMO, you’re making the defense’s point. “How do we know?’: that’s reasonable doubt. If you can imagine a dozen possible explanations for those marks (fingernails, keys, a prior fight) then how can the Commonwealth claim with certainty that they came from a Lexus tail light? At the end of the day, if there are so many possibilities, then there isn’t EBARD. MOO

 

[Greenestdays]

Hi everyone! I’ve been following these trials intermittently so apologies if this is a well-covered topic, but were any of the reversing tests done in similar conditions and with an identical set of tyres? Has it been proven that the vehicle actually travelled the claimed distance at the claimed speed? Has wheelspin been discounted as a possible cause for the readings?

 

[missy1974]

Not all of her posts.. but some...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932805377915318280

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932807779682754981

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932810160927617347

https://x.com/SueNBCBoston/status/1932812607695819220

 

[ShadyLady]

They need to have something at the bottom of the contract that reads "Not all experts may be designated as experts. In fact, most of our experts are no longer designated as such THANKS TO SHANON BURGESS".
IMO.

There might be some civil cases coming, but not against Karen....BUT against Aperture!

This has destroyed any civil case against Karen!

 

[missy1974]

Hi everyone! I’ve been following these trials intermittently so apologies if this is a well-covered topic, but were any of the reversing tests done in similar conditions and with an identical set of tyres? Has it been proven that the vehicle actually travelled the claimed distance at the claimed speed? Has wheelspin been discounted as a possible cause for the readings?

Tests done with similar exemplar vehicles... no idea if same tires, not in the same weather conditions.

the claimed speed .... according to the CW.. the data shows at the end of the captured "event" the car was still accelorating and going 23mph, no braking. Wheel spin during the 10 second event that the CW claims is when he was hit, was between the forward and reverse of the vehicle and is accounted for and is not the speed reading at the beginning or ending of the event. Hope that helps!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932815515971420344

 

[HarmonyE.]

how do we know these marks didn't happen prior to the incident? How do we know those aren't from a fight that happened in the car. how do we know? how do we know those aren't from keys or fingernails?

Keys and nails?

No. That's not possible. Fantasies aren't helpful here.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

my point is she could be even more of a murderer than we know because we can't even prove 100 percent that he was hit by a car. looks like everyone is poo pooing the vehicular evidence .

common sense says he was hit by Karen. mOO

Actually, this witness just testified that SCIENCE says he wasn't hit by a car. <modsnip: unnecessary> JMO

 

[missy1974]

Jackson getting Rentschler to point out... that Welcher used the same 50th percentile dummy

 

[themonk]

The tail light pieces upon fracture would be moving the same speed as the arm. There’s no way the broken tail light could ‘out-accelerate’ John’s arm to create abrasions.

How can people still think the tail light caused the abrasions?

I will never understand

 

[BUF]

So Welcher used the same size dummy as they did.

Brennan sure made issues of this with the defense witnesses….not exact size and weight of JOK, but appears to be acceptable to use.

 

[waldojabba]

for all I know KR fought with Jon, smashed Jon over the head, drove him over there and dumped him out the back of her Lexus and sped off. just saying. mOO

For all we know by following the evidence - since the beginning and through trial 1 and now trial 2 there has been no evidence or even a suggestion that there was ever any physical violence on John's part towards Karen. There was also not any evidence or a suggestion that there was any type of physical violence on Karen's part towards John.

jmo

 

[missy1974]

common sense says he was hit by Karen. mOO

Science may say differently. JMO

 

[Angelwatch]

my point is she could be even more of a murderer than we know because we can't even prove 100 percent that he was hit by a car. looks like everyone is poo pooing the vehicular evidence .

common sense says he was hit by Karen. mOO

Common sense? Three highly educated and experienced medical examiners have stated he wasn’t hit by a vehicle after examining his body. Are you saying they lack common sense? That’s a wild claim.

 

[nightowl1975]

common sense says he was hit by Karen. mOO

But… math and science say he wasn’t. IMO. And in the opinion of MULTIPLE experts.

 

[HarmonyE.]

common sense says he was hit by Karen. mOO

What you consider "common sense" is in direct contrast to actual science and physics.