MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[KSwizzle]

Judge Cannone is in fine form with interrupting and not letting the defense even present a case, and all they're doing right now is talking about Welcher's "report", I hope I never have to hear about judge Cannone ever again after this, extremely poor behavior by a judge moo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

No measurements at all taken by Welcher doing the blue paint test.

 

[missy1974]

No measurements at all taken by Welcher doing the blue paint test.

Like Rentschler said... he eyeballed it, no scientific method at all.

 

[Wishbone]

I agree if the jury believes there is a reasonable possibility, given all the circumstances, the tail light was broken at 1M, then the CW must fail.

What I am saying is as a practical matter, if the Juror does not believe that to be the case, it is inevitable they must conclude it was broken during the high speed reversing, as no other evidence is before them. Especially the jury should not speculate into existence some other explanation(s) for how it was broken that the defence has not claimed. There really are only two possibilities here, and the defendant knows which version is correct.

I do also agree with you that you can have a version of the trial where the defendant does not advance any positive version, and thus need not establish anything. But given the SERT recovery at 34F which is not contested, the defendant does in fact in this case need the jury to believe to a reasonable possibility both that the tail light was originally broken at 1M AND that pieces were subsequently staged to 34F. Especially because the defendant said this on video.



IMO

Vallier repeatedly said the items were “recovered from Fairview Road.”

Vallier said several plastic pieces found on the lawn “fit together mechanically” during a physical match analysis, while other items did not match.

Crime lab analysts testify on DNA evidence on John O’Keefe’s clothes, pieces of taillight found at scene - The Boston Globe

On Friday, Prosecutor Adam Lally called Andre Porto and Ash Vallier, analysts at the State Police crime lab, to the stand. Here's how the day unfolded.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[nightowl1975]

There is video of it broken while Karen was still in possession of it.

Stating this as fact doesn’t make it so. JMO.

 

[waldojabba]

I'm curious, if you were a juror, how you would react to the witness taking the time to wave to and wish his son a "Happy Birthday" while on the stand of a murder trial.

1) Commend him for being a great father?

2) Be disgusted by the fact he's doing so in the middle of a murder trial where the defendant's future is at stake?

I'll go first

#2 for me

We did not get to hear what he wanted to share - and maybe he promised his son he would do that - so yes he's a Dad away from home on his son's birthday. I have absolutley no problem with it.

He can be a Dad and and an Expert - the roles are not mutually exclusive. There has been so much distraction and noise from other testimony on the stand. I recall the P using a witness that talked about cheese burgers /chicken sandwiches and a pizza - .

There is so much that is consequential to be outraged about this trial that I try not to get hung up on the trivialities.
JMO

 

[missy1974]

first photo is from autopsy... other photos, he moved them to represent how Welcher had his arm in the paint test video.




blue lines show the direction... do not line up according to Rentschler.

 

[missy1974]

The kinematics do not work for the arm coming into contact with the tail light, horizontal lines and vertical lines.

 

[Angelwatch]

first photo is from autopsy... other photos, he moved them to represent how Welcher had his arm in the paint test video.

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blue lines show the direction... do not line up according to Rentschler.

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I am so glad the defense presented this in a clear way. Welcher made it seem like they were the same direction and it was obvious they weren’t.

 

[missy1974]

Rentschler says.. look at the arm.. look at the elbow... the car wouldn't contact the elbow. In order to get the pattern on the arm... the surrogate throws his elbow into the arm .. he plays the video slowly, it shows Welcher moving his elbow into the blue paint tail light.

(I am not talented enough to grab a video of the video he showed quick haha )

Is that proper scientific testing? objection.. sustained.

 

[mrjitty]

Stating this as fact doesn’t make it so. JMO.

The defendant herself says it was broken in the 5am hour and she picked pieces out and dropped them on the driveway later in the 5am hour. This damage was later shown on the cruiser video in the 8am hour.

As such it is common cause it was broken - either at 12.32am (CW), or at 5am (KR).

MOO

 

[missy1974]

Basically.. Rentschler is saying what most of us thought about the blue paint test.

It was a terrible.

All JMO

 

[nightowl1975]

So the number of holes in the sweatshirt do not match the number of abrasions to John’s arm.

Also, it was not possible to line up 36 abrasions with the damage to the tail light. There were not 36 points on the tai light that could be aligned to John’s arm wounds.

I’m curious how the KR read is guilty crew will reconcile this info.

 

[Angelwatch]

Rentschler says.. look at the arm.. look at the elbow... the car wouldn't contact the elbow. In order to get the pattern on the arm... the surrogate throws his elbow into the arm .. he plays the video slowly, it shows Welcher moving his elbow into the blue paint tail light.

(I am not talented enough to grab a video of the video he showed quick haha )

Is that proper scientific testing? objection.. sustained.




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It was pretty clear he moved into the car during the painting.

 

[missy1974]

It was pretty clear he moved into the car during the painting.

it was! and the slowed down video, makes it even more clear to the jury.

 

[waldojabba]

Hard to understand why he cannot opine totally on this Welcher report - That's what he is here for.

Dr R is not saying anything that we all did not already see.

The video shows that Welcher stands there and then jams his arm into the tail light. The whole thing was ludicrous when I saw it initally - and seems even more ridiculous seeing it again.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Ren

I’m curious how the KR read is guilty crew will reconcile this info.

‘well you see, the other 27 shards went into the 9 holes in the sweatshirt and then scratched his arm’

 

[missy1974]

performed impact tests to show kinematics, the motion of the arm.

If the arm hit the tail light, caused abrasions, and show how the arm would move.

No peer review, so need to do testing to see if or how the arm would move.

They use the 50th percentile arm/dummies for vehicle testing. Giving example of air bag testing in a steering wheel.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Basically.. Rentschler is saying what most of us thought about the blue paint test.

It was a terrible.

All JMO

Too bad that the taxpayers there can't get a refund.imo

 

[mrjitty]

I'm curious, if you were a juror, how you would react to the witness taking the time to wave to and wish his son a "Happy Birthday" while on the stand of a murder trial.

1) Commend him for being a great father?

2) Be disgusted by the fact he's doing so in the middle of a murder trial where the defendant's future is at stake?

I'll go first

#2 for me

Bizarre.