MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[Seattle1]

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[Seattle1]

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[lohrtabitha]

AR gives birthday (who does that during a murder trial) wishes to his kid. Did he think about the grieving mother who tragically lost her son is sitting in the courtroom.

-- Both ARCCA witnesses gifted the CW.

-- It’s rather interesting that the defense expert (EL & AR) witnesses apparently wanted to get their own direct point of views across, rather than state their professional opinion. Very salty biased behavior.

-- Never seen so many defense expert witnesses willing to lie under oath/compromise reputation.
-- Dancing around simple questions asked by Attorney Brennan. Couldn’t answer simple questions. Vague.

Until he wanted the jury to hear:
"I dont think he got hit by the car, sir." - RA

jmo

Too Too funny! Jmo

 

[jepop]

In his new Lexus!

Hahahaha he's gone AWOL with the test vehicle and some tins of blue paint.

 

[geevee]

When HB asked Dr. Rentschler about just 'using common sense', I wish he'd shot back at him that an SUV driving backwards at 24 mph and hitting someone in the arm would cause grave bodily injuries, no testing required to common sense that out.

One other thought, JBC mentioning to the jury 'just a short one, jury' every time AJ needed a sidebar due to HB's inappropriate questions/comments was really hitting below the belt, trying to give the jury the impression that it was only the defense making this trial go on and on, instead of the CW witnesses who refused to answer simple questions under cross, and HB asking the same Q over and over and objections being overruled. She could have prevented much of all this but let HB run her courtroom.

 

[jepop]

When HB asked Dr. Rentschler about just 'using common sense', I wish he'd shot back at him that an SUV driving backwards at 24 mph and hitting someone in the arm would cause grave bodily injuries, no testing required to common sense that out.

One other thought, JBC mentioning to the jury 'just a short one, jury' every time AJ needed a sidebar due to HB's inappropriate questions/comments was really hitting below the belt, trying to give the jury the impression that it was only the defense making this trial go on and on, instead of the CW witnesses who refused to answer simple questions under cross, and HB asking the same Q over and over and objections being overruled. She could have prevented much of all this but let HB run her courtroom.

100%!!

 

[missy1974]

Hahahaha he's gone AWOL with the test vehicle and some tins of blue paint.

I think he was there at the courtroom.. I wonder if he was upset he didn't get to come back ? haha

 

[Odeto BJ]

I think he was there at the courtroom.. I wonder if he was upset he didn't get to come back ? haha

Were both Welcher and Burgess at the courtroom? Any more of the CW witnesses?

 

[Warwick7]

I'll take Tuesday for 47 pieces of plastic and one sticky hair...

LOL

Well just a minute! I need to get the dictionary to look up the word plastic.
LOL

 

[missy1974]

Were both Welcher and Burgess at the courtroom? Any more of the CW witnesses?

No idea about other witnesses, but I thought I read he was there yesterday, waiting. I will have to look and see if I can find any posts from reporters about it

I am pretty sure Brennan made that decision not to call Welcher AFTER that cross examination did not go how he planned on it going. JMO

 

[Odeto BJ]

No idea about other witnesses, but I thought I read he was there yesterday, waiting. I will have to look and see if I can find any posts from reporters about it

I am pretty sure Brennan made that decision not to call Welcher AFTER that cross examination did not go how he planned on it going. JMO

I'm pretty sure Brennan realized either 1) Welcher did not look at X-rays of JOK's right arm or 2) Brennan neglected to make sure Welcher had the images. Either way, Welcher was going to be pretty feeble as a rebuttal to ARRCA overall; and I think Welcher would then be subject to cross. AJ would have left nothing but shredded underwear, especially after reiterating the contrast between +/- $60K and +/- $400K in front of a MA jury.
Burgess could only contradict DiSogra and the issue of that discussion is a matter of a few seconds; though Burgess methods seem to set some type of industry practice precedent...
I think HB found a pretty deep pile to walk his fancy loafers through and figured he could effect more influence on the jury with his closing than he could effect with any rebuttal of the defense experts.
JMO and IANAL

 

[rescuemom]

Hos long do we think the jury will deliberate?

One day - one and a half tops. Monday into Tuesday morning

 

[Odeto BJ]

I think: the most effective portion of the whole defense case is that the internal dividers in the housing of the tail light weren't shattered by even the 29 mph experimental collision whereas the rear end of the Lexus had all kinds of damage.
By contrast, KR's Lexus had dividers that were shattered and formed portion of the found pieces at 34 Fairview; while the remainder of the rear end of the car was basically intact.
So how did those pieces get broken out? Seems to support the theory of tampered evidence.

Granted, a heavier CTD might have effected more damage to the dividers but would also have effected greater damage to the rest of the lights and body skins on the rear of the Lexus. A 29 MPH collision with a heavier CTD would also have rendered it more challenging to end up with a piece of glass resting benignly on the bumper, though that did not become a big issue during this trial.

JMO cause common sense can be misleading.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

At the end of the day, Welcher made, and today continued to make (assuming he was in town today), a ton of money and did the absolute worse job ever. Brennan is also making a ton of money for doing a worse job than Lally. I don’t think either cares about their reputation being in tatters.

Let’s keep an eye on Aperture’s website to see if Welcher and Burgess are still employed after the trial ends.

 

[rescuemom]

I have to believe that some of the replies I’m seeing here are rage bait. Or CW witnesses just trying to salvage what little remains of their dignity and reputations. Bc I cannot even….

I vote for rage bait. It got old real quick. Could see right through it. Nobody could be that obstinate

 

[missy1974]

I think: the most effective portion of the whole defense case is that the internal dividers in the housing of the tail light weren't shattered by even the 29 mph experimental collision whereas the rear end of the Lexus had all kinds of damage.
By contrast, KR's Lexus had dividers that were shattered and formed portion of the found pieces at 34 Fairview; while the remainder of the rear end of the car was basically intact.
So how did those pieces get broken out? Seems to support the theory of tampered evidence.

Granted, a heavier CTD might have effected more damage to the dividers but would also have effected greater damage to the rest of the lights and body skins on the rear of the Lexus. A 29 MPH collision with a heavier CTD would also have rendered it more challenging to end up with a piece of glass resting benignly on the bumper, though that did not become a big issue during this trial.

JMO cause common sense can be misleading.

totally agree about the internal parts and the diffusers of the tail light. I'm sure we will here more in closing. JMO

 

[missy1974]

At the end of the day, Welcher made, and today continued to make (assuming he was in town today), a ton of money and did the absolute worse job ever. Brennan is also making a ton of money for doing a worse job than Lally. I don’t think either cares about their reputation being in tatters.

Let’s keep an eye on Aperture’s website to see if Welcher and Burgess are still employed after the trial ends.

lol I had already planned on checking as soon as the trial is over.

I fully expect Burgess to not be on there when we are done. JMO

 

[Angelwatch]

In his new Lexus!

That’s hilarious.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Brennan is incompetent

Wonder if ‘ineffective counsel’ applies if it is the prosecutor presenting a case? /sarc. IANAL. MOO

 

[rescuemom]

Do you think the jury “got lt” were the last 4 to 5 days of testimony enough? After sitting through the swamp of the CW case.?