MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

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I also don't believe that anything happened on purpose
Except if they failed to report an accident resulting in death, and then tried to frame an innocent person, that would be on purpose, and I would say that's just as bad if not worse than doing something originally on purpose. Very sick people if they did that.
MOO
 
I just do not understand this whatsoever!!! What the heck? CW gets the last word over the defense? Seems so absolutely backwards.

It is likely because the prosecution has the burden of proof therefore they get one last chance to rebut the defense.

Well mzmarymac will be just gobsmacked when she learns that all evidence in this (and every other trial) is viewed "in the light most favorable" to the CW/state. It seems to be of little use to a defendant to be considered 'innocent until proven guilty' when the scales of justice are already weighted in the accuser's favor.
 
Just finished watching today's cross by HB. Wowzers!
Dr Rentschler wasn't falling for any of Brennan's gimmicks. An extremely powerful witness.
I wonder what the O'Keefe family is thinking about all of these highly educated and experienced witnesses who have declared John O'Keefe was absolutely not hit by a car. I saw Peg O'Keefe laughing and smirking during this cross. I have the sense the family will never believe anything other than Karen Read caused this.
MOO
 
Just finished watching today's cross by HB. Wowzers!
Dr Rentschler wasn't falling for any of Brennan's gimmicks. An extremely powerful witness.
I wonder what the O'Keefe family is thinking about all of these highly educated and experienced witnesses who have declared John O'Keefe was absolutely not hit by a car. I saw Peg O'Keefe laughing and smirking during this cross. I have the sense the family will never believe anything other than Karen Read caused this.
MOO
BBM. Absolutely agree. There seems to be such a deep-seated hatred of KR by JOK's mom and brother that I truly doubt they will ever think anyone else but KR caused John's death.
 
There are people that are trying to stop this in Massachusetts in 2022
I just do not understand this whatsoever!!! What the heck? CW gets the last word over the defense? Seems so absolutely backwards.
See an article of someone trying to change that and how prejudice it is to the defendant's right.

masslawyersweekly.com

In criminal trials, defendants deserve rebuttal | Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly

Structural issues in the criminal justice system took decades — if not centuries — to create, and no one magical piece of legislation or court decision will dismantle them. Instead, it will take constant chiseling, from a variety of angles. One such angle lies with the courts. Rule 24 of the...
masslawyersweekly.com
masslawyersweekly.com

One such angle lies with the courts.

Rule 24 of the Massachusetts Rules of Criminal Procedure sets up a process in which prosecutors get the “first and last word” in state criminal trials, presenting the initial opening statement but the second closing argument, with no opportunity for rebuttal from the defense.

Amending Rule 24 to give defendants an opportunity to rebut the prosecution’s closing argument might only marginally reduce the number of convictions that Massachusetts juries hand down. But as Appeals Court Judge Peter J. Rubin noted in his concurrence in the case Commonwealth v. Nova, allowing rebuttal would enhance the confidence of the public — and of individual defendants — in those decisions to convict.
 

Dropping the house pics from 34 Fairview when it was on sale, that Dr L started to talk about yesterday until the panic alarm ⏰ set in with Hank and Bev. They don't want us /the jurors to see the inside of the house....
So lets take another look... anything to make that head wound inside?
(Sorry if these have been posted I am not yet caught up )
IMO
There’s a room with one piece of furniture — what looks to be a marbled top console table. The she if the table could be a ridge. But that doesn’t explain the textured part of the wound Dr. Laposata talked about.

The weights. The bottom of one of the weight “ things” — i think the bench press thing—has metal feet that are kind of shaped like a trestle base and slightly elevated off the floor. So the metal base of that? But that metal would likely be smooth/not textured like galvanized metal.

Just the bar of of one the weights? (Clearly i don’t know weight lifting lingo nor products) but the round metal bar has a kind of rough gripped surface so sweaty hands don’t slip off🤷🏻‍♀️

The diving board is a “ridge” with a textured surface.

I’m thinking they wouldn’t have shown that console in the pic if it was the marbled top console. So I’m going with the concrete or brick steps in the garage, the diving board, or weight bar thing.
 
There are people that are trying to stop this in Massachusetts in 2022

See an article of someone trying to change that and how prejudice it is to the defendant's right.

masslawyersweekly.com

In criminal trials, defendants deserve rebuttal | Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly

Structural issues in the criminal justice system took decades — if not centuries — to create, and no one magical piece of legislation or court decision will dismantle them. Instead, it will take constant chiseling, from a variety of angles. One such angle lies with the courts. Rule 24 of the...
masslawyersweekly.com
masslawyersweekly.com

One such angle lies with the courts.

Rule 24 of the Massachusetts Rules of Criminal Procedure sets up a process in which prosecutors get the “first and last word” in state criminal trials, presenting the initial opening statement but the second closing argument, with no opportunity for rebuttal from the defense.

Amending Rule 24 to give defendants an opportunity to rebut the prosecution’s closing argument might only marginally reduce the number of convictions that Massachusetts juries hand down. But as Appeals Court Judge Peter J. Rubin noted in his concurrence in the case Commonwealth v. Nova, allowing rebuttal would enhance the confidence of the public — and of individual defendants — in those decisions to convict.

I'm barred in four states, none of which is MA, but I'd expected this was the procedure everywhere in the US. I realize it seems ridiculous in this particular circumstance, but to me it is not shocking nor alarming.
 
There’s a room with one piece of furniture — what looks to be a marbled top console table. The she if the table could be a ridge. But that doesn’t explain the textured part of the wound Dr. Laposata talked about.

The weights. The bottom of one of the weight “ things” — i think the bench press thing—has metal feet that are kind of shaped like a trestle base and slightly elevated off the floor. So the metal base of that? But that metal would likely be smooth/not textured like galvanized metal.

Just the bar of of one the weights? (Clearly i don’t know weight lifting lingo nor products) but the round metal bar has a kind of rough gripped surface so sweaty hands don’t slip off🤷🏻‍♀️

The diving board is a “ridge” with a textured surface.

I’m thinking they wouldn’t have shown that console in the pic if it was the marbled top console. So I’m going with the concrete or brick steps in the garage, the diving board, or weight bar thing.
I'd go with steps in the garage haha

This is from a hearing the other day when the defense PI testified about measurements. They also wanted him to testify about the garage... Judge wouldn't allow it.

 
Two guys with PhDs walk into a bar courtroom. One says the car hit him, the other says no way ... defense lawyer says, "If the car didn't hit, you must acquit". The judge says, "Let's have a sidebar".
Problem for prosecution is in this bah...

Two medical doctors said that they cannot confirm he was hit by a car
Two medical doctors say he wasn't hit by a car.
No doctor said he was hit by a car.

One PhD did ghoulish cosplay with paint, and the lawyer who hired him demanded that it wasn't a test of what happened.
The other PhD actually ran tests which gave results that can be evaluated.
 
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Wrong . The " A" in BARD is singular and not plural as it's intended usage.
This!

How can people whether they BELIEVE Karen did it or not think it’s ok to put someone(ANYone, not just Karen) away for for life or the majority of his or her life? they have not PROVEN she did this. PERIOD. We have BARD to protect people who MAY be innocent. We CANNOT put someone away for something we aren’t CERTAIN he or she did. I’d be saying this even if the defendant was a seemingly awful individual, someone with a record of some sort. They would need VIDEO to convince me to charge Guilty BARD.

As much as i think the Albert’s and friends are responsible, if they were on trial and i was a juror, i would have to say not guilty because there’s no hardcore evidence on them EITHER. I don’t think I’d be serving justice if i found them guilty based on the information we have — at this moment. Now, if they’d matched DNA or had ring camera footage of them dragging him out, or pics of blood in the house, then I’d be convinced. But that evidence doesn’t exist because they simply didn’t look for it. It’s terrible!

the fact that there are other POTENTIAL suspects is enough BARD.

We DO. NOT. KNOW.

not directed at you, lorabitha. Just agreeing with you on the BARD allllll over the place.
 
the fact that there are other POTENTIAL suspects is enough BARD.

RSBM

The defence did not discharge it's evidential burden to even raise the alternate suspects let alone that they establish a reasonable doubt. The CW does not have to disprove every speculative theory the defence can come up with.

MOO
 
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