VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[AngTxGal]

You have no idea, respectfully where his phone was. JMc 's phone was found to have made many in row calls to JOK's phone, not to vm, ring, ring, ring, as was said to be used when looking for your OWN phone. Clearly it was found. This was uncovered in the experts phone investigations to her , along with many other texts and calls she denied.. oops JMc. IMO

I did not say I KNEW where JOKs phone was

I assumed those asking the question were wanting a possible answer.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Same same same. And she was the one that made the calls to get people to go with her to find him. They didn't call her. How would they set her up when she is the one that started the search?

The amount of people who would have to be involved in this massive cover up would be huge. I watch interrogations or trials every night. Even with 3 people, 1 always tells.

I agree the size of the suggested conspiracy seems unsustainable, but I believe someone called in a tip is how the Alberts began to be suspected?

The drama motive with BH seems weak to me.

I could see murder if JOK discovered some kind of corruption within Canton LE. The problem is where he was found- why would a group conspiring to get rid of him leave him in the front yard?

Several people are at least guilty of a coverup, but I’m not convinced an attack was intentional.

IMO

 

[Seattle1]

Here's the link from trial #1 with Kristina Rex's tweet with the Verdict Slips as issued by the Court.

It's the Manslaughter-- lesser included charges #3 & #4 on page two of Verdict Slip that the AJ previously requested revised to include a N/G box. We later learned that the hung jury left this form blank because they found it confusing!

In the retrial-- it appears DY renewed the defense request to revise the verdict slip for the lesser included charges and reminded the Court of cases where the form was changed. Of course, Judge Cannone wanted to see a copy before making her decision.

VERDICT WATCH Post in thread 'MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #13'

Jun 26, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805966511250551051

“I don’t really care how it always is in Massachusetts. I care if it’s appropriate. Let me make my argument while it’s not appropriate.” Alan Jackson says. “I’d like an answer from the court, how do they decide she’s not guilty?” (2/4)

“They don’t check the box that says, ‘guilty,’” Judge Cannone says.“That’s not how it should be and it’s over our strong objection,” Jackson says.“It’s immediately appealable…it’s almost like the court is directing” a guilty verdict, Jackson says. (3/4)

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[turaj]

For me, the butt dials were the first thing that made me go ‘hmmm’.

that was important to me too and in addition where the Albert's bedroom is situated and all that action in the front yard and never coming out? Just not realistic. Also the missing dog.

 

[keek]

The goal of this trial again is to convict KR, all involved in high places. SO, let's see. Excellent of course Jackson. IMO

 

[waldojabba]

I agree the size of the suggested conspiracy seems unsustainable, but I believe someone called in a tip is how the Alberts began to be suspected?

The drama motive with BH seems weak to me.

I could see murder if JOK discovered some kind of corruption within Canton LE. The problem is where he was found- why would a group conspiring to get rid of him leave him in the front yard?

Several people are at least guilty of a coverup, but I’m not convinced an attack was intentional.

IMO

An ex cop turned PI who worked with Brian Albert for years was told there was a fight at the house and he called Yanetti. He was on the defense's witness list

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

"So is Scanlon, a private investigator who told authorities he reached out to defense attorney David Yannetti in early 2022 to suggest O’Keefe had died after a beating, not a vehicle collision. "
JMO

 

[themonk]

I see nothing other than deliberate, whimsical pigheadedness and a desire to not concede out of a perverse contrariness.

RSBM

YES 1000%

Shame on this court.

History will not be kind.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

I asked this question in a post yesterday, but it was during testimony, and the thread was moving quickly. So it went unanswered, which is understandable. I'm more or less copying it from my earlier post:

I think early in this trial it was testified, perhaps by the cell phone data witness, that KR tried to call her parents at least three times in the hours after she returned to John's house. Has it been testified as to why a 40ish year old woman would call her elderly parents in the wee hours of the night after returning home very drunk after she dropped her boyfriend off at a friend's house? Was she very troubled about something? Maybe she kept thinking, "Did I hit him? I think I may have hit him! Should I go back to see if I hit him? Let me call daddy, he'll tell me what to do!"? Does anyone know anything else about these calls? Or have an opinion as to why she would make them? This is a question I keep coming back to when trying to make up my mind about the case.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Only in the vicinity of where his body had been. It wasn't a thorough search of the wider area because they didn't know, at that time, what had happened to him, so they weren't looking for evidence of a car accident.

Wait a second! I thought they DID know what happened because Karen said “I hit him! I hit him! I hit him!” To so many people at the scene. You’d have figured they’d be looking for signs of a vehicle collision. Moo.

 

[waldojabba]

JMO, but I wonder if perhaps that is not already happening with full immunity. For instance BH.
He, although might have been an instigator and feel responsible for getting JOK to the house, he may have been just a witness to the attack.

He didn't hide. He by his own admission left early and videos prove he was at Canton PD abt 1:30am and was there a good part of the night, as seen on videos, although he says he went home from CPD to sleep either on couch or in bed.

He spoke to BA at least once perhaps to update eachother as to what each did after he left 34 Fairview to get the plan in place. He may have even understood or reluctantly agreed to go along with the plan or was threatened with being blamed for the attack. Later he did dispose of his phone but according to testimony there were no known calls that night to anyone else in the family.

Of course he ended up as part of it because he was there. He then returned to 34 Fairview the next morning after the body of JOK was found and after the donut delivery around 7:30am. At abt 11:30am KR reached out to him by text saying John is dead. He didn't respond. He knew something.

IMO, if he caused the final blow to JOK, he would not have been the recipient to the 'blanket of lies' from the family. Those people would not have doubled down for him like we've seen happen here. IMO, the final blow came from someone closer to or part of the family.

He has no deep roots, and no family in Canton. He is not related to everyone else. He's LE but still an outsider. He would be protected by LE circling the wagons for the family, but IMO, the LE doesn't know the entire truth of what really happened. IMO, they were told enough to cover up and frame KR.

Supposedly there has been or still is an investigation of some sort by the FBI. What brought it on initially? What is it about? How far has it gone? Is it over? Is there more than one??

Obviously the FBI employed AARCA for a reason. Then handed results to both the CW and the Defense to IMO show the CW that they were on the wrong track in charging KR and obviously the FBI thought someone else was responsible for the death of JOK. The CW didn't use the results and the rest is history. Who is not afraid of the FBI???

Was the investigation paused until this verdict was reached? Has the Defense been in contact with the FBI?? Is this verdict just part of a bigger investigation that overlaps? Think of how many people it might implicate who in turn would implicate even those higher up?

IF anyone is vulnerable, IMO it is BH. This might not be true but I've heard more than once that BH allegedly entered into rehab at some point after T1. IF he was witness to the attack and participated in the cover up he has culpability. IMO, IF he entered rehab, he might have found he can't stay quiet with what he knows or saw.

IF KR is found Not Guilty and barring any jury tampering, I think she will be but I don't see anyone cooperating without full immunity. Even the family.

AJMO and ramblings on the Eve of the Closings.

I see it this way
Because Higgins has no family/ All of LE is his family
And Chief Berkowitz was his bestie maybe even a father figure
I think he would eat his gun before turning on his "family"
I believe - if he did enter rehab-
Remember he spoke to LE at his lawyer's office on the south shore a few days after incident - it was on advice of the same lawyer in order to save his job. Easy peasy - claim addiction ( which the guy was/is a mess so believable), which is considered a disease and he would not be able to be fired for his actions -whatever those actions were.
JMO

 

[Anniesflowers]

I'm not sure why they wouldn't be. According to some, she said I hit him, I hit him, I hit him to the EMT's and Officers on the scene...

Unless she didn't. Or they were just completely imcompetent and didn't relay the info to the officers doing the searching.

Just posted this! I should have waited to read the whole thread before posting!

 

[nightowl1975]

that was important to me too and in addition where the Albert's bedroom is situated and all that action in the front yard and never coming out? Just not realistic. Also the missing dog.

JM not going to the front door/into the house of her SISTER to check on her when there’s a dead police officer on her sister’s lawn is just absolutely inexplicable to me. Her sister’s husband is a police officer himself, I believe part of the gang unit. There’s absolutely zero chance I wouldn’t have knocked that front door DOWN to get to my sister and make sure she was ok. Yet, Jen wasn’t the slightest bit concerned for her sister’s safety. Sis wasn’t answering her phone. Lights off. A bunch of commotion on the lawn, yet nothing? And it never once crossed Jen’s mind to check on her sister? Nope. Not remotely believable.

 

[missy1974]

Ok, so why would they not be thinking “possible car accident” as you suggested above if it’s true that KR was running around hollering she hit him on repeat?

Saying "I hit him" meant she was running around saying she hit him with her car.... but wait... no, it doesn't... she never said car...

It reminds me of the CW throughout this case... cherry picking, theory changing, it's a reconstruction of how the car hit him, oh wait, never said that... it happened at this time, nope, this time... no wait, how about this time...

Still does not explain WHY YB called the ME early that morning and said he was at a party and he may have been in an altercation. Who told him that? Who told the ER staff that? (it was mentioned in the ME's testimony too from an ER report - striken from the record but not my mind lol)

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

I asked this question in a post yesterday, but it was during testimony, and the thread was moving quickly. So it went unanswered, which is understandable. I'm more or less copying it from my earlier post:

I think early in this trial it was testified, perhaps by the cell phone data witness, that KR tried to call her parents at least three times in the hours after she returned to John's house. Has it been testified as to why a 40ish year old woman would call her elderly parents in the wee hours of the night after returning home very drunk after she dropped her boyfriend off at a friend's house? Was she very troubled about something? Maybe she kept thinking, "Did I hit him? I think I may have hit him! Should I go back to see if I hit him? Let me call daddy, he'll tell me what to do!"? Does anyone know anything else about these calls? Or have an opinion as to why she would make them? This is a question I keep coming back to when trying to make up my mind about the case.

I am not sure if you can search this forum but it has been talked about many times.

I can only say my opinion. Many of Karens age 30/40's are a generation tied in to their parents - even besties with them. My god daughter runs a large corporation checks in with her Mom sometimes 10x a day. All hours if she is upset about something at work or a fight with husband etc. I even get the calls.

My nephew 30 ish - his parents are divorcing - when he's been out drinking too much my phone rings way after midnight and yes I always answer it - .

Me - back when I was that age - would I call my parents drunk and upset - it would probably never happen.

If you have watched the trials and have seen Karen in the court, you will see the realtionship she has with her parents - they are her rock. And maybe vice versa. They also probably helped he thru all her surgeries and health issues and that may have strengthened that bond.

That night she was drunk and upset with John not coming back out to the car like he said he would. She wanted to talk. I think she was worn out by the whole relationship actually and feeling used, abused and thrown away. Way too much alcohol and dysfunction in that relationship.

Just my take - its not weird at all

IMO

 

[missy1974]

Here's the link from trial #1 with Kristina Rex's tweet with the Verdict Slips as issued by the Court.

It's the Manslaughter-- lesser included charges #3 & #4 on page two of Verdict Slip that the AJ previously requested revised to include a N/G box. We later learned that the hung jury left this form blank because they found it confusing!

In the retrial-- it appears DY renewed the defense request to revise the verdict slip for the lesser included charges and reminded the Court of cases where the form was changed. Of course, Judge Cannone wanted to see a copy before making her decision.

VERDICT WATCH Post in thread 'MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #13'

Jun 26, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805966511250551051

“I don’t really care how it always is in Massachusetts. I care if it’s appropriate. Let me make my argument while it’s not appropriate.” Alan Jackson says. “I’d like an answer from the court, how do they decide she’s not guilty?” (2/4)

“They don’t check the box that says, ‘guilty,’” Judge Cannone says.“That’s not how it should be and it’s over our strong objection,” Jackson says.“It’s immediately appealable…it’s almost like the court is directing” a guilty verdict, Jackson says. (3/4)

“Excuse me, is this funny, Ms...

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Thank you for finding that! I remember this now!

 

[missy1974]

An ex cop turned PI who worked with Brian Albert for years was told there was a fight at the house and he called Yanetti. He was on the defense's witness list

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

"So is Scanlon, a private investigator who told authorities he reached out to defense attorney David Yannetti in early 2022 to suggest O’Keefe had died after a beating, not a vehicle collision. "
JMO

was this in addition to the annonymous tip? or was this the tip that Yanetti got days after it happened?

 

[missy1974]

I see it this way
Because Higgins has no family/ All of LE is his family
And Chief Berkowitz was his bestie maybe even a father figure
I think he would eat his gun before turning on his "family"
I believe - if he did enter rehab-
Remember he spoke to LE at his lawyer's office on the south shore a few days after incident - it was on advice of the same lawyer in order to save his job. Easy peasy - claim addiction ( which the guy was/is a mess so believable), which is considered a disease and he would not be able to be fired for his actions -whatever those actions were.
JMO

Funny how KR reaching out to a DUI lawyer is considered by some to make her look guilty, but BH doing that is not?

Not that I don't agree with it, because I think that we should never speak to the police without a lawyer, guilty or innocent. I blame following so many cases over the years haha LE can do shady stuff.. and your words really can be used against you. JMO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I agree the size of the suggested conspiracy seems unsustainable, but I believe someone called in a tip is how the Alberts began to be suspected?

The drama motive with BH seems weak to me.

I could see murder if JOK discovered some kind of corruption within Canton LE. The problem is where he was found- why would a group conspiring to get rid of him leave him in the front yard?

Several people are at least guilty of a coverup, but I’m not convinced an attack was intentional.

IMO

Well if he died in the house, isn’t it better to leave him in the yard, near the road where they can blame a plow?

 

[missy1974]

I am not sure if you can search this forum but it has been talked about many times.

I can only say my opinion. Many of Karens age 30/40's are a generation tied in to their parents - even besties with them. My god daughter runs a large corporation checks in with her Mom sometimes 10x a day. All hours if she is upset about something at work or a fight with husband etc. I even get the calls.

My nephew 30 ish - his parents are divorcing - when he's been out drinking too much my phone rings way after midnight and yes I always answer it - .

Me - back when I was that age - would I call my parents drunk and upset - it would probably never happen.

If you have watched the trials and have seen Karen in the court, you will see the realtionship she has with her parents - they are her rock. And maybe vice versa. They also probably helped he thru all her surgeries and health issues and that may have strengthened that bond.

That night she was drunk and upset with John not coming back out to the car like he said he would. She wanted to talk. I think she was worn out by the whole relationship actually and feeling used, abused and thrown away. Way too much alcohol and dysfunction in that relationship.

Just my take - its not weird at all

IMO

it's obvious she is close to her parents. Remember when she was texting with BH, she said something along the lines of 'my parents think I would feel differently if they were my sister's kids', so she talked to them about the issues going on and her feelings. Would not surprise me that she called them ticked off about John partying while she was at his house "babysitting"... then calling again in a panic when she woke up and he wasn't home yet and didn't know what to do. She didn't even have JMc's phone number. JMO

 

[Maat99]

I asked this question in a post yesterday, but it was during testimony, and the thread was moving quickly. So it went unanswered, which is understandable. I'm more or less copying it from my earlier post:

I think early in this trial it was testified, perhaps by the cell phone data witness, that KR tried to call her parents at least three times in the hours after she returned to John's house. Has it been testified as to why a 40ish year old woman would call her elderly parents in the wee hours of the night after returning home very drunk after she dropped her boyfriend off at a friend's house? Was she very troubled about something? Maybe she kept thinking, "Did I hit him? I think I may have hit him! Should I go back to see if I hit him? Let me call daddy, he'll tell me what to do!"? Does anyone know anything else about these calls? Or have an opinion as to why she would make them? This is a question I keep coming back to when trying to make up my mind about the case.

One thing that is very clear IMO is that JOK wasn’t hit by a car. His (lack of) injuries prove it. The condition of KRs car proves it. So IMO the topic of her calls is not relevant.
I would much rather know why JM, BA, BH etc.. etc.. were all calling each other, trying to delete phone history and lying about it. What was the topic of all of those calls?