VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[jepop]

It is not a crime to drive in reverse 24 miles per hour is it?

It could have happened on the way back to meadows within .9 of a mile of no. 34. KR makes a wrong turn and backs up. Welcher and Burgess proved nothing. Moo

 

[jepop]

Does anyone know if Jok's phone was smashed and in pieces when found? If it flew out of his hand it sure would've broke.

It was not. It was lying under him.

 

[HarmonyE.]

It was not. It was lying under him.

How, one might ask?

"It just did", said the CW's reconstructionist last trial. Maybe he should have painted an exemplar phone bright blue and tried throwing around it in random directions?

 

[jepop]

How can it be this difficult to prove someone was hit by a car?

Deeply held personal conviction and bias. Moo

 

[HarmonyE.]

She did it at 12:31:38 as per the running clock in the ADR module of the Lexus.

How'd she making it back to One Meadows in 4:22 minutes? A normal 6 or 7 minute drive in ideal conditions. In the dark, in the snow, and not knowing exactly where she was going?

 

[BUF]

Yannetti says he wants a 10-minute warning of a verdict. Judge says they can do that.

Closing arguments in Karen Read murder retrial to begin Friday

 

[wackyw]

How'd she making it back to One Meadows in 4:22 minutes? A normal 6 or 7 minute drive in ideal conditions. In the dark, in the snow, and not knowing exactly where she was going?

More apologies, I don't follow this 24/7 Was the router time at 1M ever challenged ? I'd find it more than unusual it could be "so far out" from true.

 

[cocomod]

No. Apparently, when hit by a 4000 lb SUV, you will be thrown through the air and the only thing that will break will be the skull and a few scratches to one arm. Everything else will be perfectly intact, other than a taillight.

Don't forget the magic glass. As show by ARCCA and physics, the glass would fall behind the vehicle, not fly through the air 10 feet over on to the lawn.

 

[Anniesflowers]

How can it be this difficult to prove someone was hit by a car?

It’s really not, imo. According to multiple polls, postings, videos, etc an overwhelming majority of folks participating are finding her not guilty.

Moo I think the guilty folks have their reasons why they believe she’s guilty, even with all the reasonable doubt.

- some people loathe siding with the majority, so no matter how much exculpatory evidence, they’re just not able to believe it

-some people are outraged by her drunk driving and can’t get past that

-some folks believe she’s toxic, vengeful, abusive, etc., based on her texts and voicemails she left for John, so she had to have done it

-the more exculpatory evidence presented to folks with confirmation bias, the more they tend to dig their heels in

-some people aren’t watching the actual trial and believe information provided by the media

*On some of the social media sites, the vitriol spewed by some folks on the guilty side is truly awful. I’m NOT saying that anyone here has done that. I do want to make that clear. Some of the people who believe she’s guilty are so full of hate and rage towards her, almost as if it’s personal to them. Moo

 

[jepop]

More apologies, I don't follow this 24/7 Was the router time at 1M ever challenged ? I'd find it more than unusual it could be "so far out" from true.

Never challenged and it,'s in evidence.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

For me, the butt dials were the first thing that made me go ‘hmmm’.

Same. And moreso, the butt answers.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Same. And moreso, the butt answers.

Yes… especially the 7 butt dials from Jen to John shortly after midnight, of which 0 went to voicemail.

 

[Anniesflowers]

How'd she making it back to One Meadows in 4:22 minutes? A normal 6 or 7 minute drive in ideal conditions. In the dark, in the snow, and not knowing exactly where she was going?

Thank you! Yes .

 

[Bethlamb16]

It’s really not, imo. According to multiple polls, postings, videos, etc an overwhelming majority of folks participating are finding her not guilty.

Moo I think the guilty folks have their reasons why they believe she’s guilty, even with all the reasonable doubt.

- some people loathe siding with the majority, so no matter how much exculpatory evidence, they’re just not able to believe it

-some people are outraged by her drunk driving and can’t get past that

-some folks believe she’s toxic, vengeful, abusive, etc., based on her texts and voicemails she left for John, so she had to have done it

-the more exculpatory evidence presented to folks with confirmation bias, the more they tend to dig their heels in

-some people aren’t watching the actual trial and believe information provided by the media

*On some of the social media sites, the vitriol spewed by some folks on the guilty side is truly awful. I’m NOT saying that anyone here has done that. I do want to make that clear. Some of the people who believe she’s guilty are so full of hate and rage towards her, almost as if it’s personal to them. Moo

What's so interesting to me is that I think there is a possibility she could be responsible, however, I would 100% vote not guilty due to BARD and the fact that not one person/expert could prove he was even hit by a car. I don't understand how anyone could come away from this trial and not have reasonable doubt. That is the most compelling thing to me is that there is so much doubt. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I voted guilty due to the amount of reasonable doubt. AIMO!

 

[Derph]

How'd she making it back to One Meadows in 4:22 minutes? A normal 6 or 7 minute drive in ideal conditions. In the dark, in the snow, and not knowing exactly where she was going?

One of them there Canton Miracles! So many of them I'm surprised the Vatican hasn't sent the Pope there to bless 34 Fairview himself and declare it a Holy Site.

 

[Wishbone]

She did it at 12:31:38 as per the running clock in the ADR module of the Lexus.

Impossible. No starting location or ending location for the Lexus and jeep in front of the mailbox. JM lying about the location of the Lexus as she stays in lying mode most of the time. MOO

 

[Malleeboy]

One of them there Canton Miracles! So many of them I'm surprised the Vatican hasn't sent the Pope there to bless 34 Fairview himself and declare it a Holy Site.

Along with the magical appearing taillight and glass, police search and find nada but then over months glass keeps appearing out of nowhere like a stigmata or apparition.

 

[Malleeboy]

Don't forget the magic glass. As show by ARCCA and physics, the glass would fall behind the vehicle, not fly through the air 10 feet over on to the lawn.

The phone is the piece that astounds me, must be in his hand, as it is interacted with, but if he is hit it get knocked out of his hand but flies through the air and lands exactly under him.

 

[Tortoise]

Only with the magical appearing taillight and glass, police search and find nada but then over months glass keeps appearing out of nowhere like a stigmata or apparition.

That's to be expected, IMO, with almost two foot of snowfall by the end of the day, and not knowing what was underneath it, or where. They had to wait for it to thaw.

In the Vallow Daybell case, police searched Chad Daybell's property in the winter snow, when they were searching for evidence of a shooting there. The following year they discovered the remains of Tylee and JJ had been buried there all along.

 

[Malleeboy]

The phone is the piece that astounds me, must be in his hand, as it is interacted with, but if he is hit it get knocked out of his hand but flies through the air and lands exactly under him.

Actually, just remembered the fall must be flat backwards for the head injuries.
So, phone in hand, means it is in front of the body. you fall flat back to do the head injury but get the phone under you.

How do you do that?