VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[Leilei]

I saw that. Flag Day. Really? A federal holiday formally established in 1949? THAT Flag Day? Was there a glitch in all of the calendars yesterday when she was telling us "---until 5, 5:30". ????

Why on earth didn't her court clerk or secretary advise her of this yesterday?
Good grief.
IMO.

 

[keek]

Exactly. Retrograde extraction is NOT hard science!!!

I have been SCREAMING that to myself all along.. FORGET THAT PART. Especially when her water drinking friend, Karina said KR seemed FINE. She also walked fine. If I had the number she got, omg.. floor, speaking a mess. She was NOT, obviously. The phone messages are not having to be because she was DRUNK people. When she got back to John's that could of been a different story.. NOT when dropping him off condition, but when she was at John's and so upset and not knowing a thing that was going on as we heard. Rage building, hurt, all of it. IMO

 

[BUF]

Jury dismissed for the weekend, back on Monday

Well gang, see you all back here Monday. Have a good weekend!

 

[keek]

Why on earth didn't her court clerk or secretary advise her of this yesterday?
Good grief.
IMO.

Is there a change due to this.? I really hope not for KR's sake.

 

[Warwick7]

Jury dismissed for the weekend, back on Monday

So much for the judge saying they're going to work till 5:00 or 5:30, regardless of a flag parade, it's all the judge and her antics.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Can someone clarify the result they came up with? If I recall correctly, hopefully not conflating numbers with other numbers, the figure was not "double" as Hank claimed it to be in closing. Legal limit: .08% Double legal: .16%. Why am I remembering thinking "Oh. Thats it?". IMO

What was Karen Read's blood alcohol level on the night John O'Keefe died? Experts testify at trial

The prosecutor in the Karen Read murder trial focused on Read's blood alcohol level the night John O'Keefe died.

www.cbsnews.com

BAC .093 when her boood was drawn. They used BAC retrograde extraction to ‘guesstimate’ her BAC to be minimum 0.135% or a maximum of 0.292%.

Reverse extrapolation of a person’s BAC to the time they were driving relies on lots of assumptions, including that the person was eliminating alcohol at a standard rate of 0.015% per hour. That rate is based on average values for thing like age, sex, liver and kidney function, hydration, metabolism, body fat, and more, but there are factors that can vary widely from person to person. It also assumes the BAC was already declining, which may not have been the case.

MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I have been SCREAMING that to myself all along.. FORGET THAT PART. Especially when her water drinking friend, Karina said KR seemed FINE. She also walked fine. If I had the number she got, omg.. floor, speaking a mess. She was NOT, obviously. The phone messages are not having to be because she was DRUNK people. When she got back to John's that could of been a different story.. NOT when dropping him off condition, but when she was at John's and so upset and not knowing a thing that was going on as we heard. Rage building, hurt, all of it. IMO

Exactly. They had to assume from the drink count, but just because she had a drink in her had - a clear drink - doesn’t mean she drank it all, or that it was alcohol at all.

Idk about Karen, but I often have a coke and lime or soda and lime because I do not do well with alcohol. Everyone thinks I’m drinking, but I am not. The reverse BAC has way too many problems to be absolute proof of how drunk she was.

 

[Leilei]

What was Karen Read's blood alcohol level on the night John O'Keefe died? Experts testify at trial

The prosecutor in the Karen Read murder trial focused on Read's blood alcohol level the night John O'Keefe died.

www.cbsnews.com

BAC .093 when her boood was drawn. They used BAC retrograde extraction to ‘guesstimate’ her BAC to be minimum 0.135% or a maximum of 0.292%.

Reverse extrapolation of a person’s BAC to the time they were driving relies on lots of assumptions, including that the person was eliminating alcohol at a standard rate of 0.015% per hour. That rate is based on average values for thing like age, sex, liver and kidney function, hydration, metabolism, body fat, and more, but there are factors that can vary widely from person to person. It also assumes the BAC was already declining, which may not have been the case.

MOO

I wonder if her MS or Chron's could affect those results?
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I wonder if her MS or Chron's could affect those results?
IMO.

I’m sure it could… especially if she is on meds that could affect her liver. MOO

 

[turaj]

I think BC is leaning towards the 2nd charge...operating under the influence.

ahhh so Seat 1 .... is the foreman...

She moved that juror there a few weeks ago IIRC

why was the juror moved? Then that juror is hand picked by Bev? Put them in seat 1 and that is it.

 

[turaj]

What if juror 1 is a selected alternate?

non doubt #1 is. not in the machine

 

[Leilei]

I’m sure it could… especially if she is on meds that could affect her liver. MOO

So many meds do affect the liver.
I remember having to get monthly blood tests for some of mine years ago.
IMO.

 

[turaj]

especially if she changed the seats a few weeks ago.

JMO

I think the judge in Mass. can pick the foreman...so she picked that juror and moved them to seat 1. 1 is not put in the machine.

 

[Soulmagent]

So many meds do affect the liver.
I remember having to get monthly blood tests for some of mine years ago.
IMO.

So her condition also has a side effect of mal absorption. Crohn's , is not a fun time.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Exactly. They had to assume from the drink count, but just because she had a drink in her had - a clear drink - doesn’t mean she drank it all, or that it was alcohol at all.

Idk about Karen, but I often have a coke and lime or soda and lime because I do not do well with alcohol. Everyone thinks I’m drinking, but I am not. The reverse BAC has way too many problems to be absolute proof of how drunk she was.

Plus, she could have gone home and had a couple of more drinks before bed to push bac level up. I agree there's no proof because it wasn't tested before she went home to John's that night. Imo

 

[Soulmagent]

I Believe those to be dog injuries , so knowing the back was fenced .HE had to go inside the house.
HAD TO HAVE.

 

[Bethlamb16]

Exactly. They had to assume from the drink count, but just because she had a drink in her had - a clear drink - doesn’t mean she drank it all, or that it was alcohol at all.

Idk about Karen, but I often have a coke and lime or soda and lime because I do not do well with alcohol. Everyone thinks I’m drinking, but I am not. The reverse BAC has way too many problems to be absolute proof of how drunk she was.

The reverse BAC is total mumbo jumbo and you wouldn't be able to convict someone of a DUI based on it let alone 2nd degree murder or manslaughter IMO!

 

[less0305]

I feel like it's just as likely to be a wild animal of some sort as a dog. I live in a rural type area and we have bears even trolling around, along with fox, coyote, raccoons. I just am not convinced it was a dog. I can believe it could just as well have been a "wild" animal.

 

[Soulmagent]

I feel like it's just as likely to be a wild animal of some sort as a dog. I live in a rural type area and we have bears even trolling around, along with fox, coyote, raccoons. I just am not convinced it was a dog. I can believe it could just as well have been a "wild" animal.

Like feral wild bore or something?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I feel like it's just as likely to be a wild animal of some sort as a dog. I live in a rural type area and we have bears even trolling around, along with fox, coyote, raccoons. I just am not convinced it was a dog. I can believe it could just as well have been a "wild" animal.

We have a lot of that here but when you look at the totality of the evidence, there was no vehicle strike. His body and the X-rays proved that.