VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[ShadyLady]

Some of these things .. I don't know if we will ever get a good explaination.

Why did Karen drive towards the Waterfall in the early morning hour if she KNEW she had hit him? They have video of her driving that way. Surely she didn't do that because she knew that camera was there?

The plow thing is odd.. BUT.. from locals that post here, it's a thing there. A bunch of cops out drinking.. were they talking about it that night? Did it come up in conversation?

I think she didn't know the address of the Albert's. I think the only person she did "know" in the area was Kerri. Kerri didn't know the others group.

I still have some questions too. And I don't know whether I believe any of them, I think memories in a situation like that, with the alcohol added in, are just not good or easily influenced (look at KRobert's testimony, and she was not drinking until the wee hours of the morning that I know of)

But it is really hard to not believe the experts that say he was not hit by a car and the marks on his arm are from a dog.

JMO

Karen might have continued drinking at John's house. Also I remember Jen testifying that Karen had started on a new medication for MS......and she did not sleep well, so probably her brain was pretty confused when she woke up. imo

MS is nerve disorder...so wonder about the meds. Could they have made her groggy, and had issues with memory when she first woke up in a panic.

 

[rescuemom]

Why on earth didn't her court clerk or secretary advise her of this yesterday?
Good grief.
IMO.

Judge Bev said that the jury had asked to leave. That was at 4:30. Maybe they came to a decision wanted to go home for the weekend and think about it. So they were done for today.

 

[turaj]

I can't wait until she writes a book. I'm buying it. I think she will go to law school and then defend those who are unjustly accused. She's a good person who has suffered too long and for no reason. Imo

probably go to work in Yanetti's office.

 

[missy1974]

Something else.. just thinking about it...

Crohn's ... the MEMORY is horrible!!!!! I used to think it was the meds, but my hubby has been med free for quite a few years now. The memory issue has not improved lol

It makes daily life with my hubby.. not always easy.

MS is not much better for memory issues IIUC, and JMC has MS too. Even mentioned in her testimony that she was groggy when she answered the phone because she had taken her meds.

Many reasons for some of them to not have good memories of what actually happened.

JMO

 

[turaj]

Judge Bev said that the jury had asked to leave. That was at 4:30. Maybe they came to a decision wanted to go home for the weekend and think about it. So they were done for today.

I think after over one month and boxes of exhibits and the instructions of the judge to consider all evidence....and then the complexity of verdict forms no way did they get that far this afternoon, My prediction is Tues. but hoping for Monday as I will be more available to watch this important verdict.

 

[keek]

I think after over one month and boxes of exhibits and the instructions of the judge to consider all evidence....and then the complexity of verdict forms no way did they get that far this afternoon, My prediction is Tues. but hoping for Monday as I will be more available to watch this important verdict.

..and it has to be Monday before 10:45 a.m to be precise, or Tues at 11:20 am.

 

[missy1974]

Karen might have continued drinking at John's house. Also I remember Jen testifying that Karen had started on a new medication for MS......and she did not sleep well, so probably her brain was pretty confused when she woke up. imo

MS is nerve disorder...so wonder about the meds. Could they have made her groggy, and had issues with memory when she first woke up in a panic.

ahhh I was just posting something similar!

You made me go google... the drug I have been on (nerve blocker) for a year now is given to MS patients too, I have been able to wean down to a minimal dose that gives me relief but doesn't give me brainfog. AND omg.. I watched the first trial but it is all a blur because of them drugs LOL

Now I'm curious to know what drugs both KR and JMC were taking at the time. They really do have a major effect on memory.

All JMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Something else.. just thinking about it...

Crohn's ... the MEMORY is horrible!!!!! I used to think it was the meds, but my hubby has been med free for quite a few years now. The memory issue has not improved lol

It makes daily life with my hubby.. not always easy.

MS is not much better for memory issues IIUC, and JMC has MS too. Even mentioned in her testimony that she was groggy when she answered the phone because she had taken her meds.

Many reasons for some of them to not have good memories of what actually happened.

JMO

Yes, exactly. I am amazed that Karen has been able to fight through all her chronic health issues.

She must have great parents.

 

[Soulmagent]

The kids in the truck saw her.
Ryan Nagel.. his gf, and his buddy. (sorry don't know his name lol)

TY , I didnt follow season one,

 

[HarmonyE.]

Judge Bev said that the jury had asked to leave. That was at 4:30. Maybe they came to a decision wanted to go home for the weekend and think about it. So they were done for today.

There was a Flag Day parade coming in Dedham and they probably wanted to get on the road home. Week was long enough already.

Who does a Flag Day parade on a Friday night? Apparently the town of Dedham does.

 

[Soulmagent]

There was a Flag Day parade coming in Dedham and they probably wanted to get on the road home. Week was long enough already.

Who does a Flag Day parade on a Friday night? Apparently the town of Dedham does.

On Friday the 13th?

 

[HarmonyE.]

On Friday the 13th?

Yes. Weird, I know.

https://www.dedham-ma.gov/town-departments/parks-and-recreation/flag-day-parade

 

[ShadyLady]

ahhh I was just posting something similar!

You made me go google... the drug I have been on (nerve blocker) for a year now is given to MS patients too, I have been able to wean down to a minimal dose that gives me relief but doesn't give me brainfog. AND omg.. I watched the first trial but it is all a blur because of them drugs LOL

Now I'm curious to know what drugs both KR and JMC were taking at the time. They really do have a major effect on memory.

All JMO

Gabapentin could be one.

AI: Gabapentin is a prescription medication primarily used to treat partial seizures, nerve pain following shingles, and restless legs syndrome. It works by calming excited nerve cells in the brain and is available in various forms, including tablets and capsules.

They gave it to me for pain, but really fogs your mind. I could not tolerate it.

And probably not the wisest thing to mix drugs with alcohol. But, Karen seem very normal to people that night.

 

[missy1974]

Yes, exactly. I am amazed that Karen has been able to fight through all her chronic health issues.

She must have great parents.

It was Proctor's comments that drew me to this case the first season... so degrading. Many women (and men) have a hard time accepting it when they need to have a colostomy or ilieostomy.

 

[Anniesflowers]

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I listened to both trials. I have a strong opinion, and if I were sitting on the jury, I'd vote guilty of at least leaving the scene of an accident that caused a death. I believe the evidence of the "black box" from the SUV. I believe the health data from John's phone. I believe the temperature of the cell phone. I believe the defendant when she stated in interviews that she drank maybe 5 drinks, that she possibly clipped him, that she may have hit him. I believe the last steps JOK made were the few steps he took after getting out of the SUV. I did not see evidence that he walked to the house, entered the house, took a glass from inside the house, got into a life-ending fight inside the house. I believe her when she said in voice mails that she "F*ing hated" him. I believe the witnesses who testified that said KR said "John's dead" before going to look for him. I believe the witnesses who testified that she said "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. I found them credible. I believe the defense did everything every high-paid defense team is paid to do if the client is guilty, try to confuse the jury - bamboozle them with b***s***. Do I believe in some grand conspiracy that a houseful of people, firefighters, EMS personnel are all in on a cover-up? No. Do I believe there was an officer who said some really crappy things in texts about KR? Yes. Do I believe she intentionally hit JOK with her car to attempt to and succeed in killing JOK? No. But I believe she was culpable in his death. And now that the second trial has concluded, I can say that's my opinion. Not that my opinion means a hill of beans to anyone but me.

Thank you for sharing your reasoning and theory. I really do appreciate you answering. I’m very interested in how/why people can look at the same evidence and come away with wildly different opinions on what happened. It’s quite fascinating to me, actually.

Imo, I live in Massachusetts and it’s been well known that the DA in Norfolk County is corrupt and under FbI investigation. So that definitely made me a bit more suspicious about the CW and their witnesses in this trial. I had ignored most media about the case because I had heard that they had video of her hitting him, so I figured case over. My Mom and one of my sisters watched T1 and would routinely send texts about how crazy it had been getting so, of course, I tuned in. I would say I wasn’t convinced one way or the other until I watched Dr. Wolfe and Dr. R from ARCCA. Like you, I felt the potential collusion/conspiracy between all of those people seemed far-fetched, if not right out of a crazy crime novel. ARCCA’s evidence and impartiality really got me thinking, so I dug in a little more and eventually changed my mind to not guilty.

I thought the defense did a great job. Most of their experts had stellar backgrounds and were able to explain the evidence in a way I could easily understand. I believe Dr. Scordi-Bello when she said John’s body showed no signs of a vehicle strike. I also believed Dr. Russell and Dr, Laposada when they, too, testified about the lack of injuries typically seen in a pedestrian/vehicle collision. Dr. Russell and Dr. Laposada are both highly educated with extensive experience in their fields,

As far as the prosecution, I was bothered by the fact they were unable to prove to me that OJO was ever hit by a vehicle. The only noticeable damage to the back of her Lexus was the smashed tail light. ARCCA proved, through testing, that her tail light did not cause any injuries to OJO. The injuries to his body were inconsistent with the damage to Rescue Randy. The damage to the rear of Karen’s vehicle was insignificant in comparison to the exemplar Lexus. I thought Sgt. Barros’ testimony was the icing on the cake. The tail light damage he saw on the afternoon of 1/29/2022 at the Reads’ home did not match up with the taillight photos he saw after the police towed the vehicle. In addition the video evidence showed me the tail light was mostly intact when it was taken to the Canton salley port. The pictures taken while in police custody show the tail light smashed out. If Karen didn’t smash out her tail light it means someone else did. If I believe my own eyes then that means that someone, almost certainly a LEO, smashed out that tail light and brought it to 34Fairview. It may seem crazy to you, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense to me. Moo.

What do you think about the prosecution hiring aperture for 400k and ARCCA was only 50k? That 400k seems strangely high to me.

 

[keek]

..and it has to be Monday before 10:45 a.m to be precise, or Tues at 11:20 am.

Mind you these are my requirements!

 

[Warwick7]

Be really crazy if she really did leave him at the waterfall ,wouldn't it?
How do we really even know he was even in her car?

BBM
T1 testimony from Ryan Nagel, he told the court that his car group saw her vehicle at the intersection. They let her turn on Fairview first. All three in his car group testified they saw 2 people in that her vehicle. And saw the dome light on as KR's vehicle turned onto Fairfview.

They were seconds behind her.

When they went to leave they pulled around her. They each testified she was alone in the vehicle with the dome light on.

They each testified there was nobody on the ground and her tail lights looked like nothing was wrong with them.

 

[Soulmagent]

haha that is what I take! And thankfully it has worked for me, I know it does not for all.

I herniated a disc last year, completely trapped the nerve. Had surgery and still have to take it for the nerve pain that doesn't want to seem to go away

If either Karen or Jen had been taking it or something similar...and a higher dose, I can completely understand the memory issues and I'm sure you can too.

I don't drink much, so don't know what would happen if I did

I have to say ,it is probably better than drinking a lot and still not knowing what happened.
Great choices.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Until Hank’s closing this morning, I had forgotten that KR called Jen at around 5am on 1/29, in self preservation mode, saying she had left John at the Waterfall. And then she called Kerri, pivoted, and said that John had been hit by a plow and was dead. It really begs the question- hos did she already know that John had been hit by a vehicle and was lying by the side of the road before her 6am trip to 34FV? I think Hank said a lot of dumb things the last few weeks, but he really stitched that together well.

But he was still unable to provide us with any actual evidence that JOK was hit by a vehicle. His body bore no injuries consistent with a vehicle strike, so something else broke that tail light. All of the technical data from the vehicle’s black box can be manipulated abut the injuries to JOK cannot. The data is only as good as the extractor and interpreter.

IMO, The CW alleges that KR backed up 80+ feet into JOK - how could she? Brian Higgins’ Jeep was parked out in front of the Alberts’ with the rear of his vehicle flush with the mailbox.

When he arrived, he said there was also a Jeep with a plow parked at the end of the driveway, in front of the mailbox. He later found out the Jeep belonged to Higgins.Link: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/canton-karen-read-case/karen-read-trial-day-14/3372227/

If she had driven up on the front lawn 80+ feet, she would’ve had to weave all over because the depth of the front lawn was only 35-40 feet. IMO. Someone inside that house would’ve heard or seen something. Moo.

 

[nightowl1975]

That part didn't make a lot of sense to me and was a bit contradictory to me unless I'm not understanding the implication.
I get it that AJ was trying to get across that the diffusers were broken by Proctor. But the thing is, if the diffusers were working before Proctor took possession of the SUV, that means that they wouldn't have broken anyway if a a collision had taken place. The testing to prove no broken diffusers therefore becomes irrelevant wouldn't it?
MOO

I don’t think so. Follow me and tell me what you think…

The diffusers were absolutely NOT broken in the ring footage of her leaving 1 Meadow at 5am bc the tail light lit up. Period. The end.

The diffusers WERE broken when all was said and done.

Sooooo…. How did they break? It certainly wasn’t from hitting JO.

The fact that ARCCA also wasn’t able to replicate the diffusers being broken in any of their trials also lends credibility to the idea that they were NOT broken by hitting JO.