VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

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Anybody finding a man on their family's lawn, having called the sister around 05:00 AM with no answer, and again called twice just after 06:00 AM and still no answer, would have been panicked that something had also happened to the people inside the house. It's human nature to think the worst when confronted with a dead body on the lawn where he had been invited. She'd have no idea he didn't go into the house after they had left. A normal person would have rushed into that home to make sure everyone was okay. She had enough time to do that before Kerry asked her for help while she didn't want to dirty her princess hands so she chose to stay on her phone the entire time Kerry and Karen were trying to save John's life. JMc testified she knew JOK didn't go into the home, and she knew her family was okay. She even testified she went into their room slowly because she didn't want them to think "something bad had happened". It doesn't reconcile to how a human brain processes such a shocking scene. She couldn't possibly have known her family was okay in that circumstance.
MOO

Yes, all completely rational human behavior. Karen R showed it most of all and really only. Otherwise is only fitting a scenario to fit a personal narrative. Time will be getting them. IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Jackson's ridiculous (IMO) point, which was what I posted about, was that she would have thought they were all dead.

Jen made a decision, in the face of a traumatic life or death situation, and being asked to take over, to spend every second available trying to save John's life. Any CPR is better than no CPR.

MOO

People react differently in a crisis, and I don’t know the background of Jen, Kelly, or really Karen.
But they got baby blankets out of the house to try to warm him up, I’ve also read the Karen tried to use her body to warm him up.
Do I think JMcCabe thought her sister and the family in the home were all dead? No

Maybe they nearness to the road made them clearly think it looked like a hit by car or snow plow accident?
Maybe the sight of blood hinted to him that he was hurt more than just cold?

I cannot fault any of them for their actions- all three had to be traumatized by the fact that it is a dead cold body in the elements of someone they know.

I’m not sure what I would have done, or if I would act in a way that others would judge as lacking.

IMO

 

[cocomod]

You are right she knew that her sister and family was okay because she knew JOK was killed in that house. This group is covering for someone and we all probably know who. I hope that in their drunk celebrations to come, someone will slip up and the truth will be revealed. It's hard to take lies in this big of a group to the grave. Jmo

Exactly!!

 

[lohrtabitha]

I really think AllieMc will break someday. She is deep into what went down. Guilt is a powerful thing. IMO

Yes to this!!! She probably wants to tell the truth, but the family chief Brian Albert has silenced her and all the others involved. Remember, BA was there at JMc house when she and Kerry gave their statements to MP. Why was he there? We know why! Come on Allie, the truth will set you free girl! Moo

 

[ShadyLady]

RSBM

This is key!! I can’t believe you can’t see how incredibly scary it should have been to Jen to find a dead “man” (suppose to be her friend) on her sister’s lawn. Could her sister and husband be hurt too?? NOONE knew what happened to John; and her family isn’t answering the phone with all the commotion outside of their home?? Any sane person would be worried about their family possibly also being

People react differently in a crisis, and I don’t know the background of Jen, Kelly, or really Karen.
But they got baby blankets out of the house to try to warm him up, I’ve also read the Karen tried to use her body to warm him up.
Do I think JMcCabe thought her sister and the family in the home were all dead? No

Maybe they nearness to the road made them clearly think it looked like a hit by car or snow plow accident?
Maybe the sight of blood hinted to him that he was hurt more than just cold?

I cannot fault any of them for their actions- all three had to be traumatized by the fact that it is a dead cold body in the elements of someone they know.

I’m not sure what I would have done, or if I would act in a way that others would judge as lacking.

IMO

Blankets were from Keri's car. Jen never approached the house, till after John had been picked up. But, she did spend a lot of time talking with the officers that arrived.

She told officers her sister and brother in law were "sleeping", so I guess that was an excuse not to "bother" them.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Jen knew John never went into the house because Matt told her?

Matt had to tell Jennifer a lot of things apparently:

• that they saw Karen's SUV at 34 Fairview
• that she should not have lied to the FBI about making 2 phone calls when she made 5.
• that the guy never went into the house

Apparently Jenn can't think for herself.
MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

People react differently in a crisis, and I don’t know the background of Jen, Kelly, or really Karen.
But they got baby blankets out of the house to try to warm him up, I’ve also read the Karen tried to use her body to warm him up.
Do I think JMcCabe thought her sister and the family in the home were all dead? No

Maybe they nearness to the road made them clearly think it looked like a hit by car or snow plow accident?
Maybe the sight of blood hinted to him that he was hurt more than just cold?

I cannot fault any of them for their actions- all three had to be traumatized by the fact that it is a dead cold body in the elements of someone they know.

I’m not sure what I would have done, or if I would act in a way that others would judge as lacking.

IMO

Why this is true for some, why didnt Brian Albert and his wife come out to help? I will answer that; because they knew John Okeefe was dead and nothing could be done. Imo

 

[ShadyLady]

Why this is true for some, why didnt Brian Albert and his wife come out to help? I will answer that; because they knew John Okeefe was dead and nothing could be done. Imo

And if John had lived he would have disclosed what really happened!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Technically Ricky D'Antuouno's car, but that name is impossible to spell.

I think they wanted to discredit the three people in that car. I imagine their version of events was seen as potentially very damning and favorable to Read. Three people who all say they were directly behind Read's car and, although they had a clear view into the Lexus thanks to the light, they didn't see John inside it. And he wasn't on the ground. Ergo, he must have run in the direction of the house just before they arrived.

Not to mention, why would Karen, who was otherwise driving normally according to these witnesses, decide to murder John right in front of the people in the car she knew was coming up behind her?

Put Higgins' Jeep in the way and it makes it appear they were all mistaken/lying. Problem is, they had nothing to fear or lie about. And like Lucky, Ryan was friendly with the Alberts, which, IMO, gives him even more credibility.

Yes, I thought Ryan Nagel was very credible. His drunken sister from last trial, no, but him, yes.

 

[cocomod]

Wow, what bs. So now we got BH in the garage w/dog. Such bs. So many falsehoods by Jackson.
He's confusing the jurors. So I guess by lying it doesnt matter, anything to free the client. jmo

Jackson didn’t lie. He didn’t say that is what happened, he inferred it could have happened. Without an investigation by LE, it will never be known. What he did is what a defense is supposed to do. He showed that there are other explanations then the one that the CW tried to awkwardly shove a square peg into a round hole. His closing was spot on for the defense. He showed that the defense experts and even the CW experts have testified that John’s body showed no signs of a vehicle strike. The fact that the CW cannot prove he was hit by a car is at the heart of the matter.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Yes, the jeep is part of the mystery.

For some reason when they all got together later in the morning of the 29th, they came up with a story. I wonder what that story was. One part is that they all insisted BH parked on the street. Seems odd because I don't think he would have parked there knowing a plow would be coming on a snowy night. And there were three rows of driveway parking. BA would have told him to park there.

And Lucky said Alberts have plenty of parking, that he never previously saw cars parked in the street.

Why lie about such a dumb thing? Did they forget Ryan's car pulled up behind Karen?

They’ve tried really hard to lie about a number of things but they didn’t think far ahead enough to realize that the lies would get jumbled up.

 

[AngTxGal]

Blankets were from Keri's car. Jen never approached the house, till after John had been picked up. But, she did spend a lot of time talking with the officers that arrived.

She told officers her sister and brother in law were "sleeping", so I guess that was an excuse not to "bother" them.

Yes I know, the blankets came from Keri’s car, I didn’t imply any of them went into the house.

If it looked like a person near the side of a road due to a collision with a car or snow plow- you wouldn’t go in the house. Especially if KR was suggesting she had hit him, or that he was dead and hit by a snow plow.

It didn’t look like a gun shot wound, or mass murder, he wasn’t near the door of the home. Why would anyone assume those in the house were in danger?

I’m not saying I know- I’m saying there are explanations for their behavior that don’t have to be conspiracy to murder, coverup, plant a body in a cops yard, and frame KR.

There is clear Reasonable Doubt-

I’d like to know what actually happened, it is still quite possible to me that she could have backed up and bumped him.
Am I saying his arm busted her tail light? No. JOK could have thrown his glass at the taillight.

What kind of arguments did KR and JOK have with each other? KRs voicemails are screaming, vile, accusatory, and seem well beyond him not texting he back for 8 min if he went into the house. She is the one that was texting another guy- maybe she was afraid she was about to get caught? So she was losing it? They sound quite unhinged

IMO

 

[GreenEyes727]

Shady Lady, the claim that the defense had some sort of burden to present and prove who did this if not KR is spectacularly wrong, and in fact explicitly contrary to MA law.

The defense CAN BE allowed to suggest a specific alternate killer(s), but only by permission that must be granted in advance of trial. They did so in T1, but decided against that choice in T2.

As a result, they can (and clearly did, of course) show that KR is Not Guilty of the alleged crime, and they can even show evidence pointing to someone else having done it, but they cannot (and did not, of course) argue who that was. They left that to the cw to figure out, as it's their job to investigate and find the real killer, not the def's.

I think it was a great decision, frankly, as T2 was more focused on showing the clear truth that KR could not have hit him, since the evidence of JOK body and KR vehicle clearly showed that vehicle could not have hit him. Simple truth to convey.

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I really think AllieMc will break someday. She is deep into what went down. Guilt is a powerful thing. IMO

I really wanted them to call her this weekend for that exact reason. Her parents are such horrible people for forcing this huge lie on all of their kids.

 

[waldojabba]

I will say if KR verdict is NG of all charges or even not Brian Higgins should get far away from that state. AFter listening to AJ closing it is clear they put the blame on him. I think a drunken argument that got out of control and some quick coverup. The defense did not have to provide that scenario but it is plausible. I would not want to be anywhere near that guy.

I think they wanted to put the blame on the underage nephew of Brian Albert but no one was allowed to say his name. So they used Higgins instead. They had the jealousy angle.
I don’t see Jen McCabe rallying to protect Higgins.
I do see Higgins and the others - mostly all his relatives - involved to protect the kid who is now in or was in college.
JMO

 

[waldojabba]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

Possible. We will never know unless someone comes clean.
The only thing we know is that John was not struck by Karen’s vehicle.
JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Yes I know, the blankets came from Keri’s car, I didn’t imply any of them went into the house.

If it looked like a person near the side of a road due to a collision with a car or snow plow- you wouldn’t go in the house. Especially if KR was suggesting she had hit him, or that he was dead and hit by a snow plow.

It didn’t look like a gun shot wound, or mass murder, he wasn’t near the door of the home. Why would anyone assume those in the house were in danger?

His body didn't look like it was hit by a car (obviously, because it wasn't). Even Paul O'Keefe thought his brother had been beaten when he saw him in the hospital.

The body was found very close to what she knew were her sister's bedroom windows. Three people were in that house. Nobody in the house stirs, despite the hysteria going on practically under the bedroom windows.

She knew very well that Brian Albert a trained first responder. Doesn't immediately try to get him. Odd.

She then calls her sister twice with no response.

A normal person would have been very worried about their family. Unless, of course, she already knew why John was there and that her family was fine.

 

[jepop]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

It could have happened that way. Put it this way, it's not inconsistent with the medical evidence, unlike the CW's theory which to me is beyond a doubt and to a moral certainty medically and scientifically impossible. Moo

 

[HarmonyE.]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

How and why did he then end up near the flagpole?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Yes I know, the blankets came from Keri’s car, I didn’t imply any of them went into the house.

If it looked like a person near the side of a road due to a collision with a car or snow plow- you wouldn’t go in the house. Especially if KR was suggesting she had hit him, or that he was dead and hit by a snow plow.

It didn’t look like a gun shot wound, or mass murder, he wasn’t near the door of the home. Why would anyone assume those in the house were in danger?

I’m not saying I know- I’m saying there are explanations for their behavior that don’t have to be conspiracy to murder, coverup, plant a body in a cops yard, and frame KR.

There is clear Reasonable Doubt-

I’d like to know what actually happened, it is still quite possible to me that she could have backed up and bumped him.
Am I saying his arm busted her tail light? No. JOK could have thrown his glass at the taillight.

What kind of arguements did they have? KRs voicemails are screaming, vile, accusatory, and seem well beyond him not texting he back for 8 min if he went into the house. She is the one that was texting another guy- maybe she was afraid she was about to get caught? So she was losing it?

IMO

It was on THEIR lawn which is quite different from the side of the road. Even if you didn’t want to wake them up, wouldn’t you wonder if they were ok given that their bedroom window was close to the area where his body lay with a screaming, hysterical woman, with an ambulance, fire truck and police car with their engines running and lights flashing and all the noise from all of them? You wouldn’t be asking yourself why they didn’t wake up and wonder if maybe, just maybe, they too were in trouble?