VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #36 Retrial

[ShadyLady]

After watching the exchange between ChrisA and BH it looked like BH was almost out the door when Chris pulled him back. It was then when BH started waving at John to follow him. And the BH: "are you coming" text. And it was Chris that invited John to Waterfall, yet I did not see Chris spend much time with John. Curious.

And at 34th, BH hid his jeep. Why?

And John ended up where it could look like a plow hit him.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I've never seen a defendant smiling and waving so much while on trial for a major crime

What is wrong with Karen smiling and waving while on trial?

 

[Angelwatch]

Feeling like today is the day the jury comes back not guilty.

They may be having difficulty on the OIU charge. I’d have difficulty voting not guilty on that one. She admitted to having many drinks and there’s video, but a reverse BAC isn’t reliable. It’s a tough one.

 

[missy1974]

Good morning verdict watchers! Not sure if we can read anything into it.. but...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934959260758138966

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Feeling like today is the day the jury comes back not guilty.

They may be having difficulty on the OIU charge. I’d have difficulty voting not guilty on that one. She admitted to having many drinks and there’s video, but a reverse BAC isn’t reliable. It’s a tough one.

The fact that the .08% or over being proven BARD is required to convict on OUI is sticky for me. Since there was no breathalyzer, the estimated BAC is just that, an estimate. But I would happily accept a G on the simple OUI and a NG on everything else, at this point.

 

[turaj]

The fact that the .08% or over being proven BARD is required to convict on OUI is sticky for me. Since there was no breathalyzer, the estimated BAC is just that, an estimate. But I would happily accept a G on the simple OUI and a NG on everything else, at this point.

i think that might be just what we get. I think likely one or more do not want to just do nothing given the night in general and the family staring at them daily. I also think this jury more likely to get a compromise from some in the interest of getting the verdict rendered given this is SECOND TRIAL. This jury knows that.

 

[missy1974]

Apparently the defense asked to add Count 5.. they have had a chance to speak to some of the jurors from the 1st trial, some would have only found her guilty of the OUI, they wanted to give them that option if they felt they really needed to find her guilty of "something".

Bederow talked about this yesterday on a podcast, he doesn't think they should have done that, but ... they did lol

All JMO

 

[turaj]

Apparently the defense asked to add Count 5.. they have had a chance to speak to some of the jurors from the 1st trial, some would have only found her guilty of the OUI, they wanted to give them that option if they felt they really needed to find her guilty of "something".

Bederow talked about this yesterday on a podcast, he doesn't think they should have done that, but ... they did lol

All JMO

saw Bederow last night and love his take on things...very easy to understand. This is the escape valve that defense wanted Count 5 and I think if it is not NG it could be this one. There may well be some that just want to hold her accountable for something that night and this can be the choice. I think it is easy to agree that she did not intend to kill him...I frankly cannot believe that his family really thinks that...they just want her to be held accountable. Conviction on count 5 would be a win for the defense per Bederow.

 

[missy1974]

Her Honor really should have made those forms easier to understand.
IMO.

Yes! I think there is more information in the jury instructions, and they should have a copy of that, so hopefully they can navigate the slip and get it done!

Hoping for today.. after a free lunch? Who doesn't want a free ham sandwich?

 

[themonk]

What is wrong with Karen smiling and waving while on trial?

She should breakdance on the judge's bench if she wants.

This case should NEVER have come to trial.

 

[rescuemom]

Most legal minds offering their opinions believe the jury form is unconstitutional and just like last year confusing. Hopefully this jury will wade through it and ask all of the questions they need answered. Especially to 'how do we say one and all NOT GUILTY'

 

[nodamselindistress]

All I can say is if the jury comes back hung again, the defense will most certainly request to poll the jurors and Judge has to grant that, right?!

 

[Marah]

Some people don't believe in her innocence and even believe she admitted the crime, that she lied numerous times, changed her story after she was arrested and charged. MOO

KR was charged with manslaughter while driving under the influence of liquor and leaving the scene of a collision resulting in death, very appropriate charges for what the CW proved happened, by the evidence presented. AJMO

What are the numerous lies she has told?

 

[Angelwatch]

All I can say is if the jury comes back hung again, the defense will most certainly request to poll the jurors and Bev has to grant that, right?!

What I’m hearing is that if they hang on one of the lesser charges then they hang on all of them according to verdict slip. If jury is polled, does that solve the issue of retrial if they are unanimous on some charges? It’s very confusing.

 

[cocomod]

RSBM

The ME does not know how the vehicle impacted John, so how can she make any determination? She's not an accident reconstructionist, and the only information she has is broken taillight plastic, not crushed-in car bodywork. She doesn't know that his arm measures up exactly to the taillight because she didn't inspect the car or do those measurements. She doesn't know his eyelid is the same height as the wing. She doesn't know if he could be hit at such an angle in a split second that he could be spun away from the car, causing no lower body injuries.

It's the totality of the evidence that the commonwealth has, the car, the scene, the body, the clothing, the DNA, the phone, the defendant, the weather, which proves the collision and the cause of John's injuries and death. Not the ME.

MOO

RSBM

You are correct. The ME nor the CW nor the CW experts know where he was, how he could have been hit, nor where he could have hit his head. There just plain isn’t enough evidence to say he was. Definition of BARD when the defense is able to use a report provided to them from the FBI to say it didn’t happen.

 

[lohrtabitha]

What is wrong with Karen smiling and waving while on trial?

I would be doing the same thing to people/fans who believe in me and love me. It must feel really good to know that so many people have her back. Imo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Count 5:

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I hope the jury knows that if they covict her on the OUI it could amount to jail time assigned at the judge's discretion. That scare me. Karen has suffered enough and has paid her dues on that charge where others at that party, will never pay. Imo

 

[turaj]

All I can say is if the jury comes back hung again, the defense will most certainly request to poll the jurors and Judge has to grant that, right?!

Last night on Bederow he was saying they can come back with unanimous on NG on first count and hung on second count. She could then send them back. This trial should never have even included count 1

 

[Vaderman]

What is wrong with Karen smiling and waving while on trial?

I've come to accept that no matter how a defendant acts in court, people will find a reason to criticize them. There's literally no manner a defendant can conduct themselves that will satisfy people.

Remain blank faced? They're a remorseless monster. Uncontrollable sobbing? Crocodile tears. Heartfelt apology? Never good enough. Smiling? Callous.

Darned if they do, darned if they don't. IMO

 

[turaj]

I hope the jury knows that if they covict her on the OUI it could amount to jail time assigned at the judge's discretion. That scare me. Karen has suffered enough and has paid her dues on that charge where others at that party, will never pay. Imo

i think the judge would be harsh with her but doubt she would ever spend a night in jail.