VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #36 Retrial

[missy1974]

Three questions -
1) Timeframe for OUI charge 12:45 or 5am?
2) Are video clips of KR interviews evidence? How can we consider them?
3) Does convicting guilty on subcharge convict overall charge?

the 1st one... I kinda wondered that too... they could easy find her guilty of driving at 5am with the blood alcohol level IMO

 

[Leilei]

Defense needs a few minutes.
20 minutes.
Did someone just say "woo!"?
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Stupid verdict slip. Of course they have questions on the sub charges with the overall charge.

Surprising no one except Judge Cannone, apparently.

I think they’re arguing on whether or not to convict on OUI, and that’s it.

 

[missy1974]

Stupid verdict slip. Of course they have questions on the sub charges with the overall charge.

this sound really good for KR if they are wondering if Charge 5 means she is guilty of anything above it.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

You think the fan base gathering outside the courthouse, bullhorns, signs, chanting, every day while the jury is hearing the the case and especially now when the jurors are deliberating, is ethical? I surely don't, JMO

Why not? Then they can have the police remove anyone standing out there. They won't though because we have this little thing called the First Amendment in this country. IMO

 

[jepop]

These questions are positive for Ng on all charges involving hitting JO. They may do what the defense offers as a way out and Ng on the Oui only. They want to make sure they are not convicting for Manslaughter if they tick the lesser OUI. Jmo

I think the jury understand there is no case BARD JO was ever struck by a vehicle and they believe the defense's experts. I feel they are close.

 

[turaj]

going down exactly as expected. Drunk at what time? Should we take her words about drinking as evidence? Clearly confused and wanting to go with count 5 but uncertain if it implies manslaughter. It is clear they are close and think it will be 5.

 

[Angelwatch]

You think the fan base gathering outside the courthouse, bullhorns, signs, chanting, every day while the jury is hearing the the case and especially now when the jurors are deliberating, is ethical? I surely don't, JMO

It’s absolutely ethical. Our right to gather and protest is protected speech. Absolutely! Are you from the US? You can’t block one’s right to gather and protest because you don’t like the message. They are abiding by the buffer zone.

 

[missy1974]

Surprising no one except Judge Cannone, apparently.

I think they’re arguing on whether or not to convict on OUI, and that’s it.

That would be my thought too... the only reason to be concerned that it means she is guilty on the other charges if they find her guilty on that would be if they don't think she is guilty of 1 2 3 4 ... IMO

 

[Bethlamb16]

That would be my thought too... the only reason to be concerned that it means she is guilty on the other charges if they find her guilty on that would be if they don't think she is guilty of 1 2 3 4 ... IMO

I still think she should be NG on all charges but if they do just find her guilty of DWI then it is a win for her and after all she has been through she will be able to move on with her life.

 

[missy1974]

going down exactly as expected. Drunk at what time? Should we take her words about drinking as evidence? Clearly confused and wanting to go with count 5 but uncertain if it implies manslaughter. It is clear they are close and think it will be 5.

Which also makes me believe that not all of them are convinced she was drunk at 12:45am ish

 

[missy1974]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934989230448521702

 

[Angelwatch]

Surprising no one except Judge Cannone, apparently.

I think they’re arguing on whether or not to convict on OUI, and that’s it.

The defense tried hard to get Cannone to recognize the verdict slip read the exact way the jury is asking the question. They want to make sure she’s not guilty of manslaughter if they possibly vote guilty on OIU. IMO.

 

[mzmarymac]

FYI - OUI in Massachusetts for First Time Offense can be up to 2.5 years in jail. I would imagine Bev would get the call on that.

In Massachusetts, penalties for OUI (Operating Under the Influence, also known as DUI) vary based on prior convictions and can include fines, jail time, license suspension, and mandatory programs. For a first offense, penalties can range from fines of $500 to $5,000, up to 2.5 years in jail, a one-year license suspension, and a mandatory alcohol education program. Second and subsequent offenses carry steeper penalties, including longer jail sentences, license suspensions, and higher fines.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
First Offense:

• Fines: $500 to $5,000.
• Jail Time: Up to 2.5 years in jail, though this is uncommon for first-time offenders.
• • License Suspension: One year.
  • Mandatory Programs: Completion of a 24D alcohol education course.
  • Possible Probation: Up to two years.
    

https://www.findlaw.com/state/massachusetts-law/massachusetts-oui-laws.html

 

[Amber29]

Wow I’m not surprised at these questions. That verdict form was a huge issue. Sounds like only thing they are talking about is driving while intoxicated. Which imo shouldn’t have even been a charge by itself as an option.

 

[Wishbone]

You think the fan base gathering outside the courthouse, bullhorns, signs, chanting, every day while the jury is hearing the the case and especially now when the jurors are deliberating, is ethical? I surely don't, JMO

Do you have a link for the fan base outside with bullhorns today? I haven't seen that. JMOO

 

[TDoc72]

Since I mistakenly didn’t realize she was charged with a simple OUI, I can’t even remember what was testified to in this trial about her actual drinking. Was it just this “reverse BAC” and the vid clips?

 

[sapphire blue]

Hurry up with a NG verdict.

 

[Bethlamb16]

Wow I’m not surprised at these questions. That verdict form was a huge issue. Sounds like only thing they are talking about is driving while intoxicated. Which imo shouldn’t have even been a charge by itself as an option.

The whole thing with the verdict slip is so annoying. BC could have and should have remedied this issue especially in light of prior issues in 1st trial.

 

[nodamselindistress]

The defense tried hard to get Cannone to recognize the verdict slip read the exact way the jury is asking the question. They want to make sure she’s not guilty of manslaughter if they possibly vote guilty on OIU. IMO.

Exactly! Putting NG and G boxes by each separate charge was obviously less confusing but Judge/CW wants it confusing