NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

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  • #661
I can't imagine how those jurors feel now that they have a chance to research Trial #1 and all the information related to this case! They must know they made the correct decision and be mighty proud of themselves. It will take them time to process the extent of their involvement in this historical trial! They will be talked about as a jury for decades and in law books, university classes, and so on. It's pretty cool !
I think they will be mad too because some people did not testify in this trial. They needed to listen to Collin, Allie , BA, MP, BH and any others I'm missing
Fine with me , I never would want to be in his world .
It might even look like he don't want to be in his own world either.
AMEN! BA is a super scary person. He is strong arming that entire family. You can see it in the interview. They all look at him when they are speaking. Ring Leader.
 
  • #662
seriously I just finished the Karen Read documentary on Max and I’m shocked at how much these middle-aged people drink and party. I’m 43 and can’t even imagine the hangovers. How do they have time for all that? They all gave me serious swinger vibes, just MOO.
I personally believe more than just alcohol was involved moooo
 
  • #663
Watching that interview with Alessi & Yannetti now, and honestly I want them to adopt me LOL I respect these 2 men more than anything! Absolute ROLE MODELS
American Hero's .
 
  • #664
I personally believe more than just alcohol was involved moooo
Up all night after the Waterfall and continued. Watched BA when he came to sit and intimidate at the first trial, then I saw familiar facial behavior of a person that was pointed out to me for a reason, one in the know. BA exact same. No surprise whatsoever though. Just waiting and hope for not long. IMO
 
  • #665
The dog.
They were already in some issues with "the dog" . IMO.
I am an unemployed cat lady.
I run around chasing kittens and screaming 'KAREN" all day.
But loving my place in the world .
So FWIW ay?
Here in Texas, you can go to prison if your dog kills someone, especially if the dog has a history of biting people. So if the dog in any way caused JO to fall backwards, I can see the panic of BA. Combine that with I personally believe CA threw a punch that started the dog in on JO in the first place, and BA had multiple reasons to want this whole thing to go away. IMO.
 
  • #666
I think they will be mad too because some people did not testify in this trial. They needed to listen to Collin, Allie , BA, MP, BH and any others I'm missing

AMEN! BA is a super scary person. He is strong arming that entire family. You can see it in the interview. They all look at him when they are speaking. Ring Leader.
like lightening and the thunder.
I just wouldnt have it.
 
  • #667
The FBI initiated a federal investigation into law enforcement after O’Keefe’s death, but special prosecutor Hank Brennen announced in court during Read’s second trial that it was closed without any charges being filed.

Defense attorney Alan Jackson, however, said in an interview Thursday with a local radio program, the Howie Carr Show, he still has questions about that investigation.

“I’ve never heard of an investigative agency announcing to the target that the investigation is closed. That has never happened,” he told Carr. “So, I still have questions about that.”

Jackson said he thinks there is “plenty of evidence for them to investigate, and I think they should.”
The whole FBI situation seems even weirder after HB said it was closed without any charges. Was it closed or just paused during the trials and HB said that to make it seem like no big deal?

Seems there's plenty for the FBI to look at in this case with the biggest thing being how exactly did the 47 shards of tail light end up at the scene AFTER it was shown the tail light was intact after they alleged she hit him and before it was in police custody. That is just a giant red flag that something isn't right in this case along with the multitude of other lies
 
  • #668
I think they will be mad too because some people did not testify in this trial. They needed to listen to Collin, Allie , BA, MP, BH and any others I'm missing

AMEN! BA is a super scary person. He is strong arming that entire family. You can see it in the interview. They all look at him when they are speaking. Ring Leader.
Just said this myself on another site. Chances are none of them will ever talk because they are all scared of him. As long as that continues, the truth will never be known
 
  • #669
I think Higgins and BA dragged John's body out to the front of the lawn sometime around the 3am mark. After Lucky did his rounds. I believe Higgins was talking to BA when he was at the Sallyport making the plan. The 2:45 butt dials were not but dials. It was come ever.
Allessi stated in the Runkle interview that “There was no collision” and that there is evidence that JOK was not injured at the site he was found at. They were not allowed to present the evidence regarding this. No surprise.
 
  • #670
Just said this myself on another site. Chances are none of them will ever talk because they are all scared of him. As long as that continues, the truth will never be known

The defense had several witnesses on the list this time (and I think last time) that they didn't call but who were prepared to testify about BA's tendancy to beat up other cops who displeased him.

I'd imagine few want to cross him. Least of all his wife and kids.
 
  • #671
Allessi stated in the Runkle interview that “There was no collision” and that there is evidence that JOK was not injured at the site he was found at. They were not allowed to present the evidence regarding this. No surprise.

I so much wanted to hear a lot more about that!
 
  • #672
The defense had several witnesses on the list this time (and I think last time) that they didn't call but who were prepared to testify about BA's tendancy to beat up other cops who displeased him.

I'd imagine few want to cross him. Least of all his wife and kids.
I hadn't heard about that. I've seen some stuff about that tendency and it's just another question mark in a long line of them that points away from him being hit
 
  • #673
The whole FBI situation seems even weirder after HB said it was closed without any charges. Was it closed or just paused during the trials and HB said that to make it seem like no big deal?

Seems there's plenty for the FBI to look at in this case with the biggest thing being how exactly did the 47 shards of tail light end up at the scene AFTER it was shown the tail light was intact after they alleged she hit him and before it was in police custody. That is just a giant red flag that something isn't right in this case along with the multitude of other lies

The FBI doesn't make a habit of telling anyone what they are or aren't working on. Hank said the investigation was closed but the only official I can find confirming this is Helena Rafferty, Canton Police chief who announced her early retirement shortly thereafter.

I'd given up hope on the Birchmore case and figured the cop who murdered her in Canton the year before John O'Keefe was killed would get away with it. Again because of an intentionally shoddy Canton and State PD investigation. But the Feds got him, albeit over 3.5 years later.

So I'm not convinced the FBI is actually finished here.
 
  • #674
The defense had several witnesses on the list this time (and I think last time) that they didn't call but who were prepared to testify about BA's tendancy to beat up other cops who displeased him.

I'd imagine few want to cross him. Least of all his wife and kids.

Maybe I should offer up PR services for the lot of them. For a FEE.
 
  • #675
I so much wanted to hear a lot more about that!
I'd guess that a really good investigative reporter will write a book and a lot of this will come out. The fact that the judge kept out so much evidence doesn't mean that the evidence isn't out there to study and write about. People other than the Read legal team know and will talk, off the record.
 
  • #676
I so much wanted to hear a lot more about that!
The defense team was not allowed to present that evidence and there are rules that prevent them from answering certain questions. Also side bar discussions are part of the sealed court records which prevents them from discussing what took place at the side bar. IMO It is fortunate that justice prevailed and Karen Read is free. The truth can set you free, however it is regrettable how difficult it can be to reveal what is true.
 
  • #677
Here in Texas, you can go to prison if your dog kills someone, especially if the dog has a history of biting people. So if the dog in any way caused JO to fall backwards, I can see the panic of BA. Combine that with I personally believe CA threw a punch that started the dog in on JO in the first place, and BA had multiple reasons to want this whole thing to go away. IMO.
I'm right with you nightowl!
 
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Here in Texas, you can go to prison if your dog kills someone, especially if the dog has a history of biting people. So if the dog in any way caused JO to fall backwards, I can see the panic of BA. Combine that with I personally believe CA threw a punch that started the dog in on JO in the first place, and BA had multiple reasons to want this whole thing to go away. IMO.
You would not only not go to prison in MA if your dog accidentally knocked someone down and killed them, there would be no criminal charges whatsoever. It would be a civil liability matter only and would be covered by the owner's homeowners policy.

Brian Albert knows this. So I personally doubt he'd cover up such a death and risk actual criminal charges. My guess is this was a fully human altercation with Chloe jumping into the fray as it was going on.
 
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