NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #39 Retrial

[waldojabba]

Karen Read's legal team launches accusation of conspiracy in court

Karen Read's legal team stood in court on Monday and launched a salvo of allegations against investigators and witnesses involved in her criminal trials.

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Before the court dealt with Read's motion to dismiss, one of her attorneys announced their plan to pursue civil allegations against numerous others. They announced plans to pursue allegations of civil rights violations, civil conspiracy and negligence against the Massachusetts State Police, Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik, Detective Lt. Brian Tully and former Trooper Michael Proctor. Read's team wants to accuse the Canton Police Department of negligence and to further accuse the Alberts, the McCabes and ATF Agent Brian Higgins of civil conspiracy and civil rights violations.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[MerlinFalcon]

What a difference in judges. The judge yesterday wasn’t at all condescending and didn’t have a chip on his shoulder. He really kept things going but he let them all speak.

The O’Keefe’s lawyer already was whiny when talking about John and his niece. And I get that he is there to defend against Karen but after seeing the first two trials, his complaints against her seemed disingenuous. She didn’t kill him and go home to plot her story which involved traumatizing an already fragile girl.

Karen’s lawyer is fabulous! He has such a presence but in a different way from AJ. He speaks firmly and eloquently and that South African accent is the cherry on top.

Karen’s team is going to change this case from defence to offence and it’s barely started. Telling the judge they are suing the cops and the occupants of the house was glorious. Now they all have to pay lawyers and I can just see Jen going to Peggy and persuading her to settle.

I don’t think the O’Keefe’s are going to get any money out of this. They know Karen’s team is going to bring the same experts out and if they’re going to get experts of their own, they’re going to have to pay for it. After watching what happened in trial 2, which expert would go near this only to be ridiculed?

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[MerlinFalcon]

It seems like every defence lawyer is saying the O’Keefes should have waited till after the second trial to decide whether or not to sue Karen.

I am very curious in knowing how payment will be made. If they end up getting nothing and they paid experts to testify, does the law firm eat it or does the family pay? It seems most civil lawyers take cases they perceive to be wins.

 

[geevee]

It seems like every defence lawyer is saying the O’Keefes should have waited till after the second trial to decide whether or not to sue Karen.

I am very curious in knowing how payment will be made. If they end up getting nothing and they paid experts to testify, does the law firm eat it or does the family pay? It seems most civil lawyers take cases they perceive to be wins.

The O'Keefe's could have contingency lawyers (who cover costs/don't charge a fee and take a percentage of the money if they win) but otherwise if their legal team is charging them then the O'Keefe's would have to pay for everything, I believe, and suffer the financial loss if they don't win in court.

 

[HarmonyE.]

It seems like every defence lawyer is saying the O’Keefes should have waited till after the second trial to decide whether or not to sue Karen.

I am very curious in knowing how payment will be made. If they end up getting nothing and they paid experts to testify, does the law firm eat it or does the family pay? It seems most civil lawyers take cases they perceive to be wins.

They couldn't wait to file until after the second trial. The statute of limitations for wrongful death claims is 3 years. JO died in January of 2022 and the second trial ended in June of this year.

The point about expenses is an important one. The science is not in Paul O'Keefe's favor. The Commonwealth with unlimited resources couldn't find experts to counter ARCCA or the dog bite testimony, not to mention that even the medical examiner couldn't conclude JO was hit by a car. Are Paul and his attorneys really going to fork over 10s of thousands of dollars for experts on such a loser of a case? I tend to doubt it.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

They couldn't wait to file until after the second trial. The statute of limitations for wrongful death claims is 3 years. JO died in January of 2022 and the second trial ended in June of this year.

The point about expenses is an important one. The science is not in Paul O'Keefe's favor. The Commonwealth with unlimited resources couldn't find experts to counter ARCCA or the dog bite testimony, not to mention that even the medical examiner couldn't conclude JO was hit by a car. Are Paul and his attorneys really going to fork over 10s of thousands of dollars for experts on such a loser of a case? I tend to doubt it.

Strange that all of these lawyers don’t mention the time limitation.

I wonder if their attorney has had a serious conversation about the possibility of this costing the O’Keefes money if they are paying for experts and lose. It feels like their anger toward Karen may be keeping them from being realistic. Besides that, the people at 34 Fairview really encircled John’s mom from the get go.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Strange that all of these lawyers don’t mention the time limitation.

It is. Only a couple of states have statutes of limitations longer than 3 years for these types of cases and MA isn't one of them.

Here's the MA law that applies. https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIII/TitleII/Chapter229/Section2

 

[geevee]

I just saw a video on YouTube (search "By The Mailbox: The Jeep Controversy..." as I don't know if that channel is approved here) with a theory about Higgin's Jeep and the differing testimony about it. The implication completely eluded me but I am very onboard with the theory, it makes so much sense.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I just saw a video on YouTube (search "By The Mailbox: The Jeep Controversy..." as I don't know if that channel is approved here) with a theory about Higgin's Jeep and the differing testimony about it. The implication completely eluded me but I am very onboard with the theory, it makes so much sense.

I have always thought that Higgins parked his jeep somewhere else and was watching (surveilling) as Karen and John pulled up. I think he may have parked briefly in from the mailbox as he pulled out of the driveway, and then he moved it so it wasn't visible. I wish during the trial he would have been asked pointed questions about his time at that house that night. His testimony about that was vague, such as when he went into the house, when he left, the Irish goodbye and so on.
MOO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I just saw a video on YouTube (search "By The Mailbox: The Jeep Controversy..." as I don't know if that channel is approved here) with a theory about Higgin's Jeep and the differing testimony about it. The implication completely eluded me but I am very onboard with the theory, it makes so much sense.

Ryan Nagel, his friend and his ex came along at the perfect time. All 3 said there was no jeep.