MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

[TTF14]

By the defense…

That doesn't make it automatically false.

JMO MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

So which part of that do you think is a lie? That she made a 3-point turn?

I don’t know.

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[Wishbone]

Proctor is under internal investigation for the handling of this case,
-The appalling handling of evidence,
-the doctored video ,
-the FBI stating that the injuries are inconsistent with being hit by a car, and the car damage is inconsistent with hitting a person (except to see this is closing arguments),
-the bizzare death certificate telling us what he did NOT die of... what the heck?????? He did not drown, he did not get shot, he was not in a plane crash, he did not have a heart attack, he did not die of complications of another condition, A death cert. simply states what he died of (in this case undetermined) never of what he did NOT die of. Very questionable.
-the suspiciously timed destruction of phones as he was 'cutting through the base', cutting through a military base?? the military member submits your visit for approval, once approved your name is put on the list, the gate guards check your id and that your name matches the list, a military base is a secure zone there is no way to cut through it'
The suspicious effort to extract very little info instead of handing over the phone.
It is only fair to question Proctors investigation.
MOO

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The medical examiner who performed an autopsy on Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe ruled the manner of his death “could not be determined,” according to O’Keefe’s death certificate obtained by 25 Investigates.

Manner of death can be classified five different ways on a death certificate, including accident and homicide.

O’Keefe’s body was discovered during a snowstorm outside the Canton home of another Boston police officer named Brian Albert on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2022. An autopsy lists the cause of death as “blunt impact injuries of the head and hypothermia.” The death certificate was last updated in April 2022.

Medical examiners work independently of law enforcement but have access to police reports and other evidence when determining the cause and manner of death. They can also consult with investigators before issuing a ruling.

25 Investigates: Manner of Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe’s death never determined

Manner of death can be classified 5 different ways on a death certificate including accident and homicide.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Linda7NJ]

That doesn't make it automatically false.

JMO MOO

There’s a huge difference between what a defense is allowed to put forth v. What the prosecutor can

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I also love how the car that went 40 miles in a blizzard on a tow truck rolls already dusted clean into a warm garage full of snow on the ground.
Total magic!

And that clinging hair IIRC? MOO

 

[Universecalling]

One would think out of ALL THE PARTICIPANTS accused by KAREN’s defense theory that are part of a vast conspiracy- ONE woulda come up with that - considering how many are law enforcement, firefighters, EMT’s, lab technicians, wives of cops …
Wouldn’t even need a lot - just a little tiny dab

I think we can all agree that no one was planning this out, but rather turned a blind eye.
So no, not all sat down at the round table to conspire and go over their lines <modsnip: Removed personalizing comment>

 

[TTF14]

And that clinging hair IIRC? MOO

A hair that seemed to have moved from one place to another with an (assumed) imperceptible breeze inside the garage bay when the photographer was taking a pic of it. Yet, managed to hang on for dear life on a drive through an outdoor blizzard!

JMO MOO

 

[LaineyJ]

I thought someone posted an article a few days ago that the prosecution will be calling MP to testify. Is that true? I haven’t heard anything further except that if he was called, we may expect him to plead the 5th.

If he is called, I would like to know when that’s gonna be

 

[themonk]

Karen claims she made a 3 point turn
She said she thought she may have unintentionally hit him and in his drunken state passed out.

But we all know KAREN IS A LIAR

Anyone else appear to be a liar in your eyes or just Karen?

 

[shotgun09]

I would like to take the opportunity this am, to raise my cup of coffee in Honor of the "Tiny Desk Man' on the defense team.
This guy probably 6 feet tall or more, has been literally shoved in the back corner, and stuffed under a teeny tiny table which just so happens to resemble the snack tables my parents had in the 1960's. He is a true hero!!!

Carry On !!

MOO

 

[TTF14]

I would like to take the opportunity this am, to raise my cup of coffee in Honor of the "Tiny Desk Man' on the defense team.
This guy probably 6 feet tall or more, has been literally shoved in the back corner, and stuffed under a teeny tiny table which just so happens to resemble the snack tables my parents had in the 1960's. He is a true hero!!!

Carry On !!

MOO

Cheers to TV Tray Man!

 

[Universecalling]

Closing arguments are not to be considered as evidence -

Facts through testimonies are, though. And there are plenty to point opposite of KR. <modsnip: Removed personalizing snark>

 

[Wishbone]

By the defense…

Yes, it was stated by the defense and it appears they are continuing to receive more bits and pieces from that agency. Wait for it. JMOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

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The medical examiner who performed an autopsy on Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe ruled the manner of his death “could not be determined,” according to O’Keefe’s death certificate obtained by 25 Investigates.

Manner of death can be classified five different ways on a death certificate, including accident and homicide.

O’Keefe’s body was discovered during a snowstorm outside the Canton home of another Boston police officer named Brian Albert on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2022. An autopsy lists the cause of death as “blunt impact injuries of the head and hypothermia.” The death certificate was last updated in April 2022.

Medical examiners work independently of law enforcement but have access to police reports and other evidence when determining the cause and manner of death. They can also consult with investigators before issuing a ruling.

25 Investigates: Manner of Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe’s death never determined

Manner of death can be classified 5 different ways on a death certificate including accident and homicide.

www.yahoo.com

I think that’s for the jury to decide -

Did she accidentally & unknowingly hit him?
Did she intentionally hit him and left him to die?

Personally, think she was incredibly intoxicated, maybe accidentally hit him - but KNEW she hit him and left him there.
When he didn’t return home, or answer her calls - she panicked. I think she found him on her first search for him - then started making moves to distance herself from that house and gather her own witnesses so she could “FIND” him and bring up “on top of everything else she hit something” but didn’t bother to look at the damage.
She also tried to blame the snow plow guy.
She knew he was hit.
She didn’t say, I saw him walk into the house and he musta been beaten inside the house.

That’s consciousness of guilt

 

[bobbymkii]

One thing that has occurred to me that I haven't seen discussed (probably because it's not all that important). But is there not one small crumb of comfort that we have a rare example of a spousal homicide case where the defendant is not in any way "victim-blaming" the deceased or his/her family?

Usually in these cases, the defendant has to make horrible allegations against the spouse they are accused of murdering, and it's a hugely unedifying experience for everyone involved.

 

[MyJoey]

Really think we need to wait and see how this plays out in the rest of the trial before making conclusions.
I just believe if anything happened in the house they would have made sure John was dead before putting him outside. They wouldn’t have taken a chance on him being found and surviving. Plus never would they put him in the front yard, that’s just laughable to me.

 

[Universecalling]

The "shread of evidence" is that the only piece of gass that matched one of the pieces of glass found on the bumper was found and submitted by Proctor. There was plenty of testimony about that last week. Maybe you missed that?

Exactly. Tell me you aren’t watching the trial, without telling me you aren’t watching the trial.
Or watching by only following the pundits in the KR is guilty camp.

Funny… I heard one say, and another post, that the glass on the bumper matched the glass on the scene.
Of course this is correct, however they failed to tell their audience that the two pieces of glass among many found on the bumper matched a larger PIECE of glass found by proctor. EITHER- the pieces on the bumper nor the large piece on the scene- match the GLASS CUP ( cocktail glass).

And this is exactly why we have people believing KR is guilty.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think we call all agree that no one was planning this out, but rather turned a blind eye.
So, no not all sat down at the round table to conspire and go over their lines <modsnip: Removed personalizing comment>

They’d all have to be lying though- right?
To protect who? Who would risk EVERYTHING to lie?
Every single person in that house would have had to lie
The first responders would have had to lie
The SRT Team would have had to lie

Everyone except Karen Read - please, she refuses to even admit she was drunk


FACT - People drink too much and bad things happen when they get behind the wheel

 

[TTF14]

Really think we need to wait and see how this plays out in the rest of the trial before making conclusions.
I just believe if anything happened in the house they would have made sure John was dead before putting him outside. They wouldn’t have taken a chance on him being found and surviving. Plus never would they put him in the front yard, that’s just laughable to me.

Unless they were taking advantage of the blizzard and hoping he'd get hit by a plow?

 

[themonk]

That’s consciousness of guilt

RSBM

Is destroying one's phone/SIM card consciousness of guilt?