MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

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As far as I can tell the first plastic pieces of evidence submitted for testing was by officer dicicco which were collected on feb 3. More evidence bags and pieces were collected and submitted after that date by Proctor starting feb 8. What is missing, or I am missing, are the very important pieces we were told collected on jan 29. Where is that evidence, anyone know? ashley vallier testimony was painful to go through but I just didn't see evidence collected jan 29 accounted for. If it wasn't submitted for testing, why not? It will be really interesting if the defense sees this without other evidence refuting it and brings it forth when they present their case. JMOO


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As far as I can tell the first plastic pieces of evidence submitted for testing was by officer dicicco which were collected on feb 3. More evidence bags and pieces were collected and submitted after that date by Proctor starting feb 8. What is missing, or I am missing, are the very important pieces we were told collected on jan 29. Where is that evidence, anyone know? ashley vallier testimony was painful to go through but I just didn't see evidence collected jan 29 accounted for. If it wasn't submitted for testing, why not? It will be really interesting if the defense sees this without other evidence refuting it and brings it forth when they present their case. JMOO


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So, only the magical dusting of evidence collected and approved by Proctor was turned into the lab? Funny, that
 
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  • #223
'Doctored Evidence' will henceforth be known as 'Proctored Evidence'
 
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AJ walking out from court yesterday was speaking with a throng of reporters. He stated that the video shown in court was not just inverted, it was manipulated. He stated that the time stamp ( barely visible to us) on the video has the numbers clearly shown normally, instead of inverted, like they should have been ( on an innocently inverted clip ) . He is clear that this manipulation was done purposely and not an accident.

It was meant to falsely lead the jury.

MOO
I have a feeling Monday is going to be a good day for the defense.
 
  • #225
So, only the magical dusting of evidence collected and approved by Proctor was turned into the lab? Funny, that
Not sure about that. The plastic pieces may have been turned in with JO's shoe and and then given to the puzzle assembler vallier. The info about the missing shoe didn't come out until a few days ago and I still need to find a good video to watch showing the evidence bag and all the contents. I do suspect there could be plastic pieces in with it but offhand don't remember seeing the evidence bag for date collected and submitting. This chain of evidence is more difficult to follow as it dragged on and on...JMOO
 
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  • #226
'Doctored Evidence' will henceforth be known as 'Proctored Evidence'

So weird you said that because just last night I was thinking to myself, "what ''isms' are going to come out of this trial?"

Maybe even "Proctored Trooper" to both identify a corrupt cop and commemorate Jen McCabe's flub.

IMO MOO
 
  • #227
'Doctored Evidence' will henceforth be known as 'Proctored Evidence'
Now I have that idiot Proctor from the Police Academy movies in my head.
 
  • #228
Furthering the discussion on CTV, the word 'Blunder' was made as an attempt to defend/ deflect the CW's admitting this deceitful video.

Umm, 'blunder' isn't going to work during re-direct Lally.
The huge GIANT bell of " Colossal " reasonable doubt has been rung, and the jury will not be able to/ or willing to hear what your excuse might be. They must be mightily offended.

MOO

There is no way this will be seen as other than deceitful after cross and calling it a blunder won’t fly. The timestamp scroll at bottom of video had been corrected, meaning there was awareness of the invert and a purposeful attempt to hide that fact by correcting the timestamp scroll at bottom.
 
  • #229
Thank you very much. Was the part about Colin and Brian played in court? It was so hard to hear.
This is what was played in Court on 6/6/21 during Trooper Bukhenik's testimony. It appears to me to be the full audio comment by KR. Begins at about marker 1:06:03.

 
  • #230
I think that was Allie McCabe, the young woman who says Life360 got it all wrong?
Thanks for catching that. Yes it was Allie McCabe not Jen.
 
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There is no way this will be seen as other than deceitful after cross and calling it a blunder won’t fly. The timestamp scroll at bottom of video had been corrected, meaning there was awareness of the invert and a purposeful attempt to hide that fact by correcting the timestamp scroll at bottom.
AJ won’t let it fly!
 
  • #232
The order the state's evidence was entered into evidence and submitted for lab analysis should be considered a crime in and of itself. I'm suspecting it was done this way in order to delay and confuse. It's a good thing that that the defense has access to all available records dates and times and can look back and determine what and when and what part of the submission went where. That they are aware of the delays in Proctor submitting certain items thus having control over them for extended periods of time. JMOO
 
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This is what was played in Court on 6/6/21 during Trooper Bukhenik's testimony. It appears to me to be the full audio comment by KR. Begins at about marker 1:06:03.


Thank you!

I don't understand how the CW thought this was going to benefit them. Unless they were just trying to get ahead of it knowing the Defense is going to play it?
 
  • #234
I don't know the quote, but could she have been speculating based upon some things she knew at the time?

We haven't heard from Tom and Erin Beaty yet as they are defense witnesses, but we know Erin has said Colin called her for a ride from Fairview that night. She either declined or he found someone else. Erin reported this, possibly to a private investigator, and for her attempt to be helpful, she claims she was verbally bullied by Jen McCabe and a friend and told to keep her mouth shut. Erin is almost certainly how the defense even knew Colin was in the house that night, as no one else in the house that night ever mentioned him. We'll hear from the Beatys soon.

Karen knew Colin and about his not so good relationship with John. So the above sounds like her speculating and trying to find out what actually happened to John that night.

My opinion only, I'm just speculating myself.
BBM

If the door is now open for the CW's witnesses to answer questions on the stand about harassment they have received, surely it's only fair that defense witnesses are allowed to do the same?
 
  • #235
I can see how the story evolved from the testimonies given so far. From onset at scene, it was an undetermined physical altercation resulting in JOK cold and unconscious laying in the snow. They all saw his face, some may have seen his arm. But clearly, by 10:40 am (per YB's reluctant affirmation ) he did call the ME and he did state to her that it was from physical altercation/ .

What happened after that, to change the story to vehicular altercation?
Jen McCabe happened.....
The story morphed.
She had directly called LE to give 'more information', and the interview with the McCabe's , Brian Albert, Yuri and Proctor happened. Suddenly....we be movin' to get the vehicle...
And, we are here..
And the nice helpful medical examiner did what she as they
Where in the medical examiner's report does it mention a motor vehicle?
yuo, mentions that it was not really of a physical alteration, and that it was undetermined. Add insult to tragedy. As death cert states what caused the death not what did not cause it. “There is something rotten in the state of MA”
 
  • #236
Karen’s own words

That the witness didn’t say she said until a year later, but whatever Karen exclaimed was said in hysterics because she just found her boyfriend dead
Why & how would police obtain a warrant for a house connected to a motor vehicle accident?

AN OBVIOUS MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT?

Between Karen’s admitted excited utterances, the witnesses that arrived on scene and physical evidence like shards of taillight & damage to her vehicle

There was literally ZERO EVIDENCE he was beaten or involved in a physical altercation

Typically, people that commit crimes like this HAVE REMORSE, don’t have FILTHY RICH attorneys willing & able to dazzle with this level of smoke & mirrors and bullpoop and PR team churning out propaganda. Most people have somewhat of a conscious and hope to take a plea.

Not Karen though.
Karen doesn’t care. Karen is about Karen 100% of the time.
The trooper testified that HE originally thought the victim had been beaten. What do you mean an obvious vehicle homicide? He wasn’t in the middle of the road. He wasn’t on the sidewalk just off of the road. The police are there to investigate a suspicious death.

They should have investigated and let the evidence lead them to a conclusion instead of making a conclusion and try to find evidence to fit
 
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To your point: I have several times opined to my spouse, “How many of these people were simply doing their job and got pulled into this whole mess as victims of circumstance?”

I believe the vast majority of EMS and LE were doing just that—their jobs. But somehow, they’ve been ensnared in a greater web of deceit woven by a few rogues. Those rogues just happen to be in positions of authority above those just doing their jobs. Further, those authority figures have their own personal relationships within and amongst themselves.

I can’t speculate as to how deep those relationships run, but testimony thus far has allowed us to see the links. Those established links make me believe Trooper Proctor should’ve let the next guy on duty at 7:00 am take this case. Bukhenik testified that Proctor wasn’t even supposed to be on duty when OJO was pronounced. His actions, even at that point, invite scrutiny. Why was he so keen to take this case on when, by all rights, he should be signing off duty after a 12-hour shift? Why wouldn’t he recuse himself, knowing he had personal relationships with the families involved (the same reason Canton PD recused themselves)? I could possibly see Proctor wanting to be involved if he was seeking justice for a fallen officer, but, IIRC, Troopers were responding to what was essentially a “man down.” They didn’t yet know that OJO was LE. So again, why so keen, Trooper Proctor?

I’m from a small town in Vermont, just a few hours north of Canton. And like Canton, our police force regularly relies on Troopers for investigations of this magnitude. Local PD and the Troopers will inevitably have interpersonal relationships within LE circles and with local citizens. I can absolutely understand the reality of that. What I can’t get past is why Proctor didn’t come forward and just say, “Hey, this is a little too close to home for me, so I shouldn’t be involved.” It would’ve been such an easy thing to do.

Bukhenik, his supervisor, seems to be a level-headed guy. He may have backed him on that point by assigning someone else—say, the next Trooper on the duty roster. If that had happened, we might not be where we are today in this trial.

Disregarding evidence shoddily gathered by Canton PD, sadly, most of the tainted (for lack of a better word) “evidence” has Proctor’s name all over it. While I don’t believe there’s a widespread conspiracy involving every person called to testify, I do believe a few bad apples have ruined the bunch by placing those involved in the precarious position of going with the flow to save face for agencies serving the public and protecting the livelihoods of all families of those involved.

Lawyers have parties where to which they invite lawyers, doctors have parties where they invite doctors, politicians have parties, etc. Hence, it is OK to expect from the policemen to have “inner circles.” It is social behavior and there is unreasonable to think that our police is different from all groups/classes. It is human nature if the sister of one policeman marries another one because this is the group she understands.

Hence, I think it is unrealistic to expect that our policemen don’t “form” relationships. Everyone does.

What is realistic: to remind our policemen that they, essentially, serve our cities. Here is where things have changed: if waiters and hairdressers’ tips used to be a “thank you for good service”, now they are expected, never mind the quality of the service. Same with the police, the idea that they serve the society has disappeared, the behavior and level of “in control” showmanship may get incredible. This is what CW is paying for, essentially.

So while on one hand, I do want to ask the policemen how low funds contribute to being overworked or burned out, because I think we have to hear their voices, on the other, I also want to draw the line at the level of “look, the money = the service.” If Proctor during his work time discusses a job-related situation with two random friends and, pay attention, describes - not just a woman, not a professor, but to start with, a taxpaying citizen! - in derogatory terms, then it is “bad quality of service. No tips, no perks.”

However, it is interesting that during this court, the “professionalism” is clearly expected from one side. How should we view Alan Jackson, the famous lawyer, addressing Trooper Bukhenik “Trooper Proctor”? Does his memory fail him? Or, should we get into why he can’t spend the time to learn how to pronounce the witness’s name correctly? Or simply, as long as the client pays, he/she determines the level of professionalism? But we, the viewers, also would like to hear speeches worthy of the Cicero, not TB-level razzle-dazzle. JMO. Otherwise, we’ll stop following the case, it will be one-sided opinion, and one-sides opinions self-implode.
 
  • #239
I don't know what the reason was but I would think lally would know that the defense would see that the video was mirrored. The alarm went out almost immediately on internet. So why did he play that video knowing it would be exposed as reversed. I can't think of one good reason playing that video would help to state's case. In fact, it just conjures up more questions to include missing time. Any ideas? JMOO
 
  • #240
I don't know what the reason was but I would think lally would know that the defense would see that the video was mirrored. The alarm went out almost immediately on internet. So why did he play that video knowing it would be exposed as reversed. I can't think of one good reason playing that video would help to state's case. In fact, it just conjures up more questions to include missing time. Any ideas? JMOO
I think they thought they would slip it in there and it would not be noticed.
They could claim it was accidental if spotted.
They took the chance...
Egregious.
 
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