MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

[Linda7NJ]

On the contrary I wish I could fast-forward through Lally's bumbling barely audible questioning of witnesses where the only words I can usually make out are "what if anything..." but each to their own!

I may not have been here anywhere near as long as you have, but I feel a duty to be a dilligent and objective websleuth. I have previously accepted that the premise of the "cover up" would usually be too wild to believe, but I have never seen such a disastrous and unreliable set of civillian eyewitnesses, first responders and LE. What the hell is going on in this little town?

I’ve seen FAR better prosecutors. He’s out of his league on this one I think it was a mistake to front load his presentation addressing the defense theory.

I’ve seen far less obnoxious but effective defense attorneys.

Memory is highly fallible, the differences in recollection, in my opinion, prove there was no conspiracy. Yet they are basically consistent

I have NEVER seen a perfectly handled case, a perfect witness, or a flawless presentation.

I have nothing but respect for defense attorneys. That doesn’t mean I don’t find it personally disgusting when a defendant okays use the SODDI defense and destroys innocent people.
Jose Baez comes to mind.

 

[Linda7NJ]

None of the evidence shows she hit him, accidentally or on purpose. If you've watched the trial you must know that the Commonwealth still hasn't even come up with a theory to try to sell how they claim Read did it. No reconstructionist, no lead investigator.

I've asked you several times now what you think caused those arm injuries and the corresponding puncture marks on JO's sweatshirt, but you never seem to want to tackle the physical evidence related to John's body. But the jury will.

Michael Proctor is a very bad cop. He's done some really bad things here and will end up in prison when this is all said and done. But you're of course free to vouch for him. Endlessly.

What’s been presented that indicates he’s a bad cop?

 

[TTF14]

It’s preposterous.

you honestly believe law enforcement officers and a bunch of others beat him, the dog attacked him and their brilliant plan was to dump him on their front own front lawn and wait for him to freeze to death …knowing Karen Read would show up and they would frame her. EVERYONE would join on this conspiracy because, well..why not? It’s a joke right? and according to Karen, they’re all in on it.
That’s why she immediately shared her suspicions that morning …right?

That makes ZERO SENSE

No, I don't think LE and a "bunch of others beat him." I think John showed up to the party, immediately got into an altercation because of something he said or something someone else said (probably about Karen and Brian Higgins, but who knows). A fight ensued. The dog got into it because of all of the yelling. They accidentally killed him. Put him outside to hopefully be hit by a snow plow since a huge blizzard was coming. They didn't even think about framing Karen Read until the next day, but they knew since an 18 year old kid in the prime of his life would be in deep trouble for killing a cop, they went into CYA mode. The stakes were high. Karen was expendable.

This is just my opinion since you asked.

I'm curious, though, what you make of Jen McCabe searching for "hos long to die in the cold" in the middle of the night. Are you buying what she's selling about it being phone record inaccuracies?

JMO MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

And that was my initial assumption. Obvious , boom open / shut case. Until I started looking at the evidence.
The FBI - injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car
The destroyed phones - why?
The ‘Hos long to die in the cold’ text at 2.07am - why?? And even at 630am - why??)

- The inconsistent witnesses
-The handling of the evidence, that was unbelievably bad.
-The shards of glass which came from different glasses
- Finding pieces a month later
The bizarre mirrored video
-the bizarre note in the death certificate.
It goes on.
None of these point to a competent or at times even honest investigation.
Why?
Moo

I'll add:

The failure to identify who was in the house that night (most notably Colin "bang, bang KO!" Albert) and failure to conduct normal police interviews. As opposed to all together in the McCabe living room.

The failure to canvass the area to look for Ring video and ask neighbors what they heard and saw that night.

Canton PD not finding a single piece of red taillight when they searched when there was only a few inches of snow on the ground. Not one piece of the future 45.

Proctor's lack of documentation and recording of wrong names and wrong times of the Dighton trip.

A different - doctored? - CD of the library footage that should shown Read driving past the library after leaving Fairview. Incredibly embarrassing moment for Lally when the IT guy said on the stand "That is NOT the CD I submitted to the state".

A state witness (Trooper Buk) implying Read deleted Ring footage of her returning from Fairview and footage of McCabe and Robert looking at her taillight that morning. Only for the defense to confirm Proctor requested all video, received all video and, nothing could have been deleted by Read. If video is missing, it's because Proctor removed it.

Total lack of documentation with regard to when and how taillight pieces were found coupled with a failure to take proper photos and measurements to determine where exactly they were "found".

The fact that the Read vehicle was returned to Canton instead of the Middleboro State Police barracks where it should have been brought as Canton was conflicted off the case by then.

NO EVIDENCE PHOTOS of the taillight before it was removed by the police at the sallyport garage.

The "witnesses" are much more than just inconsistent. They are flat-out lying about phone calls, texts and searches as verified by data. Two destroyed their phones that were under preservation orders.

Julie Albert promising a gift to Dirty Trooper Proctor "when this is all over". Proctor accepting said gift, via his wife.

Jen McCabe visiting the homes of two of the investigators and then lying about the circumstances. (thanks, FBI!)

And we haven't even heard from the defense yet! This list will just continue to grow.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I have over 10 years experience using the app -
My family has been on it since my kid got his first cell phone

It’s usually accurate - sometimes it’s close and rarely it places someone very far away - like Florida LOL - it’s certainly not perfect.

So we excuse this evidence because it’s “not perfect” but we accept the CW evidence even though it’s nowhere near perfect?

 

[Pyrite]

I'll add:

The failure to identify who was in the house that night (most notably Colin "bang, bang KO!" Albert) and failure to conduct normal police interviews. As opposed to all together in the McCabe living room.

The failure to canvass the area to look for Ring video and ask neighbors what they heard and saw that night.

Canton PD not finding a single piece of red taillight when they searched when there was only a few inches of snow on the ground. Not one piece of the future 45.

Proctor's lack of documentation and recording of wrong names and wrong times of the Dighton trip.

A different - doctored? - CD of the library footage that should shown Read driving past the library after leaving Fairview. Incredibly embarrassing moment for Lally when the IT guy said on the stand "That is NOT the CD I submitted to the state".

A state witness (Trooper Buk) implying Read deleted Ring footage of her returning from Fairview and footage of McCabe and Robert looking at her taillight that morning. Only for the defense to confirm Proctor requested all video, received all video and, nothing could have been deleted by Read. If video is missing, it's because Proctor removed it.

Canton PD not finding a single piece of red taillight when they searched when there was only a few inches of snow on the ground. Not one piece of the future 45.

Total lack of documentation with regard to when and how taillight pieces were found coupled with a failure to take proper photos and measurements to determine where exactly they were "found".

The fact that the Read vehicle was returned to Canton instead of the Middleboro State Police barracks where it should have been brought as Canton was conflicted off the case by then.

The "witnesses" are much more than just inconsistent. They are flat-out lying about phone calls, texts and searches as verified by data. Two destroyed their phones that were under preservation orders.

Julie Albert promising a gift to Dirty Trooper Proctor "when this is all over". Proctor accepting said gift, via his wife.

Jen McCabe visiting the homes of two of the investigators and then lying about the circumstances. (thanks, FBI!)

And we haven't even heard from the defense yet! This list will just continue to grow.

I’d add, not one clear photo of the broken tail light when LE picked up the Lexus at KR’s parent’s house.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I’d add, not one clear photo of the broken tail light when LE picked up the Lexus at KR’s parent’s house.

Yep. And generally pictures are taken all around a vehicle before towing to assess which damage was already there.
JMO

 

[TTF14]

Canton PD not finding a single piece of red taillight when they searched when there was only a few inches of snow on the ground. Not one piece of the future 45.

RSBM

This part is absolutely crazy.

I don't see this case going much past Monday, nevermind making it to a jury.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

That’s why she immediately shared her suspicions that morning …right?

RSBM

What suspicions did she immediately share? All we've heard (truthfully anyway) is that she said "Did I hit him? Could I have hit him?" Jen McCabe said that Karen said "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him," but that was refuted by her prior testimony twelve times over.

If you mean she immediately shared her suspicions that he was beat to a pulp by Brian and Colin Albert, I don't think that's accurate. Wasn't it weeks to months later that she said that? Once she saw what was going on?

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

I just checked - member since 2012

I have had inaccuracies with LIfe360 as well. But not like was described in this case. Not even close. I think the jury will be convinced that what is reported by the Life360 data to describe Ali McCabe's movements is 100% accurate.

It just defies all logic that ALL of these phone records would be inaccurate. Especially in combination with all of the deleted calls and texts and all of the butt and s---e---x dials.

IMO MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

RSBM

This part is absolutely crazy.

I don't see this case going much past Monday, nevermind making it to a jury.

IMO MOO

I don't get this judge, especially because I know a few attorneys who have tried cases in her court and they've found her to be fair.

But both sides requested a continuance and she refused. Knowing full well how hard it would be to find jurors and knowing that people have already scheduled vacations in the summer, resulting in missed court days. And especially knowing the FBI has an open investigation into the investigation here!

She's consistently showed bias toward the prosecution. (although I think Lally is beginning to wear her down).

So while under normal circumstances, I'd expect a judge to issue a directed verdict of not guilty and prevent this from going to the jury, I don't see it happening here. She wants this done, she wants it done now, and she doesn't want to be the one to make the final decision.

 

[Linda7NJ]

None of the evidence shows she hit him, accidentally or on purpose. If you've watched the trial you must know that the Commonwealth still hasn't even come up with a theory to try to sell how they claim Read did it. No reconstructionist, no lead investigator.

I've asked you several times now what you think caused those arm injuries and the corresponding puncture marks on JO's sweatshirt, but you never seem to want to tackle the physical evidence related to John's body. But the jury will.

Michael Proctor is a very bad cop. He's done some really bad things here and will end up in prison when this is all said and done. But you're of course free to vouch for him. Endlessly.

I don’t know enough about his injuries - I am not going to speculate when I can’t even see the autopsy report

I will speculate at this point - his eyes are swollen due to the injury to the back of his head he wasn’t punched in the face.

when people are hit by cars their bodies react typically rag dolls - I’ve witnessed a man hit by a car going roughly 30 MPG - I didn’t know it was a human being at first - I thought it was like a long duffel bag at first - it bounced and slid.
The car that hit him took off - the victim laid dying from a massive head and spinal injury. All I could do was hold his hand and tell him help was on the way.
I’ve witnessed other pedestrian accident's - once I saw a woman get hit by a speeding car, it clipped her and she literally flew 10 feet off the ground before landing . She was perfectly fine and refused to go to the hospital

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't get this judge, especially because I know a few attorneys who have tried cases in her court and they've found her to be fair.

But both sides requested a continuance and she refused. Knowing full well how hard it would be to find jurors and knowing that people have already scheduled vacations in the summer, resulting in missed court days. And especially knowing the FBI has an open investigation into the investigation here!

She's consistently showed bias toward the prosecution. (although I think Lally is beginning to wear her down).

So while under normal circumstances, I'd expect a judge to issue a directed verdict of not guilty and prevent this from going to the jury, I don't see it happening here. She wants this done, she wants it done now, and she doesn't want to be the one to make the final decision.

No judge wants to be reversed on appeal in a case like this,

 

[TTF14]

I don't get this judge, especially because I know a few attorneys who have tried cases in her court and they've found her to be fair.

But both sides requested a continuance and she refused. Knowing full well how hard it would be to find jurors and knowing that people have already scheduled vacations in the summer, resulting in missed court days. And especially knowing the FBI has an open investigation into the investigation here!

She's consistently showed bias toward the prosecution. (although I think Lally is beginning to wear her down).

So while under normal circumstances, I'd expect a judge to issue a directed verdict of not guilty and prevent this from going to the jury, I don't see it happening here. She wants this done, she wants it done now, and she doesn't want to be the one to make the final decision.

I didn't follow this case until the trial started, so I don't have an opinion on the decisions she made prior. To me, besides some of her "sustains," she seems pretty fair, at least while in the courtroom (not taking into account any rulings prior to trial). Maybe she didn't know how much she didn't know until the trial actually started?

JMO MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

No judge wants to be reversed on appeal in a case like this,

What do you mean? Not guilty verdicts are not appealable. This comment is incomplete conflict with my post, so I don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have had inaccuracies with LIfe360 as well. But not like was described in this case. Not even close. I think the jury will be convinced that what is reported by the Life360 data to describe Ali McCabe's movements is 100% accurate.

It just defies all logic that ALL of these phone records would be inaccurate. Especially in combination with all of the deleted calls and texts and all of the butt and s---e---x dials.

IMO MOO

I’m not certain how the satellites are accessed or recorded when using Life360

Some days it’s awful - I don’t think weather has any effect as the day it put my husband in Florida, it was clear and sunny - Same when it put me in Tennessee LOL

 

[HarmonyE.]

I didn't follow this case until the trial started, so I don't have an opinion on the decisions she made prior. To me, besides some of her "sustains," she seems pretty fair, at least while in the courtroom (not taking into account any rulings prior to trial). Maybe she didn't know how much she didn't know until the trial actually started?

Yes, she denied quite of few of the defense motions and requests pre-trial. Several seemed quite reasonable.

But to your point, I really don't think she knew much about the case before the trial started. She's gettin' an education right about now though.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

From reading posts here it's said that there is zero evidence showing Karen Read is guilty.

That made me wonder why the judge didn't grant the defense request for a dismissal before the trial.

JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What do you mean? Not guilty verdicts are not appealable. This comment is incomplete conflict with my post, so I don't understand what you are trying to say.

You claimed the judge was biased and favored the prosecution.

 

[bobbymkii]

I don't get this judge, especially because I know a few attorneys who have tried cases in her court and they've found her to be fair.

But both sides requested a continuance and she refused. Knowing full well how hard it would be to find jurors and knowing that people have already scheduled vacations in the summer, resulting in missed court days. And especially knowing the FBI has an open investigation into the investigation here!

She's consistently showed bias toward the prosecution. (although I think Lally is beginning to wear her down).

So while under normal circumstances, I'd expect a judge to issue a directed verdict of not guilty and prevent this from going to the jury, I don't see it happening here. She wants this done, she wants it done now, and she doesn't want to be the one to make the final decision.

I've always thought that she appears to be deeply uncomfortable with the entire premise of the defense case which involves very serious allegations against emergency first responders in the county in which she serves, and it is affecting her decision making in this case.

While I am still awaiting the pathological and reconstruction evidence to reach a final decision myself. If that gets as thoroughly and flamboyantly debunked as the eyewitness/LE evidence has so far (JMO) there is a very real possibility that there is no case to answer here.

I'm actually starting to wonder if getting a guilty verdict against KR is no longer the main priority of the Norfolk County DA's office, and the longer Karen Read is indicted on these charges, the longer they have no obligation to investigate anyone else or let the case go cold.