MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[Yemelyan]

@Gracie2722 To your point #3, there is a podcast called Missing and Sandra is featured in episode 1. It's a full interview with her daughter and she talks a little bit about the nature of their relationship. In her own words she said "I put myself through nursing school. We were not that close until I had kids and then she started coming around more." I too wonder how one goes from a relationship where your mom doesn't "come around" to one where you manage your mom's finances to the extent that your name is also on the deed of her house and you arrange for her car repairs. It seems like there must be some new circumstance in the mother's life that would necessitate this, but whatever it is (if anything) has not been shared.

To your point #4, some other relatives spoke at Sandra's vigil, including her son in law. But no one else has done official interviews with reporters.

5. If I remember correctly, most of the sex offenders in that area had crimes against children, not adults, so it's kind of less likely that they would have been involved with the disappearance of a 54 year old woman, but having said that, I feel pretty confident LE would have checked into this. In the podcast mentioned above, Sandra's daughter explains that people were writing her letters accusing one particular registered sex offender who lived in the vicinity but police cleared him right away.

 

[Gracie2722]

Snipped to highlight this...The correct timeline is:

The day the car was dropped at the mechanic was Wednesday, after Sandra had watched the kids all day. The son in law evidently came to her house, they put the kids in car seats in his truck, she drove her own car to the mechanic and he followed. Then she hopped in his truck and they made the stop at Cumberland Farms on the way back to Sandra's house.

The following day, Thursday, her daughter had the kids with her at the beach as it was her day off.

Friday morning when the daughter arrived to drop off the kids Sandra was nowhere to be found.

Thank you for clarifying this!

 

[Gracie2722]

5. If I remember correctly, most of the sex offenders in that area had crimes against children, not adults, so it's kind of less likely that they would have been involved with the disappearance of a 54 year old woman, but having said that, I feel pretty confident LE would have checked into this. In the podcast mentioned above, Sandra's daughter explains that people were writing her letters accusing one particular registered sex offender who lived in the vicinity but police cleared him right away.[/QUOTE]

At least a couple in the area committed crimes against individuals over 14...whether or not they were adults I do not know, that's just how MA classifies sex crimes (under or over 14). That obviously doesn't suggest they are guilty, it's s till statistically more likely someone she knew was involved.

Was her car or the son-in-law's car searched? Obviously her car cannot possibly be the crime scene, but it could hold additional clues as to her whereabouts/receipts from stores, etc.

 

[Yemelyan]

Was her car or the son-in-law's car searched? Obviously her car cannot possibly be the crime scene, but it could hold additional clues as to her whereabouts/receipts from stores, etc.

To my knowledge, law enforcement has never commented publicly on searches of the vehicles. This doesn't mean, however, that it wasn't done.

 

[HarmonyE.]

To your point #3, there is a podcast called Missing and Sandra is featured in episode 1. It's a full interview with her daughter and she talks a little bit about the nature of their relationship. In her own words she said "I put myself through nursing school. We were not that close until I had kids and then she started coming around more." I too wonder how one goes from a relationship where your mom doesn't "come around" to one where you manage your mom's finances to the extent that your name is also on the deed of her house and you arrange for her car repairs. It seems like there must be some new circumstance in the mother's life that would necessitate this, but whatever it is (if anything) has not been shared.

Agree. It's strange. When you think about it, very little is known about Sandra's life right up to the day she disappeared. We know she was married and had kids and got divorced. We're told she lived with her elderly father for at least some period of time. We know she got the house when her father died. 54 years of life on this planet and all hear is that she is a "homebody grandma". Did she graduate high school? Did she work ever? Have friends? Did she always live in Quincy? In Hough's neck? Or did she leave for some period of time after the divorce and return later? Any ex-boyfriends? What did she spend her time doing?

Nothin'

And what does a 54 year old homebody who lives alone in a tiny house with no vehicle and no internet access do on a hot summer day when the grandkids aren't around?

I'm not that far from 54 myself and not an extreme extrovert, but I know I would have used my lifeline landline and phoned a friend. But we can safely bet that Sandra didn't make it to Thursday, at least not at home. Assuming she did make it home on Wednesday afternoon, she later left her house with her purse and her shoes. The big question is then - did she leave voluntarily or involuntarily? The fact that she took her purse with her gets me leaning towards voluntarily. Next questions are - where did she go and how did she get there?

 

[MimosaMornings]

Heck we don’t know what brand of cigarettes she smoked much less anything personal.
The no cell phone, tablet, laptop or internet is difficult for me to comprehend.
JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Heck we don’t know what brand of cigarettes she smoked much less anything personal.
The no cell phone, tablet, laptop or internet is difficult for me to comprehend.
JMO

I don't know, of course, but it seems to me Sandra was trying to start a new life in Hanson. I get that the grandsons were now a few miles away, but her move from Hough's Neck, a busy, vibrant seaside neighborhood where she must have known a lot of people, to where she ended up in Hanson had to have been a huge change for her. Knowing both areas, I can say with certainty that I would have stayed in Hough's Neck and driven out to my daughter's house in Pembroke three days a week to babysit rather than move to the Hanson neighborhood where she lived. I looked up the father's house in Hough's Neck and it is a 2 story, but not huge by any stretch. And the drive from Quincy to Pembroke where her daughter lives is about 20 miles.

So I'm not convinced that we know all the reasons for the move. But if she left Quincy because of any problems or situations with people she knew there, getting rid of the cell phone, at least temporarily, may have been another way to cut ties. Or temptations, assuming there were any.

 

[Kittybunny]

I live not too far from Hanson so this case caught my interest.

Few things I'd like to clarify:
1. Wasn't SC's daughter at the beach with her kids the day her husband gave SC a lift to and from the mechanic? If so, then how is it possible that the kids were in the car?

2. Could be just a hunch, but if no one can verify she made it home, my gut feeling is she never made it home. We often leave our doors unlocked when we run out to do a few quick errands, so it's not surprising to me that maybe she would have left the backdoor open when she left with a relative to go to the mechanic.

3. A few things are suspect to me: her daughter's name is on the deed and it seems she took some responsibility for SC's finances, despite not having a close relationship until recently? Can anyone clarify what she meant by suggesting she and her mom were not close until recently? This could indicate a possible strain in familial relations.

4. I keep wondering if anyone in the family was going through financial struggles/had something to gain from SC dying---although she hasn't been declared dead, so I struggle with this as a possible motive.

4. Have any of SC's friends/siblings/relatives besides her daughter spoken with the media? I'm curious if they could shed a little more light or share a different perspective on her personal life.

5. There are a few sex offenders with in walking distance from her house....not to suggest in any way that they were involved, but I'm wondering if that has been ruled out.

Gracie, my thoughts on the direction of her disappearance align with yours. I too wonder if she made it home. Perhaps the back door left open was just habit, or deliberate misdirection. The only motive for foul play, assuming foul play, feels financial to me. Not that it couldn't be random, of course it could...I want to go back a re-watch the video from the vigil. I remember the son-in-law speaking on that.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Gracie, my thoughts on the direction of her disappearance align with yours. I too wonder if she made it home.

Her son-in-law says he brought her home but he didn't see her go inside the house.

It would have been still light out at the time - and for several more hours at that time of year - so if she made it to the driveway, she almost certainly made it in the house. It's a congested "camp house" type of neighborhood and I can't see anyone abducting her at that time, outside her house. And I can't see anyone not noticing her walking away. Nor can I imagine where she'd have been walking to.

Now, the SIL could have brought her somewhere else, but I don't see that we have any obvious reason to disbelieve him.

I think it's more likely someone picked her up, maybe after dark when the neighbors would have been less likely to notice anything. And as I said upthread, I think it's more likely she left voluntarily.

The only other thing I will add is this. About two miles from Cumberland Farms and on the same road, is a commuter train stop. I don't know what the schedule looked like at the time as everything has since changed due to Covid. However, this train will take you in to Quincy Center in 1/2 hour where you can pick up a bus that will bring you to Hough's Neck in a few minutes.

Of course I have no idea if Sandra went to Quincy Wednesday evening. But she didn't have anything to do in Hanson until Friday and supposedly didn't know anyone in the town or neighborhood, so if someone she knew invited her out there - why not? Hopefully LE has seriously considered this possibility.

One question that could be asked is, why leave the door unlocked if she was going out for the evening? I don't have an answer, only heard speculation that her house key may have been on the key chain she gave the mechanic. And maybe she figured she didn't have much worth stealing anyway.

 

[Yemelyan]

Her son-in-law says he brought her home but he didn't see her go inside the house.

It would have been still light out at the time - and for several more hours at that time of year - so if she made it to the driveway, she almost certainly made it in the house. It's a congested "camp house" type of neighborhood and I can't see anyone abducting her at that time, outside her house. And I can't see anyone not noticing her walking away. Nor can I imagine where she'd have been walking to.

Now, the SIL could have brought her somewhere else, but I don't see that we have any obvious reason to disbelieve him.

I think it's more likely someone picked her up, maybe after dark when the neighbors would have been less likely to notice anything. And as I said upthread, I think it's more likely she left voluntarily.

The only other thing I will add is this. About two miles from Cumberland Farms and on the same road, is a commuter train stop. I don't know what the schedule looked like at the time as everything has since changed due to Covid. However, this train will take you in to Quincy Center in 1/2 hour where you can pick up a bus that will bring you to Hough's Neck in a few minutes.

Of course I have no idea if Sandra went to Quincy Wednesday evening. But she didn't have anything to do in Hanson until Friday and supposedly didn't know anyone in the town or neighborhood, so if someone she knew invited her out there - why not? Hopefully LE has seriously considered this possibility.

One question that could be asked is, why leave the door unlocked if she was going out for the evening? I don't have an answer, only heard speculation that her house key may have been on the key chain she gave the mechanic. And maybe she figured she didn't have much worth stealing anyway.

I'm in agreement with much of this. I've thought from the beginning that she left voluntarily at some point Wednesday night after returning home.

I can say that in Quincy, her former home, police were very actively searching for her when she first disappeared. Her information was everywhere and police even said, she may have returned here.

I know they also looked actively in Brockton. Now, two things Quincy and Brockton have in common is they are relatively large cities for the south of Boston area. You can more easily disappear in Quincy or Brockton, if you wanted to, than in Hanson or Pembroke.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I can say that in Quincy, her former home, police were very actively searching for her when she first disappeared. Her information was everywhere and police even said, she may have returned here.

I know they also looked actively in Brockton. Now, two things Quincy and Brockton have in common is they are relatively large cities for the south of Boston area. You can more easily disappear in Quincy or Brockton, if you wanted to, than in Hanson or Pembroke.

Yes, I remember now that there was a supposed sighting of her near Washington and Pond in Quincy. Brockton's interesting; I wonder if there was a tip. But agree, I don't think whatever happened to her happened in Hanson.

Now exactly what happened and why it happened, that's a whole other bunch of questions...

 

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[Dotrat]

Not too sure how heavy of a smoker Sandra is, Do we know how many packs of cigarettes Sandra bought at Cumberland Farms? If she was not planning to go anywhere she might buy a couple of packs to get her through until Sat, or did she get one pack and figured she could pick some up later while she was out? MOO

Also another thought, her clothes in the C F video, wondering were those the clothes she wore ALL day while watching the kids, or did she change to drop the car off at mechanics? I ask because she probably was playing with kids outside in the summer heat and possibly got a bit sweaty and if she was planning on going out later that evening one might want to freshen up. Just me pondering.

also the door unlocked really bothers me, IIRC her daughter basically said (my words) Sandra was like cautious even asking about how safe Hanson was so I really can’t believe she would leave her door unlocked at any time. JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Not too sure how heavy of a smoker Sandra is, Do we know how many packs of cigarettes Sandra bought at Cumberland Farms? If she was not planning to go anywhere she might buy a couple of packs to get her through until Sat, or did she get one pack and figured she could pick some up later while she was out? MOO

Also another thought, her clothes in the C F video, wondering were those the clothes she wore ALL day while watching the kids, or did she change to drop the car off at mechanics? I ask because she probably was playing with kids outside in the summer heat and possibly got a bit sweaty and if she was planning on going out later that evening one might want to freshen up. Just me pondering.

also the door unlocked really bothers me, IIRC her daughter basically said (my words) Sandra was like cautious even asking about how safe Hanson was so I really can’t believe she would leave her door unlocked at any time. JMO

We really can't answer any of these questions, but I'd be surprised if she spent all day in her yard with the three little boys. There really isn't much land at all. I think it's just a little over 2,000 sq feet. These pre-flip photos give a sense of what the area looks like as I don't think the street is on Google maps and the post-flip photos don't show much outside. Granted, a lot of overgrowth was cleared away, but I still can't see much outdoor fun happening there. Not that I know what she did with the kids indoors, but at least there was a TV (?) and AC.

Sold: 47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 | 2 Beds / 1 Full Bath | $50000 - SOLD LISTING, MLS # 72362561

 

[MimosaMornings]

I’m wondering why Sandra didn’t just go over to her daughters house to babysit - would have been much easier to take care of children in their own home?
That’s what we usually did.
Easier than dressing and dragging them out early in the morning!
JMO

 

[Dotrat]

We really can't answer any of these questions, but I'd be surprised if she spent all day in her yard with the three little boys. There really isn't much land at all. I think it's just a little over 2,000 sq feet. These pre-flip photos give a sense of what the area looks like as I don't think the street is on Google maps and the post-flip photos don't show much outside. Granted, a lot of overgrowth was cleared away, but I still can't see much outdoor fun happening there. Not that I know what she did with the kids indoors, but at least there was a TV (?) and AC.

Sold: 47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 | 2 Beds / 1 Full Bath | $50000 - SOLD LISTING, MLS # 72362561

You are probably right about not all day but I did see in video several riding toys in her yard/driveway so I just figured she would be out with them part of the day.

 

[HarmonyE.]

You are probably right about not all day but I did see in video several riding toys in her yard/driveway so I just figured she would be out with them part of the day.

Thanks for the photo. That's pretty much the entire "yard" area. So while the boys may have played there a little, I can't see them being entertained there for very long. As someone posted upthread, it's strange that Sandra didn't babysit at their own home given the limitations of hers, but being a homebody grandma, maybe she preferred to stay home?

 

[MimosaMornings]

Was Sandra babysitting the children before her move to Hanson?
Wish we had a VI on this thread.

 

[Yemelyan]

Was Sandra babysitting the children before her move to Hanson?
Wish we had a VI on this thread.

Yes, she was babysitting them prior to the move.

We know this because in her daughter's interview on the Missing podcast, she says that one reason "we moved her" (meaning Sandra) to Hanson was so that it would cut down on the daughter's existing commute time.

 

[Gracie2722]

Yes, she was babysitting them prior to the move.

We know this because in her daughter's interview on the Missing podcast, she says that one reason "we moved her" (meaning Sandra) to Hanson was so that it would cut down on the daughter's existing commute time.

Hmm...so maybe SC wasn't stoked about the move? I'm not convinced that if she wasn't happy there it had anything to do with her disappearance, but that's interesting. I have to listen to the podcast.