MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[HarmonyE.]

LE confirmed that SC made a phone call to her Cousin T at 5:30 on Wednesday evening. Cousin T said she never received a call from SC as to whether SC was going to spend the night at Cousin T's or not. It seems to me that the call was made but not connected.

I know there has been some confusion over this because of something a podcast moderator said, but the last confirmed outgoing call from Sandra's line before her disappearance was on Tuesday when she last called her daughter. She apparently didn't call anyone on Wednesday, although her cousin did call and speak with her when the boys were still in the house, so before she'd left for the mechanic's.

 

[BostonTimes]

I know there has been some confusion over this because of something a podcast moderator said, but the last confirmed outgoing call from Sandra's line before her disappearance was on Tuesday when she last called her daughter. She apparently didn't call anyone on Wednesday, although her cousin did call and speak with her when the boys were still in the house, so before she'd left for the mechanic's.

Yes there is confusion about Sandras last outgoing call. LE said it was Tuesday to her daughter. T the cousin said no call came in from Sandra but the narrator in the vanished said last outgoing call was to her cousin T. Again, the vanished narrator said the last outgoing call from Sandra was to T at 5:30 pm in a response on Facebook under the Sandra Crispo post. So twice the narrator said 5:30 was the last outgoing call by Sandra and it was to T at 5:30 pm Wednesday. Now think of the facts. Who knew Sandra dropped her car off? If it were outside friends, the police would have, in my estimation, found a contact number through Sandras landline records. Sandra would have had to make contact. Phone records were for that purpose. No answer all day thursday, head over Friday morning. I would have been Scared to go in by myself especially when I got there and no one answered the door, lights on and AC on. I would have called for my mother and ran out for help. Called the sister and T to see if they spoke to sandra and if not I would have gone straight to tbe police station.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Absent an outgoing landline call from Sandra after the time her SIL dropped her off, there is no proof Sandra made it back into the house after dropping her car off. Her SIL says he dropped her off and waved goodbye, but he drove away before she actually entered her house. So a call made by Sandra after the time the SIL he says he dropped her off would be a pretty big deal. However, all indications are she did not call anyone from her landline that day, so it cannot be said with certainty that she ever set foot inside her house after dropping off her car.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I know there has been some confusion over this because of something a podcast moderator said, but the last confirmed outgoing call from Sandra's line before her disappearance was on Tuesday when she last called her daughter. She apparently didn't call anyone on Wednesday, although her cousin did call and speak with her when the boys were still in the house, so before she'd left for the mechanic's.

So it was the moderator or the narrator who said a call was made from SC's landline to Cousin T at 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday August 7, 2019. Somehow I was led to believe it was LE who reported that information. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[annpats]

...it cannot be said with certainty that she ever set foot inside her house after dropping off her car.

But her house was found with the lights on. So, presuming it goes dark between 18.00hrs to 20.00hrs, then she must've been there then. Or someone was. But if it was an intruder/stranger, why then the lights on?
The lights were on and the air con was running, which states to me she went missing when it was dark, but before she went to bed.

 

[HarmonyE.]

So it was the moderator or the narrator who said a call was made from SC's landline to Cousin T at 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday August 7, 2019. Somehow I was led to believe it was LE who reported that information. Thanks for clarifying that.

Yes, it was the narrator who said it and it was only stated during the last podcast. The story from her daughter all along was that LE advised her that the last outgoing call Sandra made was on Tuesday. This is somewhat supported by the cousin's story that she never heard back from Sandra after their earlier call. Further, the last incoming call, prior to Thursday when her daughter was trying to reach Sandra, was the earlier call from the cousin on Wednesday. The cousin alludes to this in the podcast, and we can time it to an extent because she said the boys were still in the house during that call.

So assuming the original story is accurate (and I tend to belive it is), not only can we not confirm Sandra made it into the house after dropping off her car, no other person called her to make plans for the evening. She never called her cousin to confirm or cancel their tentative plans. And she didn't call and ask anyone to stop by that evening after making those tentative plans with her cousin. It's these things that make this disappearance so mysterious to me. Assuming Sandra didn't walk away (and there really wasn't anywhere to walk to in that neighborhood) and assuming she did get back in her house after the mechanic's (kind of a big assumption as this can't be confirmed), the most logical conclusion I can come to is that someone came by unannounced. As there is no forensic information or signs of struggle to indicate that she was forcibly removed from her home, the best guess I can make is that she got in a car with someone she knew and trusted.

But lots of assumptions!

 

[HarmonyE.]

But her house was found with the lights on. So, presuming it goes dark between 18.00hrs to 20.00hrs, then she must've been there then. Or someone was. But if it was an intruder/stranger, why then the lights on?
The lights were on and the air con was running, which states to me she went missing when it was dark, but before she went to bed.

Her daughter has never clarified what she meant by "all the lights". It's a tiny house and the living/dining area is an extremely small footprint, one that probably only needed a light or two if sun wasn't shining in. It became overcast in the late afternoon that day (storms later) and she may well have had a few lights on in the living area long before it became dark.

Now if the daughter had said the bathroom and both bedrooms had lights on, I'd find that very suspicious. But she has never been clear about that, at least not publicly. She did say the central AC was on, but if Sandra left planning to be back in a fairly short time, I don't find that particularly telling, any more than I would if the heat was left on in the winter.

 

[BostonTimes]

Imho I would like clarification on the last outgoing call. Some other post mentioned law enforcement mentioned call was to T but I can not find that. Perhaps another podcast can clarify this because it is a big factor. Imho did Sandra get home, then meet someone as planned at the top of the street (because it is very confusing to get to her house and if this was the case and dark out as she left her lights on it would be even harder to find her street or house) and plan to come back.to get her belongings for an overnight but perhaps never came back? perhaps something happened at this point. Does that make sense? trying to explai that it is likely she met so.done st the top of the street because it was dark and they needed sandra to show the easy and come back to her home to get her dog and clothes...or maybe she had her clothes packed and brought them to meet this person. Unless she never made it inside as the Sil did not actually see her enter. And to add to that who put the lights and ac on? Sandra or the suspect whoever they are.

 

[BostonTimes]

But her house was found with the lights on. So, presuming it goes dark between 18.00hrs to 20.00hrs, then she must've been there then. Or someone was. But if it was an intruder/stranger, why then the lights on?
The lights were on and the air con was running, which states to me she went missing when it was dark, but before she went to bed.

That's IF SANDRA put the lights on.

 

[BostonTimes]

So it was the moderator or the narrator who said a call was made from SC's landline to Cousin T at 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday August 7, 2019. Somehow I was led to believe it was LE who reported that information. Thanks for clarifying that.

I think its towards the end

 

[annpats]

That's IF SANDRA put the lights on.

As I said in my post, Sandra or someone did.....

But at least that narrows down the time period somewhat...

 

[BostonTimes]

But her house was found with the lights on. So, presuming it goes dark between 18.00hrs to 20.00hrs, then she must've been there then. Or someone was. But if it was an intruder/stranger, why then the lights on?
The lights were on and the air con was running, which states to me she went missing when it was dark, but before she went to bed.

It got dark a little after 8 pm that day.

 

[HarmonyE.]

As I said in my post, Sandra or someone did.....

But at least that narrows down the time period somewhat...

But not necessarily. If she left thinking she'd be back after a couple of hours by which time it would be getting dark, she may have left lights on so she didn't return to a dark house. Or she didn't want leave the dog in a dark house. Or she didn't want anyone to think the house was unoccupied, especially with no car in the driveway. Or maybe, like me, part of her house faced north and/or east and by the afternoon, the sun no longer provided sufficient lighting for her, especially on a cloudy afternoon. The lights in my home office are on every day starting at about 1 pm in the summer, rain or shine. One window faces north, the other faces east.

This is not to say she didn't leave her house after dark, only that the lights could be a big red herring for a number of reasons. I do think the fact that she left the dog indicates that, assuming she left on her own, she did not intend to be gone long. And the fact that she had her shoes and purse with her may well support the idea she left on her own. Assuming of course, she got back into the house after the trip to the mechanic's and Cumby's, something no one has said they saw her do.

 

[BostonTimes]

You said it well - If she left she did not plan to be gone long. Maybe someone that picked her up said let's go for icecream and then we'll come back and get your stuff to sleep over. There is an ice cream place a mile from Sandra. Do not know when the lights when on or if they were staged. That's if Sandra made it home as no one saw her enter the house. Perhaps whoever did this staged the house with the lights on ? Maybe the dog did jump on the bed. All great insight.

 

[HarmonyE.]

You said it well - If she left she did not plan to be gone long. Maybe someone that picked her up said let's go for icecream and then we'll come back and get your stuff to sleep over. There is an ice cream place a mile from Sandra.

I don't know what Sandra did for dinner most nights, but I don't think anyone has mentioned whether there were indications of food prep or clean up in the kitchen. (just the watermelon in the fridge and a diaper in the trash) I'd like to know more about this. I know her daughter said she'd gone grocery shopping earlier in the week, so presumably she had food in the house but it would be helpful to know more about her habits and whether there were any indications she'd prepared a meal for herself. Did she normally eat dinner? What time? Was there a dirty dish or dishes or pots in the sink or dishwasher? A frozen food container in the trash?

This information could be helpful in pinning down time frames a little better. If she always ate around 6 and there is no indication she did so on the day of her disappearance, where was she at 6? Could someone have swung by at some point and suggested she come with him/her/them for dinner?

I know people who live alone don't always make a big deal about dinner, but most people do tend to stick to routines. It would be helpful to know more about Sandra's.

 

[BostonTimes]

Absent an outgoing landline call from Sandra after the time her SIL dropped her off, there is no proof Sandra made it back into the house after dropping her car off. Her SIL says he dropped her off and waved goodbye, but he drove away before she actually entered her house. So a call made by Sandra after the time the SIL he says he dropped her off would be a pretty big deal. However, all indications are she did not call anyone from her landline that day, so it cannot be said with certainty that she ever set foot inside her house after dropping off her car.

I only interject because the narrator of the vanished podcast with no uncertainty said Sandra called her cousin at 5:30. Please listen to that podcast. It is said at the end. The narrator has the vanished podcast page and said it again there. It is quite the important factor!!!

 

[HarmonyE.]

I only interject because the narrator of the vanished podcast with no uncertainty said Sandra called her cousin at 5:30. Please listen to that podcast. It is said at the end. The narrator has the vanished podcast page and said it again there. It is quite the important factor!!!

I know it was said. I just don't think the individual who said it has any inside knowledge about calls. Laina has said LE told her that Sandra made no calls after Tuesday. Backing this up further, her cousin said Sandra didn't call her. There is no reason to think the narrator of a podcast would know better than these two.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

IME podcasters get details wrong. LE can say whatever they want, of course, but I put more stock in what LE reports. I don't think there was an outgoing call after Tuesday.

 

[BostonTimes]

imo - I just don't know. Imho this disappearance smells odd. Contradiction after contradiction if you follow it closely. I would think Laina would correct the narrator at least in the online comment but she has not. So much more to this story. I think its safe to say we all care very much.

 

[Curiosity1234]

IME podcasters get details wrong. LE can say whatever they want, of course, but I put more stock in what LE reports. I don't think there was an outgoing call after Tuesday.

No phone call to SC on Wednesday by SIL to reconfirm what time to meet at mechanics, no phone call from SC to anyone on Wednesday. No phone call to SC on Wednesday by anyone. No one checking on SC on Thursday. It appears that SC isn't the only one who doesn't communicate well as suggested.