MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[Tiff23fr]

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[Curiosity1234]

Lots of red flags. Car accidents, totally dependent, no cell phone or computer/tablet, no debit card, no financial responsibility, no pictures, seems to be cut off from the outside world.
JMO

All these red flags and being isolated from the world is unusual for someone age 54, at least that's MHO.

 

[Curiosity1234]

To go from working on a lobster boat which is a physically demanding job which is evident in Deadliest Catch to being dependent on her father and then daughter and SIL: something happened in between. That's MHO.

 

[BostonTimes]

To go from working on a lobster boat which is a physically demanding job which is evident in Deadliest Catch to being dependent on her father and then daughter and SIL: something happened in between. That's MHO.

The daughter related that Sandra liked to be the amen care of. Also Sandras daughter and son where on the boat. I think she helped but was doing what her husband at the time was doing. The daughter explained Sandra liked yo be taken care of and didn't have many friends. Whatever Sandra got into it didn't include many people. Why and where did Sandra go missing after 5 pm Wednesday 8/7/19. Not many friends, No cell, no computer, no car. Not a rich person by any means and lived in a area that you had to know was there. Her house was is on a dead end behind lots of shrubs isolating it further. Imo its someone close to her. <modsnip - no link>

 

[Curiosity1234]

In my opinion, It's a relative, ex-relative, or someone with close family ties. I definitely think it IS NOT LM (the daughter), SIL (son-in-law), or Cousin T.

 

[detectorhector]

In my opinion, It's a relative, ex-relative, or someone with close family ties. I definitely think it IS NOT LM (the daughter), SIL (son-in-law), or Cousin T.

Why?

 

[Curiosity1234]

Why?

SC relied on her daughter and son-in-law to help her manage things like finances, where to get her car fixed etc.; likewise the daughter and son- in- law relied on SC to baby sit so it was a mutually beneficial relationship for all. Listening to Cousin T talk about SC on The Vanished Episode #269, I can hear how much she loved, respected, and cared about SC. This is just MHO. I think who ever was involved in this disappearance, planned it. This was no spur of the moment incident that's why there's no clues to who it is. The above is just my personal opinion.

 

[annpats]

Don't forget a sheet from the bedroom was missing too. That's really the only suspicious thing, and Sandra's daughter noted it missing when she checked the house.

That's also the same day when she found some 'evidence' under a piece of furniture/wardrobe/cupboard. We have never found out what that is.

Of course we also have the fact that Sandra's daughter was the first person in the house after the alleged incident.

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I'm ruling out suicide. It doesn't fit, IMO. She always lived a life of being look-after, and had no previous attempts or even signs of depression. She was taken care of. She liked looking after her grandchildren. I know some people exhibit no signs, but if she was depressed and suicidal, she could've killed herself in her house. Also, no body or remains have been found in walking distance locally.

An accident while out walking is possible, but unlikely..... there are a few local pond and lakes, but again, no body or remains found, and why would she suddenly go out walking in the evening when it's dark after expecting a call from friend about her visiting? She wasn't a known walker in the evening, or at all.

LE seems to be no wiser as to what actually happened than we do and I think sadly, this may remain a cold case for many years.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Don't forget a sheet from the bedroom was missing too. That's really the only suspicious thing, and Sandra's daughter noted it missing when she checked the house.

That's also the same day when she found some 'evidence' under a piece of furniture/wardrobe/cupboard. We have never found out what that is.

Of course we also have the fact that Sandra's daughter was the first person in the house after the alleged incident.

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I'm ruling out suicide. It doesn't fit, IMO. She always lived a life of being look-after, and had no previous attempts or even signs of depression. She was taken care of. She liked looking after her grandchildren. I know some people exhibit no signs, but if she was depressed and suicidal, she could've killed herself in her house. Also, no body or remains have been found in walking distance locally.

An accident while out walking is possible, but unlikely..... there are a few local pond and lakes, but again, no body or remains found, and why would she suddenly go out walking in the evening when it's dark after expecting a call from friend about her visiting? She wasn't a known walker in the evening, or at all.

LE seems to be no wiser as to what actually happened than we do and I think sadly, this may remain a cold case for many years.

I tend to agree with you that this case doesn't appear to be a suicide. I thought the missing sheet night have been used to disguise SC's body when removing it from the house. It seems like LE is no wiser but you never know. They keep a lot under raps until they have a poi (person of interest) or one or more suspects. You might be right about this being a cold case for years.

 

[Yemelyan]

Of course we also have the fact that Sandra's daughter was the first person in the house after the alleged incident.

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I'm ruling out suicide. It doesn't fit, IMO. She always lived a life of being look-after, and had no previous attempts or even signs of depression. She was taken care of. She liked looking after her grandchildren. I know some people exhibit no signs, but if she was depressed and suicidal, she could've killed herself in her house. Also, no body or remains have been found in walking distance locally.

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me...I don't necessarily think she committed suicide either, but how do you reconcile your statement that she had no signs of depression with the family's statement in the podcast The Vanished that she was so depressed after her father's death that they decided to move her to Hanson because it was no longer a good idea for her to live alone? How do you factor in the statement, again made by family, that Sandra had suffered from episodes of depression (the term used by family was "bits and pieces of depression") throughout her life?

The family's information on this has changed from early days of the case (when they denied depression) until this year, so I understand how this detail could be missed by someone who follows the case. But if you heard the family say she was depressed recently and at more than one episode in the past, how can you then just dismiss it as "not depressed"? Is the family lying about her mental health? I mean, I don't think so, because they don't seem to be pushing the suicide narrative - they seem to be pushing the idea of foul play.

I have a hard time thinking that someone who was responsible for another's disappearance, and did such a good job that the victim vanished off the face of the earth with no leads for the police to follow, would then attempt to escalate the case, look for forensic evidence on their own, and try to get the state bureau of investigation involved on top of the local authority. If I was that person, I'd push a narrative of suicide or that the victim just walked away from their life. I definitely wouldn't keep giving interviews and going on podcasts to raise awareness of the case and push the idea that foul play was involved.

And JMO but I almost think "depression" could be code for some other type of problem in Sandra's life. Or perhaps her family explained her "episodes" by calling them depression when they didn't really know what was going on with her other than that she withdrew from them (you'll remember her daughter's statements that they were not that close after she reached adulthood until she had kids and then Sandra started "coming around" more).

 

[annpats]

how do you reconcile your statement that she had no signs of depression with the family's statement in the podcast The Vanished?

If depression had been a major factor, I'd like to think the family would have mentioned it before. They didn't mention it when she went missing at all. Not to LE or SAR or anyone.

In fact, had she been depressed, why didn't the daughter or SIL go over to her house right away when Sandra's cousin didn't get her telephone call answered?

If the depression had been such a big factor, her disappearance would have been classified as 'endangered missing' and suicide would have been mentioned as more likely by both family and LE.

To mention it months later sounds remiss and not believable. It's clutching at straws.

MOO

 

[Yemelyan]

If depression had been a major factor, I'd like to think the family would have mentioned it before. They didn't mention it when she went missing at all. Not to LE or SAR or anyone.

In fact, had she been depressed, why didn't the daughter or SIL go over to her house right away when Sandra's cousin didn't get her telephone call answered?

If the depression had been such a big factor, her disappearance would have been classified as 'endangered missing' and suicide would have been mentioned as more likely by both family and LE.

To mention it months later sounds remiss and not believable. It's clutching at straws.

MOO

I agree that not mentioning it right away seems off but, respectfully, we don't know what was told to LE and SAR. We only know what was told to us the public. If it's true that depression had been an issue in the past, I'm hopeful that LE has known about this fact from the beginning.

Just a reminder that the identity of the person who dropped Sandra off the last time she was seen was ALSO protectively guarded by the family for over six months. And I'm sure LE was aware of that person's identity. It was the family's wish not to divulge it in the media at that time. Even though there was nothing suspicious about it.

Family has said that the effort to find Sandra in the first days of the investigation was on the same level of resources that LE uses for a missing child. So even though there was no separate "endangered missing" alert, IF what family said about resources is true, it does point to an investment in finding her that goes beyond "54 year old woman isn't seen for a day and a half."

I can't explain why the family didn't check on her later in the day that they were unable to reach her. That wouldn't be the dynamic in my family, especially living so close, but other families are different. We aren't talking about days of being out of touch, however, we are talking about less than 24 hours from the moment she first doesn't answer a call (afternoon on Thursday) to finding that she's not at home (morning on Friday). So, this may go towards what I said in my previous post about the family feeling she had episodes of "depression" when possibly what they meant was that she had times when she wanted to be left alone to her own devices. And then there are various reasons that the desire for that might occur.

 

[Curiosity1234]

SC relied on her daughter and son-in-law to help her manage things like finances, where to get her car fixed etc.; likewise the daughter and son- in- law relied on SC to baby sit so it was a mutually beneficial relationship for all. Listening to Cousin T talk about SC on The Vanished Episode #269, I can hear how much she loved, respected, and cared about SC. This is just MHO. I think who ever was involved in this disappearance, planned it. This was no spur of the moment incident that's why there's no clues to who it is. The above is just my personal opinion.

There is something else I want to add and this is just my personal opinion. Whoever is involved in this disappearance might very well have a shady past.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Sandra’s car was at the mechanic being repaired. So she had no transportation.

No mention that Sandra enjoyed a daily walk. Nothing about her liking to go beyond the perimeters of her home. She was a homebody.

Sandra interacted with very small group of people. Did not go out and introduce herself to neighbors. Just she and her dog.

Sandra had very recently moved into the house.

Random robbery? Didn’t see her car and assumed no one was home? I don’t think so.

Who took advantage of Sandra’s situation?

What did Sandra have that someone wanted?

Had Sandra given money to someone in the past? Did someone seek her out and become enraged that the money situation was now locked down by the daughter?

JMO

 

[Curiosity1234]

I agree that not mentioning it right away seems off but, respectfully, we don't know what was told to LE and SAR. We only know what was told to us the public. If it's true that depression had been an issue in the past, I'm hopeful that LE has known about this fact from the beginning.

Just a reminder that the identity of the person who dropped Sandra off the last time she was seen was ALSO protectively guarded by the family for over six months. And I'm sure LE was aware of that person's identity. It was the family's wish not to divulge it in the media at that time. Even though there was nothing suspicious about it.

Family has said that the effort to find Sandra in the first days of the investigation was on the same level of resources that LE uses for a missing child. So even though there was no separate "endangered missing" alert, IF what family said about resources is true, it does point to an investment in finding her that goes beyond "54 year old woman isn't seen for a day and a half."

I can't explain why the family didn't check on her later in the day that they were unable to reach her. That wouldn't be the dynamic in my family, especially living so close, but other families are different. We aren't talking about days of being out of touch, however, we are talking about less than 24 hours from the moment she first doesn't answer a call (afternoon on Thursday) to finding that she's not at home (morning on Friday). So, this may go towards what I said in my previous post about the family feeling she had episodes of "depression" when possibly what they meant was that she had times when she wanted to be left alone to her own devices. And then there are various reasons that the desire for that might occur.

Besides episodes of depression, SC may have had other underlying issues,

 

[Yemelyan]

Besides episodes of depression, SC may have had other underlying issues,

Yes, I would speculate that this is very possible. Some of these issues the family may think of as "depression."

 

[Curiosity1234]

LE may have been aware that SC had a history of episodes of depression along with other underlying issues, thus the need for an Amber like alert. I don't believe LE would divulge that information to the media or public which could have put her at high risk of being taken advantage of by a stranger.

 

[annpats]

But don't people who are missing and have a history of depression or may be suicidal get called 'endangered missing' by LE?

 

[Yemelyan]

But don't people who are missing and have a history of depression or may be suicidal get called 'endangered missing' by LE?

People who have expressed suicidal ideation would be characterized as endangered missing IMO. I don't know if a history of depression that is not currently clinically or medically managed, or an absence of diagnosed depression but a family's statement of their belief of depressive tendencies, is enough to lead to a formal "endangered missing" alert; however, LE may take these beliefs into consideration in their search. LE will often hold things private that the family wishes to be private, especially if the person is recovered and the situation is a private matter (drug usage, suicide).

Again, we know that this particular family wanted privacy on certain aspects of the investigation. As I mentioned, they wanted the identity of the last person to see Sandra kept private beyond the designation "a family member." And as far as I know, neither Hanson PD or MA State Police "outed" them on this until they were ready to reveal it themselves several months later.

 

[Kittybunny]

SC relied on her daughter and son-in-law to help her manage things like finances, where to get her car fixed etc.; likewise the daughter and son- in- law relied on SC to baby sit so it was a mutually beneficial relationship for all. Listening to Cousin T talk about SC on The Vanished Episode #269, I can hear how much she loved, respected, and cared about SC. This is just MHO. I think who ever was involved in this disappearance, planned it. This was no spur of the moment incident that's why there's no clues to who it is. The above is just my personal opinion.

I admit I have not listened to the podcast. However I do find it interesting that Sandra went missing on the night she was supposed to spend the night with Cousin T. Aren't they a little old for that haha? What happened at these sleepovers? Who knew of these plans? Did Sandra's daughter know? One thing we do agree on is that IF this was foul play, it was planned.

Not sleuthing but just remarking and wondering... I hate wading into the cesspool of social media but maybe I'll take a gander.