MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #2

[Tempura]

I didn't see this til just now. I hear from people on here that dailymail isn't very reliable BUT could explain how she was off guard if she was in fact on her cell phone walking past the cartpath.

Eta: then again the person she was on the phone with would've known something happened right away


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I don't trust Dailymail.

 

[Mevadus]

True it's possible. She did have her cell phone though. I'd think she would have called for a ride had she needed one, but you never know.

Also early on it was reported that she was seen walking on the road and talking on her cell phone.

I'll see if I can find an early article when they had first reported that.

The fact that it was reported Vanessa was WALKING in many of the newspaper articles I have read, is one of those fine details that many have missed, but imo does matter. Even her mother is reported as saying she was going for a walk.

I posted about this in the other thread, but almost everyone on here completely disregarded it and appears to assume she was out running. If Vanessa was in fact seen walking and talking on her cell phone, I think that is a very key detail to this case.

However, I keep reading she was running in posts, and now we are even analyzing distance and speed to certain points. This is why I felt the need to just wait and see what happens.

 

[Tempura]

I would (and did) make the same assumption. The burning is to get rid of something: evidence of the perp and/or making an ID of the victim more difficult. It was no doubt post-mortem.

We really can't assume that. Those are certainly two motives for burning the body postmortem but we don't have any word from LE that she was burned after death yet.

 

[ThinkHard]

From: http://www.fox25boston.com/news/sea...ller-turns-to-sex-offender-registry/424316895

"There are 93 Level One sex offenders in the immediate Princeton area, meaning they are the least likely to reoffend.

There are 215 Leven Two sex offenders and 106 Level Three sex offenders -- the most likely to re-offend.

Sources confirmed to FOX25's Bob Ward investigators are following up with all of them. If they have not provided DNA samples, as required by state law, police are taking fresh DNA swabs and entering it into the database.

It's work that could break open the baffling case."

Yes I'm curious as to where that info is coming from and what towns he has included in that region.

According to the registry there are 48 registered sex offenders in the towns that boarder Princeton, 37 of those being in Leominster.

Apparently the registry info is only account for level 3 offenders? I think that's what someone said....not sure where they are tracking down the data for level 2 and 1. Or again what towns they are actually accounting for but the ones that directly boarder Princeton are: Holden, Rutland, Sterling (wachusett regional district), and hubardston, Leominster, and Westminster.

 

[Mountain man]

No news conferences today. I just searched FB, Twitter, and googled....I'm not seeing anything announced for later today either, as of 5:05pm.

There are band concerts in the center of town every Wednesday in the summer so the speakers seen are for that.

 

[ThinkHard]

The fact that it was reported Vanessa was WALKING in many of the newspaper articles I have read, is one of those fine details that many have missed, but imo does matter. Even her mother is reported as saying she was going for a walk.

I posted about this in the other thread, but almost everyone on here completely disregarded it and appears to assume she was out running. If Vanessa was in fact seen walking and talking on her cell phone, I think that is a very key detail to this case.

However, I keep reading she was running in posts, and now we are even analyzing distance and speed to certain points. This is why I felt the need to just wait and see what happens.

I agree with you, I do think it could be an important piece.

And at least in my mind strengthens the idea she may have been going to meet someone.

I mean I can easily see say "hey mom Going for a walk" and your really walking to meet your friend.

 

[ThinkHard]

There certainly are so many unknowns right now, knowing anyone of which could alter how we view her case. Was she running? Was she walking? What rt did she go? What do her phone records show...etc

The only things I feel fairly certain of at this point, is that VM killer is a local, and very familiar with that particular area.

I would also speculate he's a peer. But go back and forth on how well if at all they may have had an association with her.

 

[ThinkHard]

Also fox 25 boston announced they are "walking the crime scene on the 6 o'clock news.

 

[DexterMorgan]

There certainly are so many unknowns right now, knowing anyone of which could alter how we view her case. Was she running? Was she walking? What rt did she go? What do her phone records show...etc

The only things I feel fairly certain of at this point, is that VM killer is a local, and very familiar with that particular area.

I would also speculate he's a peer. But go back and forth on how well if at all they may have had an association with her.

Idk. Visiting her parents? Was there a older meth head that lives in the area that was always infactuated with her since she was a teen or younger?

Idk. But most rural killers like this are older and Caucasian and has a home near by.

They are usually the more muscular and into hands on mechanics or labor work.

They frequent the bars and most know that the perp is trouble or too alpha male acting to be trusted for relationship purposes.

A perp like this definitely has been in trouble with the law before. Jmo.

 

[Camerabug]

Quoting: Daily Mail Online has learned that a witness spotted Vanessa walking along Brooks Station Road around 1pm – police are focusing their investigation between the hours of 1pm when she left her mother's house and 4pm.
According to the witness Vanessa was talking animatedly on her cell phone and appeared happy and engaged in her conversation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lf-mile-mom-s-home-speaks-best-kid-world.html

 

[Clickbait]

I didn't mean you did. Just whoever opened up that conversation did. Sorry about any confusion.

I was the one who posted something about a community event (a funeral) and I was mistaken.

 

[ThinkHard]

Also fox 25 boston announced they are "walking the crime scene on the 6 o'clock news.

Did anyone see it?

The basic gist of the criminologist that walked it. He said the perp would have visibility for a 1/2 mile in either direction so would have known when he could take his opportunity, and that she was killed there.

I'm sure there are other good pieces, hopefully they'll post a video.

 

[Skyd0g]

I don't use snap chat but if you message someone on it doesn't it disappear quickly? Does anyone know of any other technology ways they could have been in contact for a planned meeting but not have it traced?

In the US, there are logging laws which most likely would mean these would be kept for X amount of years on the server side. The only thing that might not be as easily readable is some sort of encrypted chat. Since I thought her phone wasn't found(unsure), might be a little more difficult to recover but I highly doubt her passwd would be complicated.

 

[ThinkHard]

Idk. Visiting her parents? Was there a older meth head that lives in the area that was always infactuated with her since she was a teen or younger?

Idk. But most rural killers like this are older and Caucasian and has a home near by.

They are usually the more muscular and into hands on mechanics or labor work.

They frequent the bars and most know that the perp is trouble or too alpha male acting to be trusted for relationship purposes.

A perp like this definitely has been in trouble with the law before. Jmo.

What makes you think that's the profile of the perp?

 

[Skyd0g]

If she fought back though she would have been conscious so he would have been dragging a struggling victim who by accounts was likely fighting back and screaming. So that seems like a good distance to drag a fighting victim.

This is why I think it was someone overly strong and not some little scrawny guy even with a weapon. Both girls if connected weren't going to give up easily. Sheer brute force sounds to be a reasonable theory either by hands or a weapon.

 

[Clickbait]

I did notice a change in voice when asked if he knew VM. It was a nervous "no I did not"

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I noticed that as well. There was a definite change in his voice when he answered that particular question. (did he know VM) His voice dropped much lower and seemed to become tighter. I hesitated to mention it before but I wanted to support your observation.

 

[ThinkHard]

Idk. Visiting her parents? Was there a older meth head that lives in the area that was always infactuated with her since she was a teen or younger?

Idk. But most rural killers like this are older and Caucasian and has a home near by.

They are usually the more muscular and into hands on mechanics or labor work.

They frequent the bars and most know that the perp is trouble or too alpha male acting to be trusted for relationship purposes.

A perp like this definitely has been in trouble with the law before. Jmo.

Also there aren't really any meth heads in Princeton (maybe heroine, but not meth), and anyone really shady like the loner type you described would stick out like a sore thumb in Princeton.

 

[ThinkHard]

I noticed that as well. There was a definite change in his voice when he answered that particular question. (did he know VM) His voice dropped much lower and seemed to become tighter. I hesitated to mention it before but I wanted to support your observation.

I also found it a little weird that he mentioned they asked him where he went to school.....it's like he mentioned it in an almost "excuse" sort of way.

I'm not sure that made sense?

I guess I meant it made me wonder if where he went to school gave them further reason to suspect a connection.

Perhaps he knew OF her but wasn't really friends with her so didn't know her directly. Perhaps he had mutual friends with her and that was his hesitation?

 

[DexterMorgan]

What makes you think that's the profile of the perp?

Because. If this happened in the ghettos of Detroit. I would simply have profiled that the killer was a local .................. That lives in the area.

So same thing here.

There are rural profiles and inner city profiles.

So I just picked the basic rural profile for this particular murder case.

But if she was jogging in the ghettos of urban Detroit.

Then my profile of a possible perp would be different. Jmo.

 

[Skyd0g]

Maybe running his DNA a second time before making an arrest?

Why would he give give up his DNA and then do an interview explaining his side of the story and then get arrested. He was obviously a young nervous kid and is probably worried about people going through his stash.