MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #7 *Arrest*

[Kickoff61]

He moved from PR to the US in May.
He had the job with Fed Ex 2 weeks later.That means he was Princeton for 2-3 months depending on the date in May when he got here.
I still have a few questions.
How did he know she would be out running only a half hour after his hood was seen up?.
1) It was a Sunday, I know it was stated he worked weekends, but I doubt on a Sunday, being the Post Office would be closed.
2) If she was seen running on his shift, that would mean he saw her run at around 10.00 allowing time time for him to get back to Fed-Ex. Not 1 pm.
I have an idea, but I would like some others first.

If he wasn't working Sunday, then he took the SUV there to do this, but good question. How would he know when she would be running that day. (to park there at that time)

 

[ForensicMass]

He moved from PR to the US in May.
He had the job with Fed Ex 2 weeks later.That means he was Princeton for 2-3 months depending on the date in May when he got here.
I still have a few questions.
How did he know she would be out running only a half hour after his hood was seen up?.
1) It was a Sunday, I know it was stated he worked weekends, but I doubt on a Sunday, being the Post Office would be closed.
2) If she was seen running on his shift, that would mean he saw her run at around 10.00 allowing time time for him to get back to Fed-Ex. Not 1 pm.
I have an idea, but I would like some others first.

To the first question I simply can't reason it.

Early on I was fairly certain that if Shen was targeted it was by someone with SPECIFIC IMMEDIATE KNOWLEDGE OF HER IMMEDIATE PLAN to run that day. Which is why i thought her store visit at 12 or so could have played a role. Did he see her while she was out? DID SHE see him parked along the road on her return drive to home from the store? I still lean toward him seeing her THAT DAY before this attack, if we are assuming she was targeted.



2)as I understand the circumstance - He was not there for work on the day of the crime- is this further evidence to him targeting? Since he drove all that way when not on the clock?

Curious to hear your thoughts.

 

[mocity]

I'll apologize now if I missed this going through all the threads but what is the theory on when he took her? On the start of her run or on the way back? I was guessing on the way back but if she saw a car and/or man up ahead it seems like she would have gone to the other side? I do this walking my dog just to avoid the situation.

 

[Rocky1]

Trying to envision how this all happened. When did he put his hood down? Was he back and forth from scene to street? The hood up with on one around might have caused PD to stop.

I'll say he put the hood down when he saw her walking towards him. He wanted her to think he was broke down too. That way she would be less suspicious, having less fear to approach.

 

[Fred52]

I think that he punched her in the face, breaking her nose, and that stunned her enough for him to drag her down the path.

And I wonder how he was able to get close to her. Did she come up to him and offer some help? And then he punched her smiling face? Chilling and beyond evil.

 

[ForensicMass]

I think that he punched her in the face, breaking her nose, and that stunned her enough for him to drag her down the path.

Or he punches her in the face, and tried to get her in car, and dazed she ran away, maybe down the path. I could see it either way. Any more evidence for your first way?

 

[Rocky1]

he worked for a third party contractor.

True. I wouldn't have been thinking 3rd party contractor, before now.

 

[Rocky1]

I'll apologize now if I missed this going through all the threads but what is the theory on when he took her? On the start of her run or on the way back? I was guessing on the way back but if she saw a car and/or man up ahead it seems like she would have gone to the other side? I do this walking my dog just to avoid the situation.

We don't know for sure, however, it is the thinking that the timeline makes it hard to believe that she could have been abducted on the way back, because he wouldn't have had time to complete the act before 3 pm.
Just to add, I thought that too, that she would be walking against the traffic, but if that was true, and it happened on the way back, she would have been on the other side of the road from the parked SUV, so no reason to cross the road.

 

[Kickoff61]

If he didn't work Sundays, I don't know how he would know any of her activity for Sunday or whether she would even be visiting.

 

[ForensicMass]

If he didn't work Sundays, I don't know how he would know any of her activity for Sunday or whether she would even be visiting.

He might have seen her routinely on Saturdays. And believed that she actually lived in town,and therefore it might have been a reasonable guess/inference that she might run Sunday as well. ?

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4414412/Cops-make-arrest-murder-Google-executive-jogger.html

Her naked body was found at around 8.20pm in woodlands near the home.*

She had been sexually assaulted, and her hands, feet and part of her head were burned.

 

[Kickoff61]

He might have seen her routinely on Saturdays. And believed that she actually lived in town,and therefore it might have been a reasonable guess/inference that she might run Sunday as well. ?

That could be.

 

[Fred52]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4414412/Cops-make-arrest-murder-Google-executive-jogger.html

Her naked body was found at around 8.20pm in woodlands near the home.*

She had been sexually assaulted, and her hands, feet and part of her head were burned.

Was he dumb enough to keep the clothes at a trophy?

 

[Rocky1]

It could have been very easy to stalk her, being that the Post Office was along her running route, in the same plaza that the bank with the camera is located.

 

[Rocky1]

Was he dumb enough to keep the clothes at a trophy?

MSM reported that her clothes were missing.
After the arrest, it was reported that her clothes were still on, but her pants were pulled down.
I will dig out the report and post it. Give me a few minutes.

 

[Joshua M]

Given that he didn't presumably work around Princeton on Sundays, and given that Vanessa apparently didn't run always just on Sundays...rather than targeting Vanessa specifically, I would say that it's more likely that he's seen female runners on BSR before, and thought that the place he parked on BSR was the best spot (given the grass to the side of the road, and the cart path). BSR looks to me to be quite narrow in terms of places to park off to the side of.

If he was specifically targeting Vanessa, then I would think that he had prior knowledge of her running that day at that time. Given her irregular running patterns, this prior knowledge in my opinion could only have been the result of seeing her earlier that day or weekend and perhaps overhearing something, or seeing her in her running gear earlier that day. Both would be unlikely, which is why I'm leaning towards her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[ForensicMass]

Was he dumb enough to keep the clothes at a trophy?

No- A more recent, direct account was she was clothed but her clothes weren't covering the important parts.

 

[ForensicMass]

Given that he didn't presumably work around Princeton on Sundays, and given that Vanessa apparently didn't run always just on Sundays...rather than targeting Vanessa specifically, I would say that it's more likely that he's seen female runners on BSR before, and thought that the place he parked on BSR was the best spot (given the grass to the side of the road, and the cart path). BSR looks to me to be quite narrow in terms of places to park off to the side of.

If he was specifically targeting Vanessa, then I would think that he had prior knowledge of her running that day at that time. Given her irregular running patterns, this prior knowledge in my opinion could only have been the result of seeing her earlier that day or weekend and perhaps overhearing something, or seeing her in her running gear earlier that day. Both would be unlikely, which is why I'm leaning towards her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I especially like this second paragraph. Could be totally right. Great reasoning.

 

[Rocky1]

I thought everything I read said she was found without clothes on? Has something come out to say that isn't true?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/1...sa-marcotte-in-massachusetts-reports-say.html

Here you go.
Scroll down and you will see the statement from Christina Hager.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vanessa...oyees-killing-while-jogging-in-massachusetts/

 

[Rocky1]

Or he punches her in the face, and tried to get her in car, and dazed she ran away, maybe down the path. I could see it either way. Any more evidence for your first way?

No evidence, just speculation.
I think that because she would have been screaming, and fighting him harder, if she wasn't stunned somehow.
That is why before this knowledge, I thought that he may have been hiding in that gully, to surprise her and ambush.
I wouldn't have thought she wound have came that close to him, as Mocity thought too, but after reading his hood was up, that would have reasoned why he was parked there in her mind.
I think if she saw the back of his head sitting there with no phone against his ear through the back window, she would have crossed the road, if not turned around.
Again,that is knowing what we know now. There wasn't a murder in that town in 30 plus years before this, (excluding the Dentist that was found not guilty of killing his wife) so there was really no reason to believe someone would have been waiting for her, especially in broad daylight.