MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #7 *Arrest*

[Kickoff61]

Earlier on people were speculating whether the killer may have seen her at the restaurant the night before, in Worcester. Is that near his residence?

 

[ForensicMass]

That's right Rocky.

I tried my best to convince you guys otherwise! The simplest answer is usually the best answer and most people are not brilliant.

 

[Rocky1]

Oh, I thought they had searched the pond across the street.

As far as I know, they only searched the pond about 1/2 mile north of the crime scene at 12 brook Station Road.

 

[ForensicMass]

Earlier on people were speculating whether the killer may have seen her at the restaurant the night before, in Worcester. Is that near his residence?

It is nowhere near his current residence, But we don't know if he was living in the same area at the time of the crime yet it has not been determined. But furthermore we do now know that this perpetrator had a direct connection to Princeton and so any connection or familiarity that he had with Vanessa was far more likely to be related to One or many of his frequent visits to Princeton then to a one off a visit to a Worcester restaurant .

 

[Fred52]

Earlier on people were speculating whether the killer may have seen her at the restaurant the night before, in Worcester. Is that near his residence?

He wouldn't have been at the Chophouse.

 

[Rocky1]

I tried my best to convince you guys otherwise! The simplest answer is usually the best answer and most people are not brilliant.

I based my theory on that he had been stalking her for a while, therefore put some planning into this.

 

[ForensicMass]

As far as I know, they only searched the pond about 1/2 mile north of the crime scene at 12 brook Station Road.

If this pond is not near or visible from the road way this would shock me if anything at all was found in there because I would not expect a FedEx driver from Worcester to even know there was a body of water out there if it was simply in the middle of the woods.
Early on in the investigation when police believed it might have been someone very close to the scene who was very familiar with the layout of the land it might have made more sense to search those kinds of places. But now knowing the circumstances of the crime and the person who committed it it seems very unlikely to me that anything would have been turned up too far away from BSR

 

[Kickoff61]

So, he could have seen her running earlier on during his FedEx routes.

 

[ForensicMass]

When I was trying to sort out in my head what a Hispanic guy would be doing for work in Princeton I really could not come up with anything that I felt was correct. I felt like if he was a member of a work crew like a landscaping crew or a roofing crew, that someone would have been aware of that group of people working on their neighbors house or seeing the trucks. None of that made any sense to me.

But now when I go back and analyze what the DA said it becomes eerily obvious -
dAs exact words were that this was someone who "was familiar with the broad geographic area". Who fits the profile better than a delivery driver ????!
It was right under my nose

 

[Rocky1]

If this pond is not near or visible from the road way this would shock me if anything at all was found in there because I would not expect a FedEx driver from Worcester to even know there was a body of water out there if it was simply in the middle of the woods.
Early on in the investigation when police believed it might have been someone very close to the scene who was very familiar with the layout of the land it might have made more sense to search those kinds of places. But now knowing the circumstances of the crime and the person who committed it it seems very unlikely to me that anything would have been turned up too far away from BSR

You can see the pond from the road.
I'm still not convinced he didn't know about that cart path either.

 

[ForensicMass]

So, he could have seen her running earlier on during his FedEx routes.

yes absolutely in fact I would venture to say it is likely that he knew of Vanessa. She regularly ran there during the hours when he was driving. I know a few articles recently have said that she went for runs specifically on Sundays but from the old review of her running apps it is clear that she did not have a particular day that she ran. Runs on the app were completed on Saturdays Sundays Fridays Thursdays, She took long weekends in Princeton the previous September and ran just about every day that she was there. If it is known that he was working there for a period of months before this crime occurred I think it's a fair bet that he was aware of Vanessa. proximity to her home adds serious weight to this theory in my mind. I do get the feeling that he knew where she might be coming from. We know that he did not drive past her and then park there and act disabled because she was not out running yet when the witness first saw his car at the path. I don't think he was there just waiting for any random passerby.

 

[Kickoff61]

I wonder if he has a criminal record in Puerto Rico?
However, it was reported his mother is a police officer there.

 

[Rocky1]

When I was trying to sort out in my head what a Hispanic guy would be doing for work in Princeton I really could not come up with anything that I felt was correct. I felt like if he was a member of a work crew like a landscaping crew or a roofing crew, that someone would have been aware of that group of people working on their neighbors house or seeing the trucks. None of that made any sense to me.

But now when I go back and analyze what the DA said it becomes eerily obvious -
dAs exact words were that this was someone who "was familiar with the broad geographic area". Who fits the profile better than a delivery driver ????!
It was right under my nose

Knowing that employees of UPS have to be bondable, I am assuming that Fed-x is the same. They don't hire people with criminal records. The Insurance companies dictate that.
Although now we know that he has no criminal background. we didn't then, and I was thinking although his DNA wasn't in the system, he still had run-ins with the law.
I would have never guessed a delivery driver from Fed Ex, due to these reasons.

 

[ForensicMass]

Yet another component of this that adds weight to the fact that Vanessa may have been targeted is this:
Witness saw him parked at this particular location at 12:45 PM

consider that if he lived in Worcester at the time he would have had to drive from Worcester up to Princeton and of all places in the whole wide world he pulled over and pretended to be disabled there, right at that spot. Something about that does not add up UNLESS he had a belief that a suitable victim matching his "TYPE" would be coming by.

 

[Kickoff61]

If he had seen her running before, while working, possibly knew where she lived, and planned to go there to do this, it shocks me he would park in plain sight where he did for so long. That part is still difficult for me to get my head around.

But, I suppose FM could have been right earlier on when I think you said he may have tried to abduct her and she ran. Then I brought up her unexpected level of fight earlier on as well. So he may have not planned to be there that long at all , then circumstances led it to be that way.

 

[cvaldez1975]

he worked for a third party contractor.

Knowing that employees of UPS have to be bondable, I am assuming that Fed-x is the same. They don't hire people with criminal records. The Insurance companies dictate that.
Although now we know that he has no criminal background. we didn't then, and I was thinking although his DNA wasn't in the system, he still had run-ins with the law.
I would have never guessed a delivery driver from Fed Ex, due to these reasons.

 

[ForensicMass]

If he had seen her running before, while working, possibly knew where she lived, and planned to go there to do this, it shocks me he would park in plain sight where he did for so long. That part is still difficult for me to get my head around.

But, I suppose FM could have been right earlier on when I think you said he may have tried to abduct her and she ran. Then I brought up her unexpected level of fight earlier on as well. So he may have not planned to be there that long at all , then circumstances led it to be that way.

Good points and yes, I would think this was initially a failed abduction. Could be wrong. But still lean that way.

 

[Rocky1]

yes absolutely in fact I would venture to say it is likely that he knew of Vanessa. She regularly ran there during the hours when he was driving. I know a few articles recently have said that she went for runs specifically on Sundays but from the old review of her running apps it is clear that she did not have a particular day that she ran. Runs on the app were completed on Saturdays Sundays Fridays Thursdays, She took long weekends in Princeton the previous September and ran just about every day that she was there. If it is known that he was working there for a period of months before this crime occurred I think it's a fair bet that he was aware of Vanessa. proximity to her home adds serious weight to this theory in my mind. I do get the feeling that he knew where she might be coming from. We know that he did not drive past her and then park there and act disabled because she was not out running yet when the witness first saw his car at the path. I don't think he was there just waiting for any random passerby.

He moved from PR to the US in May.
He had the job with Fed Ex 2 weeks later.That means he was Princeton for 2-3 months depending on the date in May when he got here.
I still have a few questions.
How did he know she would be out running only a half hour after his hood was seen up?.
1) It was a Sunday, I know it was stated he worked weekends, but I doubt on a Sunday, being the Post Office would be closed.
2) If she was seen running on his shift, that would mean he saw her run at around 10.00 allowing time time for him to get back to Fed-Ex. Not 1 pm.
I have an idea, but I would like some others first.

 

[ForensicMass]

Trying to envision how this all happened. When did he put his hood down? Was he back and forth from scene to street? The hood up with on one around might have caused PD to stop.

 

[Rocky1]

Good points and yes, I would think this was initially a failed abduction. Could be wrong. But still lean that way.

I think that he punched her in the face, breaking her nose, and that stunned her enough for him to drag her down the path.