MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #3

[FindHG]

Community on edge as Marcotte murder investigation continue
Juli McDonald, WCBV 5, Aug 29, 2016 reports

'the State Police's Intel Unit'

"called the Fusion Center prioritizes the calls by what seems most credible and then quote "Numerous investigative actions are being taken every day."


In wake of Princeton murder, people seek self-defense skills
By Peter Jasinski, Sentinel and Enterprise.
08/30/2016 10:06:39 am

"There are all these different aspects and things you hear about with people being concerned for their safety, but the scenarios of how they were approached or how they were attacked are all often very similar," he said. "The basic principle when you're being attacked is to find a release and get to an escape point."

 

[ThinkHard]

Community on edge as Marcotte murder investigation continue
Juli McDonald, WCBV 5, Aug 29, 2016 reports

'the State Police's Intel Unit'

"called the Fusion Center prioritizes the calls by what seems most credible and then quote "Numerous investigative actions are being taken every day."


In wake of Princeton murder, people seek self-defense skills
By Peter Jasinski, Sentinel and Enterprise.
08/30/2016 10:06:39 am

"There are all these different aspects and things you hear about with people being concerned for their safety, but the scenarios of how they were approached or how they were attacked are all often very similar," he said. "The basic principle when you're being attacked is to find a release and get to an escape point."

If your being grabbed by your arms, always twist your wrist toward their thumbs as is the weakest point on someone's grasp. My dad use to make me practice "breaking away" like this since I was a little girl.

 

[carbuff]

That's West Boylston Street not 140, in West Boylston where it meets 190. I'm not sure I follow though why Worcester people would go to that gas station to get to the Mountain though, or to pass it to go hiking as it wouldn't really be on the way to either. If think if you were going Worcester to Princeton you'd either take 290 to 190 past that exit and get off at either exit 5 or exit 6 both in Sterling. Or you'd go through Holden down 31.

Though I suppose you could go out West Boylston street to where it meets up with 140 by the reservoir. But if think only locals would go that way, and only if they were coming from the burncoat side of Worcester or the Worcester/ west Boylston line.

We take a Sunday drive out there about every other weekend to get breakfast sandwhiches at mountain side market, and usually drive back roads cause it's more scenic.

Well, the friends who told me to go that way work in the Burncoat area, so that could explain it. We live down near 290/495 junction, so going via 140 is fairly convenient for us. We're usually heading to the hiking trails on the back side of the mountain, off Westminster Road. Like I said, haven't been there for a couple of years, so my memory is a bit rusty.

And no, it isn't directly on the way to anywhere, but if we need gas on the way home, it's less out of the way than Holden

 

[ThinkHard]

Well, the friends who told me to go that way work in the Burncoat area, so that could explain it. We live down near 290/495 junction, so going via 140 is fairly convenient for us. We're usually heading to the hiking trails on the back side of the mountain, off Westminster Road. Like I said, haven't been there for a couple of years, so my memory is a bit rusty.

And no, it isn't directly on the way to anywhere, but if we need gas on the way home, it's less out of the way than Holden

Coming from the 290/495 junction your best rt to the mountain wouldn't be to go through Worcester or get on 190 at all. It would actually be quickest to get of 290 where it meets 140 in Boylston. There is a gas station right there at that exit. It's exit 23 (there's an A and B, one sends you toward shrewsbury one toward Boylston.) it's also the exit where the Dragon 88 is. A

Also as soon as you get off that exit and go down 140 a bit you get a direct view of wachusett mountain.

Is this the exit you meant? 290/140 junction rather the 190/140 junction?

 

[carbuff]

Coming from the 290/495 junction your best rt to the mountain wouldn't be to go through Worcester or get on 190 at all. It would actually be quickest to get of 290 where it meets 140 in Boylston. There is a gas station right there at that exit. It's exit 23 (there's an A and B, one sends you toward shrewsbury one toward Boylston.) it's also the exit where the Dragon 88 is. A

Also as soon as you get off that exit and go down 140 a bit you get a direct view of wachusett mountain.

Is this the exit you meant? 290/140 junction rather the 190/140 junction?

No. That's practically my back yard

It really doesn't matter. My only point was yes, there aren't a lot of direct routes to anywhere from Princeton.

 

[ThinkHard]

No. That's practically my back yard

It really doesn't matter. My only point was yes, there aren't a lot of direct routes to anywhere from Princeton.

Agreed! Which would make tracking down any applicable surveillance footage from a gas station incredibly challenges. Without know which directions out of Princeton the guy was headed, if he needed gas at all, he could have gone to a very large range of directions and locations as no one place is close enough to be the "likely" option.

 

[Steleheart]

My hunch is the burns are from a blow torch that would have given him controlled flame to target specific areas.

The "burn" marks on the tree high up would also be consistent with burning by a blow torch....

However it's also possible she was burnt somewhere else and her body was dumped after the fact.

It feels personally though, almost like they wanted to wipe away her identity because they couldn't stand to see what they had done to her.

Those old trees were dead long ago. Look at the lost bark below the scorch marks.

Can anyone show me BLOWTORCH evidence or is that just creative Imagineering?

Seriously. Asking. Not snarkiing but as a sleuth I think that theories should be based on available evidence.

+Based on the evidence. "she had burns to her feet, hands and head". What else we got?

Shamshak? Please

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/tips-for-princeton-jogger-murder-now-at-750/424956289


He's a hack.

:cow:

 

[ThinkHard]

Those old trees were dead long ago. Look at the lost bark below the scorch marks.

Can anyone show me BLOWTORCH evidence or is that just creative Imagineering?

Seriously. Asking. Not snarkiing but as a sleuth I think that theories should be based on available evidence.

+Based on the evidence. "she had burns to her feet, hands and head". What else we got?

Shamshak? Please

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/tips-for-princeton-jogger-murder-now-at-750/424956289


He's a hack.

:cow:

Of course those tree branches they show with what appears to me scorch marks have been dead a LONG time, that's very obvious. However that doesn't make the scorch marks old, those marks do not look like smoke lines from a fire that would have been below it, the look more linear and controlled and they look like scorch marks from a blow torch would on a piece of wood. (Speaking from personal experience...I once had a job that in part was maintenance work and a blow torch was a frequent tool)

The reason the blowtorch also seems highly plossible to me is it is one of the few methods that would have given the perp the ability to control the flame....therefor not alerting attention that a fire would, or catch the dry forest on fire, and it would also give him the precision of burning select areas on her body.

Honestly my first thought when I saw the markings on the tree, was that it looked to me like the perp was testing the strength of the flame on the wood before taking it to her.

 

[Lawdini01234]

Those old trees were dead long ago. Look at the lost bark below the scorch marks.

Can anyone show me BLOWTORCH evidence or is that just creative Imagineering?

Seriously. Asking. Not snarkiing but as a sleuth I think that theories should be based on available evidence.

+Based on the evidence. "she had burns to her feet, hands and head". What else we got?

Shamshak? Please

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/tips-for-princeton-jogger-murder-now-at-750/424956289


He's a hack.

:cow:

Just commenting on the 'lost bark' ..when I first saw the picture, IIRC in thread #1, I was thinking that bark was removed as evidence/testing for possible accelerants.


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[DatelineFan]

Doesnt Snapchat disappear after a certain period of time? I was thinking 24 hours it not sure---honking that is why it's popular with people not wanting to leave trails for parents, spouses, etc to find. Of course,milennials use it for other than nefarious reasons too....idk never used it, my stepdaughter uses it a lot.

Yes, for users it disappears. However, Snapchat logs everything for a period of time. LE is able to track, if necessary.

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[carbuff]

I'm not even convinced those are burn marks. Sometimes trees have black stuff like lichen growing on them, and sometimes the wood underneath rotting bark is discolored. Could be burnt. Might not be.

 

[ThinkHard]

I'm not even convinced those are burn marks. Sometimes trees have black stuff like lichen growing on them, and sometimes the wood underneath rotting bark is discolored. Could be burnt. Might not be.

Spent A LOT of time in the woods all my life. And lots of experience building camp fires. To my eyes those marks looked like burn marks, not anything organic.

 

[carbuff]

They certainly could be. But on the other hand, we heard about burning so we expect to see burn marks. And that's not the world's clearest picture, either.

 

[OldSteve]

Any chance the burn marks could be from a lightening strike? I know it will blast bark off of trees and it can start fires... What is tricky is that LE is not telling us anything more about the burn marks, and they probably know allot more...

 

[ThinkHard]

Does anyone know where the video is of the guy who picks up the tiny bottles of alcohol and throws them back down...in it he walks the crime scene and its this video that shows "burn marks" up on a tree? I'm trying to find it and having trouble.

There is a still floating around of investigators hunched down over trees, and their is a dead birch laying on its side next to them with black rings...those are definitely not burn marks on that tree and that's just organic material in the tree, but in the video they show a different kind of dead tree with no bark that did appear to be burn marks....and wanted to find the video to take a closer look.

 

[compassionate]

I think it was a Greta Van Sustern clip, ThinkHard. He said he was in the spot, but it was so close to the road, I do not think he really was. The best photos I remember were Bob Wards but he took them down after complaints. And you are right I think I got the distance numbers confused. I am going to go with 30 yards, which is about 100 feet. I remember thinking it was about the length of a football field. Good Morning, and appreciate your comments

 

[kkricket]

Here is the Greta video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iG2fnbfa8E

 

[jowens73]

I don't think they show anything in the Greta Video. This link has SOME photos...
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/08/investigators_back_searching_t.html

 

[ThinkHard]

Hmm now I'm trying to remember where those images came from....they don't show it in that video nor in the photos attached to the article....but I do remember seeing them....there was a big branch thing sticking up from the ground that appeared to have burn marks and on the ground a circular area that appeared to be singed and some speculated it could have been where he burned her clothes, but it was also mentioned the police moved that dirt around looking for evidence so perhaps it looked dark from that and not burned at all......anyone else remember this? And these photos?

 

[kirus]

This is interesting
http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_30312626/police-man-van-approached-shirley-jogger?source