MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #4

[Camerabug]

Wow this is great thanks!

This isn't my work. I forget who originally did all the work on these photos, but I grabbed them in case they disappeared. Kudos to the creator! We are so far in now that many folks haven't seen these original photos from earlier threads, so I dug them out..
Original creators..take the credit that is your due!

 

[ThinkHard]

she did that day though...a msn reporter walked us through it...looking for link now..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iG2fnbfa8E&app=desktop

Yes I know that day she did. But how would someone else use or rely on year old data to stalk their victim? That is the part I can't see at all and must respectfully though strongly disagree with. If a stalker is so committed to his prey that he is going to get time alone with her, he has more then year old data to aide him in his stalking. Perhaps a year ago it may have been how he tracked her, but his method would have to have changed as well to continue stalking her in my opinion. I justdon't see him planning out a crime with such detail but also relying on old Information to do so.

 

[Camerabug]

More photos I found. View down BSR and entrance to cart path

 

[Camerabug]

I wonder if she could have been tied with her hands above her head to that tree when he burned her? Then dragged her body into the foliage after?

It looks as though she must have been seated to have that be the case. The burn marks are low on the tree and the news person points in a downward direction toward the burn marks. I have a photo but it's telling me there is a file formatting error...

 

[Camerabug]

Yes I know that day she did. But how would someone else use or rely on year old data to stalk their victim? That is the part I can't see at all and must respectfully though strongly disagree with. If a stalker is so committed to his prey that he is going to get time alone with her, he has more then year old data to aide him in his stalking. Perhaps a year ago it may have been how he tracked her, but his method would have to have changed as well to continue stalking her in my opinion. I justdon't see him planning out a crime with such detail but also relying on old Information to do so.

Maybe he was watching her leave? Is that why he needed a vehicle? All speculation and not an attempt to argue with you, ThinkHard. We just haven't had a good explanation for why he would have risked using a vehicle, but maybe not knowing which run she was going to take was why he needed to have one on hand. He knew where he was going to kill her, and how...just needed to have his timing right..all speculation and jmo..

 

[Camerabug]

There is one huge contradiction to my last post though, which is that on this thread, early on, a witness stated he/she saw VM running near a car driving slowly. When he/she went back she was gone.

Does anyone remember what thread that was on?

https://youtu.be/4iG2fnbfa8E

 

[Camerabug]

I remember it, it was a guy on a news video who said it. Ido t know if it was written down in any articles though.

This plus the 3pm car sighting are part of the reason I think it's possible she could have known him, been picked up in his car, something terrible happened, and he was forced to think quick in order to get rid of the body
, and ends up back there dumping her at 3pm. Accounting for both the 1ish siting of a girl and a car, then just a girl.....and the 3pm sighting if just the car.

https://youtu.be/4iG2fnbfa8E
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lf-mile-mom-s-home-speaks-best-kid-world.html

 

[JEF]

Thanks Camerabug. The pics are amazing.

 

[Camerabug]

Found this in thread 2-a map of the 4 routes VM ran when in Princeton
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-2&p=12755024#post12755024

 

[Camerabug]

Credit goes to sunsetbeach for the screengrab and work with the arrows and comments to important areas on the photo

link to view the video of this walk of the crime scene: go to the old post and click on the fox25 link to view.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-2&p=12756457#post12756457

 

[Camerabug]

Found the last set of screen grabs...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-2&p=12756688#post12756688

these show a close up of burn patterns on the trees the fox 25 newsman is pointing at.

 

[Camerabug]

Perhaps the most grisly photo: originally posted by mevadus at the link below..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-2&p=12756714#post12756714

 

[JEF]

Again - amazing stuff. What is the dark object in the foreground? Is that a burnt tree?

Perhaps the most grisly photo: originally posted by mevadus at the link below..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-2&p=12756714#post12756714

 

[ThinkHard]

Maybe he was watching her leave? Is that why he needed a vehicle? All speculation and not an attempt to argue with you, ThinkHard. We just haven't had a good explanation for why he would have risked using a vehicle, but maybe not knowing which run she was going to take was why he needed to have one on hand. He knew where he was going to kill her, and how...just needed to have his timing right..all speculation and jmo..

Possible of course. But an alternative could be that he was a friend who picked her up and was not intending to kill her but somehow snapped and had to cover up what he had done. My thinking is it would explain why he could have had a disregard for her being in it in the first place....he didn't intend to have a reason to be worried about DNA.

Perhaps PD should check any reported stolen vehicles or recently sold in the area that match descriptions they have been given.

 

[JEF]

In the FOX video (which is mostly tv-time filler except for the witness) Williams states the car spotted was ahead of Marcotte. The witness, whom I strongly believe posted much the same thing on this forum at some point, drove to the end of the road and turned around. Vanessa was gone but the car was still driving. To me that suggests Vanessa was taken then but not by that car. We know Vanessa struggled with her killer at some point. If the killer is someone she doesn't know, no way is she getting put into a car without a fight. That struggle would likely have still been going on after the few minutes it took the witness to turn around and go back. The car would at the very least have had to stop and get her inside and lock the door. If the killer was driving the car and was someone she knew, there has to have been some pretty serious ruse for her to interrupt her run shortly before she's got to catch a bus to NYC. I run and I would never go off with a friend or acquaintance spontaneously like that unless it was an emergency. And again - once she's in that car, the killer is going to get out of there and move to site #2. Also, if the killer is driving that car and now has her inside he's probably going to notice the witness's car driving slowly either in front of or behind him. Even more reason to leave the scene and not pull onto private property in the immediate vicinity.

So if the witness is credible, maybe the killer waited until the car in front of her was out of sight then dragged her into the woods. Maybe his car is parked nearby but out of sight (cemetery, elsewhere), or maybe it's out of sight further down the cart path off BSR. That would be risking tire treads, which are like fingerprints, but it's certainly possible. But based on the pics, it seems to me the killing happened there. Those burns are about more than covering up DNA. I think those photos suggest fire, and possibly ritualistic use of fire, is indeed part of the killer's signature.

My guess is the car driving ahead of Vanessa was driven by the witness who has reported her talking on her cell. I don't think that person is connected with the crime. I also do believe a car is involved in some way. By now they've probably checked into nearby property owners and cleared them.

 

[Steleheart]

It appears to be mostly dirt there so it would explain why the fire wouldn't have neccasarily caught other things on fire and even burned out if left unattended.

There was no fire in that spot.

It is, in fact mostly dirt. But even if this "Blow Torch" was the tool, why didn't the green vegetation at least turn yellow? Brown? In a drought like we are in and have been since before this crime, even underground roots can catch fire and travel long distance.

There was no fire that day in my opinion.

 

[ThinkHard]

There was no fire in that spot.

It is, in fact mostly dirt. But even if this "Blow Torch" was the tool, why didn't the green vegetation at least turn yellow? Brown? In a drought like we are in and have been since before this crime, even underground roots can catch fire and travel long distance.

There was no fire that day in my opinion.

So you think the rumors she was burnt are totally bogus?

 

[Steleheart]

So you think the rumors she was burnt are totally bogus?

IMO All rumors are bogus unless verified.

As far as we know she had burns to her hands, feet and head.

This one says "Part of her head" Which part? Rumor. I have heard, face, hair, ears, etc, OY!!
SO the only facts are hands, feet and head, AFAIK

http://www.wcvb.com/news/what-to-kn...yee-killed-jogging-in-princeton-mass/41107360


If the scuttlebutt around town says otherwise you gotta prove it for me to sleuth it.

If it says otherwise then call the tip line. Maybe there's something to it!

 

[ThinkHard]

IMO All rumors are bogus unless verified.

As far as we know she had burns to her hands, feet and head.

This one says "Part of her head" Which part? Rumor. I have heard, face, hair, ears, etc, OY!!
SO the only facts are hands, feet and head, AFAIK

http://www.wcvb.com/news/what-to-kn...yee-killed-jogging-in-princeton-mass/41107360


If the scuttlebutt around town says otherwise you gotta prove it for me to sleuth it.

If it says otherwise then call the tip line. Maybe there's something to it!

But we know something on her was burned, so how can you say you don't think there was any fire? Multiple times we have heard from MSM she was burnt....that has ZERO to do with some mythical local rumor your theorizing.

I don't think someone built a fire, but obviously some type of flame/fire burned her to some extent. So some type of flame had to exist to burn her, one would think.

So In your mind what do you think caused the burns to her? Or do you just believe she wasn't actually burned at all? I'm confused.

 

[Camerabug]

There was no fire in that spot.

It is, in fact mostly dirt. But even if this "Blow Torch" was the tool, why didn't the green vegetation at least turn yellow? Brown? In a drought like we are in and have been since before this crime, even underground roots can catch fire and travel long distance.

There was no fire that day in my opinion.

The last photo I posted from Mevadus upthread at post #332 appears to be the site you are referring to BEFORE the police removed all the material for evidence. It may be a little known fact that DNA can survive fire and while it can become degraded, sometimes enough can be collected to identify a suspect. That is why all the material was taken right down to the dirt that you reference. Just my 2 cents, of course..