MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #4

[The Farm]

DNA from one of the Perp's family members

Yes that and just singleing out males in town. But there are those that choose not to give their DNA because they just do not want to be in the system. Or they might have another crime under their belts that has nothing to do with Vanessa and will choose not to. So I suppose it does serve some purpose now that I think of it but the will the real killer step forward??? I do not think so.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes that and just singleing out males in town. But there are those that choose not to give their DNA because they just do not want to be in the system. Or they might have another crime under their belts that has nothing to do with Vanessa and will choose not to. So I suppose it does serve some purpose now that I think of it but the will the real killer step forward??? I do not think so.

And not will his family, whose DNA would theoretically display some markers.
But it will come out anyway. They need to do the right thing. And they must know that.

 

[Steleheart]

Yes that and just singleing out males in town. But there are those that choose not to give their DNA because they just do not want to be in the system. Or they might have another crime under their belts that has nothing to do with Vanessa and will choose not to. So I suppose it does serve some purpose now that I think of it but the will the real killer step forward??? I do not think so.

I wonder if part of the strategy there is that in a small town high profile murder it is easier to classify the refusals into groups like moral, political, legal and combinations.

I remember in the Jessica Ridgeway case this random voluntary sampling was done and Austin Sigg had submitted his sample believing that he had hidden his DNA,. He wasn't arrested right away because there was a backlog or some such. It wasn't until his mother called them that they retook his DNA and found the match to the previous assault on an older girl.

 

[Kickoff61]

They will get him.

 

[FindHG]

They will get him.

Agreed. He made mistakes.

 

[The Farm]

I wonder if part of the strategy there is that in a small town high profile murder it is easier to classify the refusals into groups like moral, political, legal and combinations.

I remember in the Jessica Ridgeway case this random voluntary sampling was done and Austin Sigg had submitted his sample believing that he had hidden his DNA,. He wasn't arrested right away because there was a backlog or some such. It wasn't until his mother called them that they retook his DNA and found the match to the previous assault on an older girl.

My daughter was living very close to where Jessica was murdered and when I went out to visit she brought me by where her body that he tossed was found. There was a memorial set up at the spot. I remember being so scared until he was caught and do remember something about the DNA. Seems there are so many of these cases I just can't remember them all.

 

[ThinkHard]

Although Vanessa's family's surname may be of French origin, Marcotte is also an Italian surname. I've seen it on Ancestry immigration records when researching my own surname. Perhaps it's a misspelling of the original Italian name, but I have seen it. Just an fyi.

Perhaps but in Vanessa's case it is French. She is Italian on her mothers side.

 

[ThinkHard]

JEF I'm confused where you think the body was found? Can you show us on a map where you think her body was found?

 

[Forager]

Original Post by JEF
As for the cart path, I think the way it's being explained is confusing because I misunderstood which path was being referred to. When I've used it, I've meant the path where the body was found, which is in No Way related to the path at the end of Connor Lane at this point. That path (where the body was found) ends not far off Brooks Station Road. It is overgrown. A car could drive down it a short distance.

I think I see what you are saying. So path where she was found is off of Brooks Station Rd.. Is it not part of Connor Lane or it is the beginning of Connor Lane? And is the cemetery further down this path and/or lane, but close?

Sorry, I am editing this now, after re-reading what you said. You say the path 'ends' not far off Brooks Station Rd. and then overgrown. So not part of Connor lane?

This is the way I'm figuring the location where the body was found, about 100 feet down a short "cart track" - an unpaved track that goes perpendicularly from the highway toward the southeast. Close by, there is also a much longer unfinished, somewhat overgrown road (I have it in yellow as "Connor Lane extention") that runs north to become "Conner Lane." Google maps only shows the upper portion (paved?) of the lane, but the rest of it is visible in Google's satellite view. You can see old drywall stone fences to either side of it. But I've never been there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Map link: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=10h5GSiMVTLDNlOKN-8IJpJ59Ao0

 

[JEF]

Maybe Forager can help - I don't do maps and I'm not home right now.

The body was found on an overgrown "path" wide enough for a car to drive down. The "path" is off Brooks Station Road approximately half a mile from Vanessa's home. The path is on the right hand side of BSR if VM was running toward the cemetery, Boylston St., etc. That location has been reported and filmed by MSM. It has been reported by MSM that the body was found about 30 yards in on the left hand side of that "path."

The body was not found at the end of any path on Connors Lane.

JEF I'm confused where you think the body was found? Can you show us on a map where you think her body was found?

 

[ThinkHard]

Forager

I think that looks about right. The thing is there aren't two path openings there, only one. So I think what you see as an open path is one and the same as the old access to the non used and overgrown end of Connors lane.

And yes that is stone wall along the old road. There are a whole lot of those around here. Not sure if your from the northeast, but when farmers cleared fields of rock they'd then use those stones to build a rock walll. No masonry or mortar though, just stacked rock walls.

 

[Forager]

Forager

I think that looks about right. The thing is there aren't two path openings there, only one. So I think what you see as an open path is one and the same as the old access to the non used and overgrown end of Connors lane.

And yes that is stone wall along the old road. There are a whole lot of those around here. Not sure if your from the northeast, but when farmers cleared fields of rock they'd then use those stones to build a rock walll. No masonry or mortar though, just stacked rock walls.

Thanks for that response. I'm correcting the map to reflect your report. I'm deleting what I'd thought was a short road perpendicular to the highway (the one in blue, in the screenshot below, till I delete it) and moving the icon for "VM body found" from where it was (in blue) to the new location (with a red icon). map link: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=10h5GSiMVTLDNlOKN-8IJpJ59Ao0



Dry walls like those have a fascinating history. With way more livestock moving around back then, and rocky fields, but no buildozers or barbed wire, farmers spent a huge amount of time moving and stacking those rocks.

 

[The Farm]

Forager

I think that looks about right. The thing is there aren't two path openings there, only one. So I think what you see as an open path is one and the same as the old access to the non used and overgrown end of Connors lane.

And yes that is stone wall along the old road. There are a whole lot of those around here. Not sure if your from the northeast, but when farmers cleared fields of rock they'd then use those stones to build a rock walll. No masonry or mortar though, just stacked rock walls.

On a lighter note I love rock walls.

 

[The Farm]

On a lighter note I love rock walls.

Actually I have always called them stone walls.:moo:

 

[The Farm]

Although Vanessa's family's surname may be of French origin, Marcotte is also an Italian surname. I've seen it on Ancestry immigration records when researching my own surname. Perhaps it's a misspelling of the original Italian name, but I have seen it. Just an fyi.

I once knew a woman married to a Marcotte and they were french. I bet though that there is something in Italian that is similar.

 

[Coleraine]

In western MA where I live, Marcotte is a familiar name of Canadian-French origin. A few pages back, a poster had commented that s/he knew an Italian Marcotte family and another poster had noted that this was interesting because Marcotte is a French surname. I was simply pointing out that it can also be an Italian surname, too. But honestly, I'm not sure why the ethnic origin of the Marcotte name had come up. I think I must have missed a few posts.

 

[Kickoff61]

Sorry, but it seems odd that it keeps changing and getting difficult to narrow down where she was found and the issue with the path. But we also don't have it confirmed whether to be primary or secondary crime scene.

 

[FindHG]

Barnestorming: Brutality of murders impossible to fathom
By George Barnes, Worcester Telegram
Oct 16 16, 7:05 pm

"Every morning I drive down Route 140 through East Princeton I see a sign that reads "Justice for Vanessa."

Every time I look at the sign, I think of 27-year-old Vanessa Marcotte, and I just don't understand. How could anyone do such a horrible thing to that young woman. What kind of monster could commit such an awful crime?

[...]

In Leominster where she grew up, many friends who attended a vigil following her death said what a wonderful young woman she was. On the day she was heartlessly killed, she was out for a run in the neighborhood near her mother's home. It was during that run she

had a fatal encounter with an evil monster. No one has been arrested, but police are still asking anyone who recalls anything unusual on that day to come forward."

[...]

 

[Kickoff61]

Barnestorming: Brutality of murders impossible to fathom
By George Barnes, Worcester Telegram
Oct 16 16, 7:05 pm

"Every morning I drive down Route 140 through East Princeton I see a sign that reads "Justice for Vanessa."

Every time I look at the sign, I think of 27-year-old Vanessa Marcotte, and I just don't understand. How could anyone do such a horrible thing to that young woman. What kind of monster could commit such an awful crime?

[...]

In Leominster where she grew up, many friends who attended a vigil following her death said what a wonderful young woman she was. On the day she was heartlessly killed, she was out for a run in the neighborhood near her mother's home. It was during that run she

had a fatal encounter with an evil monster. No one has been arrested, but police are still asking anyone who recalls anything unusual on that day to come forward."

[...]

It is heart breaking. Horrific. This person has acted on evil and doubled up on it covering things up in such a vicious way. He must be stopped.

 

[FindHG]

It is heart breaking. Horrific. This person has acted on evil and doubled up on it covering things up in such a vicious way. He must be stopped.

"Doubled up on it covering things up." How, just to refresh my perspective, if I may ask? Fresh eyes perspective always helps. How do you see the doubling up?