MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #5

[ForensicMass]

That was leaked before the FBI got on it and they went silent. We do not know the content of the 1,000 tips.

Ok, true. But still, unlikely that we would have heard about TWO tips on BSR before we heard about any tips on the neighboring roads. presumably had those tips been made around that time we would have heard about those as well

 

[Kickoff61]

I agree. But I do not think he got her into the vehicle. I think he may have tried. Or he got her in there but she immediately escaped. She may have pretended to pass out, then bolted - pure spec here.
I think if a vehicle involved, as the police have made clear they believe is the case, that the INTENT was to remove her from the area. It's just that the plan did not work.

I see what you are saying, but just as you say someone in the area would have disposed her somewhere else, a person as you are speculating from out of the area with plans to take her, very well could have still taken her away after the act too (with the car right there) instead of leaving her there.

 

[Inthedetails]

Regarding the theory that the perp wanted her found, IF that is the case, then I think we have a serial killer as the perp.

Perhaps he was proud of his work, or disgusted and wanted the world to see how disgusting he is. Maybe he likes to watch the reaction and coverage of his crimes. Or, maybe he is sending a message that women should be treated like dirt and defiled. Or maybe he is experienced enough with crime that he enjoys taunting LE and the public by committing an unsolvable crime in the midst of a serene community.

Arsonists sometimes like to watch the fires they start burn. Perhaps this perp is someone with similar traits.

I'm not convinced he wanted her found, but the fact is that she was found rather quickly and not far from where she was taken from her route. He didn't dump her far away, but close. LE found her within hours of her being reported missing. He could've picked a more secluded place - even in the woods next to where he left her - but he didn't.

Just brainstorming the case for yet another round of speculation....jmopinion

 

[ForensicMass]

I find it very difficult to believe the vehicle was parked there throughout doing this in addition to time there if he chose to take the next act of covering up after he realized her fighting left his DNA behind.

I guess that is a sticking point.

And hard to believe someone was traveling through town who decided to spontaneously do this in this way as well with the means to do it in that particular location.

Good post. You're right. Weighing leaving the car vs leaving the DNA. He had to make a decision if he was in fact in a car.

I agree it's hard to believe there was a wacko traveling through town. BUT - we only have two possibilities here. Local, non-local. I know it doesn't seem likely that a random killer might be passing through. But isn't it equally unlikely that a murderous wacko was also living in or near this picturesque place and decided to commit this crime- one that has virtually NEVER before happened here? To me, local or not, we are dealing with something seriously unusual here. An abnormality. An ANOMALY.

 

[ForensicMass]

I see what you are saying, but just as you say someone in the area would have disposed her somewhere else, a person as you are speculating from out of the area with plans to take her, very well could have still taken her away after the act too (with the car right there) instead of leaving her there.

That's true. Why not take her if you have a car. This is something my theory had not considered and is a good question. It could be a solid knock against the car scenario. For the devils advocate, help me theorize about why someone with a car at the scene would NOT remove her body from the area?

 

[Inthedetails]

That's true. Why not take her if you have a car. This is something my theory had not considered and is a good question. It could be a solid knock against the car scenario. For the devils advocate, help me theorize about why someone with a car at the scene would NOT remove her body from the area?

He wanted her found.

He got scared and wanted to get rid of the body asap.

 

[Inthedetails]

While I'm still leaning toward crime of opportunity that wasn't planned in advance against VANESSA, I am starting to wonder if it was planned in advance in anticipation of meeting the opportunity.

In other words, a fantasy acted out and/or a routine that he has followed in the past.

total speculation, thinking aloud.

 

[Rocky1]

Can you link to this picture that shows the ash?

Here you go.
Pause at the 1:20 time stamp, and look at the lower right corner of the screen.
It looks like fresh ash to me.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/08/09/community-mourns-vanessa-marcotte-princeton/

 

[Kickoff61]

That's true. Why not take her if you have a car. This is something my theory had not considered and is a good question. It could be a solid knock against the car scenario. For the devils advocate, help me theorize about why someone with a car at the scene would NOT remove her body from the area?

The only reasons would be back to a local - who only used their vehicle to go back and do the cover up burning OR transported her to that location they knew from another place, not wanting to risk transporting her in the car longer. (and out of time for some other type reason).

But the question remains the other commenter brought up. Did he want her to be found ? Is he giving a message to someone with the scene found? Is he a serial killer? Is he playing games with law enforcement?

All are possible.

 

[Inthedetails]

Here you go.
Pause at the 1:20 time stamp, and look at the lower right corner of the screen.
It looks like fresh ash to me.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/08/09/community-mourns-vanessa-marcotte-princeton/

Thanks for pulling that up again. I'm reminded that the burns were likely more than cigarette burns.

 

[Kickoff61]

Thanks for pulling that up again. I'm reminded that the burns were likely more than cigarette burns.

If that is the case, the person had to have the means to do it and if the person didn't, the person would have to go to a location close by to get what is needed.

 

[Inthedetails]

If that is the case, the person had to have the means to do it and if the person didn't, the person would have to go to a location close by to get what is needed.

My guess would be that he had what he needed.

He was prepared, he noticed VM, he attacked.

Please let there be a break in the case soon.

 

[Rocky1]

That's true. Why not take her if you have a car. This is something my theory had not considered and is a good question. It could be a solid knock against the car scenario. For the devils advocate, help me theorize about why someone with a car at the scene would NOT remove her body from the area?

I can't.
Another question I have, is, if he is local, why bring the car and not only take the risk of being seen, but also take the risk of LE hap hazzardly driving down BSR, seeing it abandoned, and running the plate number to begin with?

 

[Inthedetails]

I can't.
Another question I have, is, if he is local, why bring the car and not only take the risk of being seen, but also take the risk of LE hap hazzardly driving down BSR, seeing it abandoned, and running the plate number to begin with?

So that leaves us with....attack by someone on foot?

 

[Kickoff61]

I can't.
Another question I have, is, if he is local, why bring the car and not only take the risk of being seen, but also take the risk of LE hap hazzardly driving down BSR, seeing it abandoned, and running the plate number to begin with?

That is why I say, possible vehicle not used initially, only quicker later, to go back with things to burn or to pick up something quickly left behind.

 

[Rocky1]

If that is the case, the person had to have the means to do it and if the person didn't, the person would have to go to a location close by to get what is needed.

Only if you believe he used a torch, or other accelerant. If he built a wood fire, all he needed is one match, or a bic lighter. No need to go back after he got supplies.
If he used small, dry, pine branches, and built it slow, there would not be all that much smoke either.

 

[Kickoff61]

So that leaves us with....attack by someone on foot?

It is very possible she was attacked by someone on foot and vehicle only used for something quick later (if used at all) . Someone saw one - but no word it is connected to this. We just know so little.

Including the conflicting possibilities of where she was attacked on the route. There is still time in the time frame for other areas.

LE knows so much that we don't know - to rule out a lot of this.

 

[Kickoff61]

Only if you believe he used a torch, or other accelerant. If he built a wood fire, all he needed is one match, or a bic lighter. No need to go back after he got supplies.
If he used small, dry, pine branches, and built it slow, there would not be all that much smoke either.

That is true too.

 

[Rocky1]

I thought he may be on foot, five minutes after I heard about the crime, but, after looking at the crime scene, how did he make his escape? BSR? Possible cuts and scratches on his face? I would think he would have been on that road for a while, and someone would have remembered seeing him.
The only other option is through the woods and through neighbors yards, or busy Rt.31 where he would have been seen as well.
That's why I keep coming back to a bike. Fast get away, wearing a helmet and sunglasses, keeping his head down if a car did pass to hide the scratches.

 

[ForensicMass]

The only reasons would be back to a local - who only used their vehicle to go back and do the cover up burning OR transported her to that location they knew from another place, not wanting to risk transporting her in the car longer. (and out of time for some other type reason).

But the question remains the other commenter brought up. Did he want her to be found ? Is he giving a message to someone with the scene found? Is he a serial killer? Is he playing games with law enforcement?

All are possible.

See, I would think that a local would be the last one to bring her body back there because he would know of many other better places in the general geographical area to dump her without being seen. No one in their right mind would return to this location where a dead body was located. Nor would they bring a dead body to this location if they could bring it somewhere else more easily. At least in my mind. Of course we could be talking about someone who was not in their right mind but even people who are not in their right mind don't want to spend the rest of their lives in jail