MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #5

[Kickoff61]

I am glad I searched for this. There was more info than I recalled.

A worker at the mountainside market deli said police came there at 7:15 PM (Before she was found). The police said they believed that Vanessa had been to the market around noon for a drink.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20160808/unimaginable-act-sets-princeton-on-edge

This fits precisely with my supposition that she was hydrating for her run and that someone could have seen her at this point which was not long at all before she set out.

Thank you for the information on that. It just doesn't show me that she was talking about running and this person followed her home and waited for her to leave, picked a location to attack her so close to home and had the means in his vehicle to do what he did, etc.

 

[ForensicMass]

Thank you for the information on that. It just doesn't show me that she was talking about running and this person followed her home and waited for her to leave, picked a location to attack her so close to home and had the means in his vehicle to do what he did, etc.

Oh well what about the fact that the alternative is that we are talking about someone that knew she ran regularly waited for her. Is it not possible that this individual saw her at the store and realized she was about to go for one of her regular runs? Or Do you think that this individual was waiting in the woods already?

It seems like whether it was someone local or someone who was an outsider this is still the most likely place they converged with her.

 

[Kickoff61]

The person doesn't have to be waiting in trees if living along her running route somewhere. The person could be anywhere on her running route. The person could be biking like Rocky says, or running too or walking. Or just at their own premises. Again we do not know exactly where she was attacked for certain either. We know she was found in an area LE say the person is familiar with.

 

[ForensicMass]

Cops may not be morons, but they make mistakes and botch crime scenes every day.
It's easy for someone to be off on their timeline by an hour or so. yes they would have vetted the tip, but how can you toss the tip out if someone calling it in said they saw the SUV parked at 3, when it really was 4?
It's clear to me that they don't have much to go on, and are chasing rainbows, so if the tip may be nothing more than a possibility of something to go on, why not throw it out there?

As reported in the media they have literally received thousands of tips. I did not pick this one haphazardly and release this ONE tip to the media. I know that this vehicle was spotted during the window of the crime and not outside of that window. You're talking about the murder of a well-off, innocent, possibly random victim in what could arguably be one of the safest towns in the country. The local and state police are involved. The FBI is involved. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one they did not screw it up. Vehicle was seen there at the time in question

 

[Rocky1]

Thank you for the information on that. It just doesn't show me that she was talking about running and this person followed her home and waited for her to leave, picked a location to attack her so close to home and had the means in his vehicle to do what he did, etc.

I agree. The employee not remembering her, (although may mean nothing) makes me think that she was in and out, not hanging around chatting.

 

[Kickoff61]

Yes, someone on her running route could have also seen her at the store. That is possible too.

 

[ForensicMass]

I do not think everyone in the immediate area has been ruled out as you are implying. In fact, even recently when the dark SUV issue was reported, a neighbor in the area was on TV saying they were back in the neighborhood questioning people and he had voluntarily given DNA. This also doesn't mean all people were willing to give voluntary DNA.

Good info! That's interesting. Will certainly keep it in mind.

 

[ForensicMass]

I agree. The employee not remembering her, (although may mean nothing) makes me think that she was in and out, not hanging around chatting.

Good point. May have been a quick trip. Not to be odd, but I'm a guy in my 30s and if I was there when she was, I would have noticed. So I'm not sure what that means that no one could place her there. She does seem like someone that people would be more likely to remember, males especially.

 

[ForensicMass]

Yes, someone on her running route could have also seen her at the store. That is possible too.

I just think her runs were not regular enough to preplan this. She always rent a odd times on different days. But if someone saw her getting a drink in her running gear, that would certainly open a window of opportunity for them. A bigger window for planning etc than someone who lives on her route and just sees her. Especially if you believe she never made it off BSR. (As I do, based on lack of reported witnesses seeing her on any of the busier roads and the fact that it would take some fast acting to get ready to ambush her)

 

[The Farm]

But wait a minute here, the person working at the store said he does not remember seeing Vanessa at all. The police said they believe she had been there around noon for a drink but how? Who saw her if not the store clerk at the time.
I am not sure of this particular as many times people think they see things and they dont at all.
And kickoff61 I think they are obviously back in the neighborhood asking questions because whatever facts they do have which we do not are pointing to someone close. And correct, they might not have got all the DNA they wanted and are still after it. Thanks for that because I did not know they were still knocking on doors. Hmmmm, I do find that a little odd because after all this has been since August.
I also do not personally think the perp ever returned to that crime scene in any shape or form whether by bike or vehicle. The SUV could have been someone on a cell or blowing their nose.

 

[ForensicMass]

Just humor me all, and consider that the store visit immediately preceding her death could play a KEY ROLE. Don't dismiss it. Think about it and how it fits in.

 

[Rocky1]

As reported in the media they have literally received thousands of tips. I did not pick this one haphazardly and release this ONE tip to the media. I know that this vehicle was spotted during the window of the crime and not outside of that window. You're talking about the murder of a well-off, innocent, possibly random victim in what could arguably be one of the safest towns in the country. The local and state police are involved. The FBI is involved. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one they did not screw it up. Vehicle was seen there at the time in question

True 1000 tips, and not much to go on.
Maybe well off, innocent, possibly random victim in one of the safest towns of the country, But, with all due respect to the victim, to LE, this is just another murder. I am sure they are doing whatever they can to solve this, using any means they can. Still doesn't mean they haven't/wont make mistakes.

 

[Kickoff61]

I am not convinced yet the SUV was involved , but if it was: Just a question, regarding the SUV being brought back 'briefly'.

IF he had not expected such a fight and ended up with wounds (which we know LE suspect)....and he knows because of this, he left DNA on her that he did not expect to leave. IF he happens to not have the means to get rid of it...and lives very close by...how do you suppose he brought back what he needed (as well as to retrieve items that he didn't want to 'carry' down the street)?

 

[Kickoff61]

True 1000 tips, and not much to go on.
Maybe well off, innocent, possibly random victim in one of the safest towns of the country, But, with all due respect to the victim, to LE, this is just another murder. I am sure they are doing whatever they can to solve this, using any means they can. Still doesn't mean they haven't/wont make mistakes.

This is a large number of TIPS for this case, IMO. I would think they have much more info. It is also a lot to go through to find corroborated facts.

 

[ForensicMass]

I am not convinced yet the SUV was involved , but if it was: Just a question, regarding the SUV being brought back 'briefly'.

IF he had not expected such a fight and ended up with wounds (which we know LE suspect)....and he knows because of this, he left DNA on her that he did not expect to leave. IF he happens to not have the means to get rid of it...and lives very close by...how do you suppose he brought back what he needed (as well as to retrieve items that he didn't want to 'carry' down the street)?

I could see a vehicle being used or through the woods on foot. BUT. I do not believe there was a return trip. again, yes he knew he left DNA. But he also knew that DNA was not in the system. If he went back for any reason someone could have spotted him or his vehicle if he brought one Which would make his DNA being there a moot point. He'd be busted. He did not go back to the site far too much risk. JMO

 

[Kickoff61]

DNA would be the key. The biggest link of all to put him away. It doesn't matter if he is not in the system. DNA is DNA and they can still get his with probable cause from any other info. So if left at the scene from her fight, that's it. All done for him. He would know that.

 

[Kickoff61]

The more this is discussed, the more it points to someone extremely confident due to knowing the area extremely well, therefore being very comfortable in his own area. Close by. Been there a long time. , ETC

 

[Kickoff61]

I could see a vehicle being used or through the woods on foot. BUT. I do not believe there was a return trip. again, yes he knew he left DNA. But he also knew that DNA was not in the system. If he went back for any reason someone could have spotted him or his vehicle if he brought one Which would make his DNA being there a moot point. He'd be busted. He did not go back to the site far too much risk. JMO

And the other option would be is if he not in the system for being caught, but IS in the system with other unsolved cases. Which would take time to make the connection, but there is another link.

 

[Rocky1]

But wait a minute here, the person working at the store said he does not remember seeing Vanessa at all. The police said they believe she had been there around noon for a drink but how? Who saw her if not the store clerk at the time.
I am not sure of this particular as many times people think they see things and they dont at all.
And kickoff61 I think they are obviously back in the neighborhood asking questions because whatever facts they do have which we do not are pointing to someone close. And correct, they might not have got all the DNA they wanted and are still after it. Thanks for that because I did not know they were still knocking on doors. Hmmmm, I do find that a little odd because after all this has been since August.
I also do not personally think the perp ever returned to that crime scene in any shape or form whether by bike or vehicle. The SUV could have been someone on a cell or blowing their nose.

To me,LE revisiting the neighborhood to collect DNA after months has passed is not odd, but it tells me they are grasping at straws when they do a DNA dragnet on random people. Although you can refuse due to your forth amendment rights ,LE plays the"what do you have to hide game, and if you refuse, they zero in on you.
In the Christa Worthington case, it took LE years before they did a dragnet.

 

[Rocky1]

And the other option would be is if he not in the system for being caught, but IS in the system with other unsolved cases. Which would take time to make the connection, but there is another link.

His DNA not being in the system is what makes me think that he is young, and just starting .