MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #5

[ForensicMass]

The more this is discussed, the more it points to someone extremely confident due to knowing the area extremely well, therefore being very comfortable in his own area. Close by. Been there a long time. , ETC

I want to believe this because it means the case will be far easier to solve. I'm just not convinced.

 

[Kickoff61]

His DNA not being in the system is what makes me think that he is young, and just starting .

I look it at it the other way - Sophisticated, lengthy history as some criminals have without getting caught.
Especially with how this was done.

 

[ForensicMass]

DNA would be the key. The biggest link of all to put him away. It doesn't matter if he is not in the system. DNA is DNA and they can still get his with probable cause from any other info. So if left at the scene from her fight, that's it. All done for him. He would know that.

Ok. Level with me. If someone saw his car there and got his LICENSE PLATE NUMBER do you think that we would have solved this case by now?

If he leaves his DNA, yes this can tie him directly to the crime however we still would need someone to compare it to. If he leaves a vehicle license plate number we have the vehicle at the scene and we have the individual to whom the vehicle is registered. identifying that person is much easier than identifying a DNA match from the general population even if you have a DNA sample from the scene

Obviously this is hypothetical since no one got a license plate number from this suspicious vehicle.

 

[ForensicMass]

And the other option would be is if he not in the system for being caught, but IS in the system with other unsolved cases. Which would take time to make the connection, but there is another link.

If they had a cold hit on this DNA, as you suggest, the public would be informed. If we have a serial killer police have a responsibility to the public to ensure their safety. LE has reiterated that they don't know if this was a random act. If they had another murder case with this perps DNA, they'd have answered that question by now.

 

[Kickoff61]

Ok. Level with me. If someone saw his car there and got his LICENSE PLATE NUMBER do you think that we would have solved this case by now?

If he leaves his DNA, yes this can tie him directly to the crime however we still would need someone to compare it to. If he leaves a vehicle license plate number we have the vehicle at the scene and we have the individual to whom the vehicle is registered. identifying that person is much easier than identifying a DNA match from the general population even if you have a DNA sample from the scene

Obviously this is hypothetical since no one got a license plate number from this suspicious vehicle.

I said earlier , we are going to have to disagree on this. This really isn't getting anywhere. And I don't understand it either, because your theory involves the car sitting there for longer length of time for a plate to be seen.

 

[Kickoff61]

If they had a cold hit on this DNA, as you suggest, the public would be informed. If we have a serial killer police have a responsibility to the public to ensure their safety. LE has reiterated that they don't know if this was a random act. If they had another murder case with this perps DNA, they'd have answered that question by now.

It takes much time to match with unsolved cases elsewhere.

 

[Kickoff61]

But, FBI do not ordinarily get involved with state level homicide, unless some other issues are involved.

 

[Kickoff61]

IF and that is IF he burned her to get rid of his DNA he left behind, (due to the fight) then that proves it was clearly an issue of concern for him that he focused on to get rid of DNA.

 

[Kickoff61]

A license plate may prove who's vehicle it is, but it still has to be proven who is driving it, using it , etc . The DNA links the perpetrator to the victim in a crime.

 

[ForensicMass]

It takes much time to match with unsolved cases elsewhere.

Where did you hear that? They enter those DNA profiles into the system just as they enter known profiles. Just as our perp is now in the system as the unidentified individual who killed VM.


Let's forget the car for a while.

Does anyone else besides me see the potential significance of the visit to the store regardless of whether we are talking about a local or an outsider? I believe that even if this crime was committed by a local he saw her at the store that day or on her way to or from the store. Perhaps he recognized her as someone that he had watched running before. Perhaps he knew specifically who she was. But I still think that this is the point where the evil event began to unfold.

 

[ForensicMass]

A license plate may prove who's vehicle it is, but it still has to be proven who is driving it, using it , etc . The DNA links the perpetrator to the victim in a crime.

If There was in fact a car involved and we could figure out whose license plate was parked there, this crime would have been solved. Through several different people could have been driving it. But clearly it wasn't a 40-year-old woman that committed this crime. It would be a male owner or direct relative or very close friend there of which is a tiny web to sort this out. I understand the forensic value of DNA I am a scientist by profession. But we have a DNA profile in this case and we are still scratching our heads. If We had a license plate we could look up the owner. We would be doing less head scratching I guarantee you

 

[The Farm]

Where did you hear that? They enter those DNA profiles into the system just as they enter known profiles. Just as our perp is now in the system as the unidentified individual who killed VM.


Let's forget the car for a while.

Does anyone else besides me see the potential significance of the visit to the store regardless of whether we are talking about a local or an outsider? I believe that even if this crime was committed by a local he saw her at the store that day or on her way to or from the store. Perhaps he recognized her as someone that he had watched running before. Perhaps he knew specifically who she was. But I still think that this is the point where the evil event began to unfold.

Yes and there is potential significance to many of the scenarios we have come up with on here. But without facts we are all just guessing. I have a problem with the store clerk saying he never saw her. Say she stopped there every other time to hydrate or pick up snacks etc. when visiting her mom the clerk would have recognized her I would think.
Who knows, maybe when/if she did stop in he was out back or something.
But yes ForensicMass it very well could have all begun at the store.

 

[Kickoff61]

Actually, in rural areas, there can often be vehicles parked on the side of the road, walking, hiking or whatever. The vehicle may be noticed, but most likely many would not bother to get the license plate number unless they really suspected something suspicious going on.

 

[ForensicMass]

Yes and there is potential significance to many of the scenarios we have come up with on here. But without facts we are all just guessing. I have a problem with the store clerk saying he never saw her. Say she stopped there every other time to hydrate or pick up snacks etc. when visiting her mom the clerk would have recognized her I would think.
Who knows, maybe when/if she did stop in he was out back or something.
But yes ForensicMass it very well could have all begun at the store.

I agree it's odd that no one at the store remembered her. To be clear the person that spoke with the media in that article that I previously linked was reportedly a deli worker. The way the store is set up the deli is off to the side of the checkout counter. due to the quality and popularity of the sandwiches there in the deli employees are often pretty busy, heads down making food, in fridges, going in back room etc. So it does not surprise me that this particular person did not see her. But apparently no one there remember her specifically. It's odd.

This store is very close to her house and running routes. Without looking at a map, it's probably within 2 miles, maybe 1.5.

I would assume she "was believed to go there" because her mom or aunt told police she said she was going there. I wonder if she drove or what her means of getting there was. I would not think that she walked for the following reason- she returned home shortly after and then went for a run/walk. If she walked more than a mile to be store, and home, doesn't seem like she would then immediately go on another walk/run. If anything she would have walked to the store and continued her workout from there. She was also getting slightly tight on time before returning to NYC. This leads me to believe she had driven there.

 

[Rocky1]

Where did you hear that? They enter those DNA profiles into the system just as they enter known profiles. Just as our perp is now in the system as the unidentified individual who killed VM.


Let's forget the car for a while.

Does anyone else besides me see the potential significance of the visit to the store regardless of whether we are talking about a local or an outsider? I believe that even if this crime was committed by a local he saw her at the store that day or on her way to or from the store. Perhaps he recognized her as someone that he had watched running before. Perhaps he knew specifically who she was. But I still think that this is the point where the evil event began to unfold.

I think that your theory is as valid as any. But there are two things that throw me off.
One is the employee not remembering seeing her, as I stated before.
The other is, that gives him less than an hour to develop this rage, then follow her home etc, without knowing how he knew she was going to go for a walk/jog.

 

[ForensicMass]

Actually, in rural areas, there can often be vehicles parked on the side of the road, walking, hiking or whatever. The vehicle may be noticed, but most likely many would not bother to get the license plate number unless they really suspected something suspicious going on.

For reference to this, I was working in town (Princeton) in June of this year and I was parked down a similar road. This road was an old access road to town property. A town DPW employee saw my vehicle there and stopped and approached me to ask what I was doing.

I Do know what you mean though, many might not think a thing of it. But if that is the case, why do we all think it so unlikely that the perp would be parked on the road? I admit it does not seem to me like something someone would do unless circumstance forced them to do it.

 

[Rocky1]

For reference to this, I was working in town (Princeton) in June of this year and I was parked down a similar road. This road was an old access road to town property. A town DPW employee saw my vehicle there and stopped and approached me to ask what I was doing.

I Do know what you mean though, many might not think a thing of it. But if that is the case, why do we all think it so unlikely that the perp would be parked on the road? I admit it does not seem to me like something someone would do unless circumstance forced them to do it.

You answered your own question. Being a Sunday DPW wouldn't have investigated a car parked abandoned, but LE would have, if they happened to drive by. Nobody planning this would have parked, IMO

 

[ForensicMass]

You answered your own question. Being a Sunday DPW wouldn't have investigated a car parked abandoned, but LE would have, if they happened to drive by. Nobody planning this would have parked, IMO

We agree on that point for sure. If it was a car, the plan was to remove her from the area as is the case in an extremely high percentage of these cases. Who brings a car to a sexual assault and parks it and commits the crime there in an unsecured location? Nobody. To me. Either no car, or a car and a plan that went south for the perp RIGHT AWAY.

 

[Kickoff61]

For reference to this, I was working in town (Princeton) in June of this year and I was parked down a similar road. This road was an old access road to town property. A town DPW employee saw my vehicle there and stopped and approached me to ask what I was doing.

I Do know what you mean though, many might not think a thing of it. But if that is the case, why do we all think it so unlikely that the perp would be parked on the road? I admit it does not seem to me like something someone would do unless circumstance forced them to do it.

Are you so concerned about the store because you know someone who was there at that time? You mentioned working in Princeton. So , clearly you know people there and/or in the surrounding area. (and have been to the store).

 

[Rocky1]

Where did you hear that? They enter those DNA profiles into the system just as they enter known profiles. Just as our perp is now in the system as the unidentified individual who killed VM.


Let's forget the car for a while.

Does anyone else besides me see the potential significance of the visit to the store regardless of whether we are talking about a local or an outsider? I believe that even if this crime was committed by a local he saw her at the store that day or on her way to or from the store. Perhaps he recognized her as someone that he had watched running before. Perhaps he knew specifically who she was. But I still think that this is the point where the evil event began to unfold.

One more thing.
If this was someone that did see her at the store, that doesn't narrow it down to a local. It was a Sunday, and I am sure a lot of people that stopped at that store that day were from out of town, having the time, not driving straight to work etc.