MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[Emb72]

Those are great examples. Now we have to figure out why someone would have one in their car.
I use one when I start piles of brush in the spring, however, it never leaves my home.

Someone that does camping. Although I'm not sure if you would want to leave something like that in your vehicle for an extended period of time. Being summertime and the heat, could be unsafe. When me and the husband would do alot of camping we would always keep one packed, however we live in Washington state, in a not so hot location.

 

[The Farm]

FM : If possible when you visit the CS, could you take a look at the burn marks on the trees ? Assuming they still show. Interested in knowing if the whole tree trunks were burnt, or just certain areas. As in, was V tied to a tree while standing up, before she was burned ? Sorry to be so graphic. Also, when you first set foot in the CS area, what are your gut feelings ? Above all, be safe. TIA

Good question liz b. I was thinking on the same line as what are your gut feelings.

How would this seem to a townie---local who lives there.

How would this seem to someone familiar but does not live there.

How would this seem to complete stranger to the area but just passing through.

It is so hard looking at pictures, there is no feel with it.

 

[Cem75]

Strange...may I ask you : why did you think the language was Indonesian ? TIA

Not sure if its Indonesian but if you look close at the wallpaper there is copy written in a foreign language.

 

[liz b.]

Not sure if its Indonesian but if you look close at the wallpaper there is copy written in a foreign language.

I haven't seen it...will look at it.

 

[liz b.]

Someone that does camping. Although I'm not sure if you would want to leave something like that in your vehicle for an extended period of time. Being summertime and the heat, could be unsafe. When me and the husband would do alot of camping we would always keep one packed, however we live in Washington state, in a not so hot location.

What about the source of the fire being one of those long, click type lighters ? Click and flame, I think they are called. They are easy to use, and unlike a small bic type lighter, the user will not burn his fingers. The long lighters are often used to start BBQ' s, and it was summer. Not uncommon to have such a lighter in the car. jmo

 

[searunner]

For all of those who have stated that they believe that law-enforcement has a perp in mind for this crime, does the press conference by the family today change your beliefs at all ?

Grrr.... Take II or III... (Is it just me, or does anyone else get timed out on very quickly when using a cell phone to post, but not using the app? I don't like to load many apps on my phone....)

I'm pretty sure nobody has said they "believe that LE has a perp in mind" - just that it's one *possibility* in their minds that can't be ruled out.

That's where I stood before - and still stand, at least. Nothing in the family press conference or news reports about it (including the CBS one you posted after this post that I'm responding to) precludes that one specific and unusual scenario recently mentioned briefly again (that we can't explore) being a possibility, IMO.

For clarification, my view is broad here - meaning I think it's possible that there could be a relevant connection *of some sorts* betw the two events, not necessarily that the other person could be the perp.

 

[searunner]

Well we know they didn't find it on the first sweep because it was reported that the phone was missing. As were A single shoe and her clothes.

Finding things is actually my main passion in life. I've got an extensive collection of Native American artifacts that I've spotted in the dirt in the agricultural fields near where I live. I have been using a metal detector to look for old things since I was 12 years old, more than 20 years ago. I found some Roman coins in England this summer just where a Roman left them back in about 160 AD. I wonder if anyone went back to thoroughly check the scene after all of the undergrowth plants had died. It is amazing what you can see in winter that you can't see in summer.

OT - Can't resist saying really cool about the Roman coin! Brought to mind Bill Bryson's book, "At Home: A Short History of Private Life." It opens with him in his house - an old rectory in the English countryside - and one thing he mentions about the area is finding an old Roman something or other - piece of men's jewelry, I think. Great read - or "listen," more accurately.

As for your possible trip to Princeton - I'd appreciate your account, as well. Nothing to add, as the gully, tree burns, and general "feel" were already mentioned. Thanks for your time if you're able to visit.

Brings to mind Vanessa's mother, aunt and uncle - these poor people probably have to sometimes drive by near were she was killed. Must be terrible. I'd guess they'd try to avoid that part of BSR north of them, but must be hard to do.

 

[Rocky1]

Grrr.... Take II or III... (Is it just me, or does anyone else get timed out on very quickly when using a cell phone to post, but not using the app? I don't like to load many apps on my phone....)

I'm pretty sure nobody has said they "believe that LE has a perp in mind" - just that it's one *possibility* in their minds that can't be ruled out.

That's where I stood before - and still stand, at least. Nothing in the family press conference or news reports about it (including the CBS one you posted after this post that I'm responding to) precludes that one specific and unusual scenario recently mentioned briefly again (that we can't explore) being a possibility, IMO.

For clarification, my view is broad here - meaning I think it's possible that there could be a relevant connection *of some sorts* betw the two events, not necessarily that the other person could be the perp.

One still has to wonder.. If they think this guy was involved, then why are they still looking?
Someone asked about the legality of LE collecting DNA from the deceased, and according to The Patriot Act, not only can they do it, they don't have to tell their next of kin that they did it.

Scroll down to "legal implications of the US collecting DNA."

http://www.brighthub.com/science/genetics/articles/64422.aspx

 

[searunner]

From www.VanessaMarcotte.org: "Marcotte, 27, was killed Aug. 7 in the woods near her mother’s home in Princeton, where she was visiting from New York. Authorities say she was killed between 1 and 3 p.m. after going for a run." Given that, I think we fully can move past the possibility of there being two crime scenes. Hey, it's one more small fact to add to our limited list of "knowns."

Also, it says she was killed "after going for a run." Is it generally thought that she was headed back home when she was attacked? Sorry if this has been established...

A very nice website, too.

I can't imagine how much they are missing her.

Good post. Yup, I'd say the fact that the wording on the website her family set up makes it clear that where she was found was, indeed, where (or near where) she was killed.

As for your question, I'm pretty sure the wording used is just a matter of speech, with "after going for a run" meaning "after leaving for a run." I think you're asking if it has been determined whether she was killed near the beginning of her run or while returning (meaning almost home), correct? If that's what you mean, then no, that has not been determined. Its seems the general consensus on this board is that she was likely killed in the beginning of her run - just a half mile north of her mom's/aunt's house. However, it's also recently been brought up that she might have been doing a brief out and back run that day, which would have put her passing by the cart path twice in a relatively brief time. In which case, he could have grabbed her on her return, as well.

Yes, it's a nice website. Those poor people; nobody should have to suffer like that because there are sickos in this world. I'd bet they worried when she moved to NYC and would never imagine that something like this could happen a half mile from their home.

 

[Rocky1]

OT - Can't resist saying really cool about the Roman coin! Brought to mind Bill Bryson's book, "At Home: A Short History of Private Life." It opens with him in his house - an old rectory in the English countryside - and one thing he mentions about the area is finding an old Roman something or other - piece of men's jewelry, I think. Great read - or "listen," more accurately.

As for your possible trip to Princeton - I'd appreciate your account, as well. Nothing to add, as the gully, tree burns, and general "feel" were already mentioned. Thanks for your time if you're able to visit.

Brings to mind Vanessa's mother, aunt and uncle - these poor people probably have to sometimes drive by near were she was killed. Must be terrible. I'd guess they'd try to avoid that part of BSR north of them, but must be hard to do.

In regards to your last paragraph, I have thought about that a lot too, and in proximity to where roads connect in Princeton, I would say they travel past that path more often than not.

 

[Madeleine74]

Stein says it could be a stalker. “We know that Vanessa used to come home on a regular basis and then the last thing she would do before returning to the city, she would go for a run,” Stein said. “So in that way someone who’s inclined to stalk a victim would be easily able to determine her habits.”
By dangling this information out there, she says police could be, in effect, communicating with the killer to show they’re on to him.

Police are not disclosing anything nor saying they know who the killer is or are onto him, this is this person's (Stein) opinion based on her speculation. And, as we know, speculation is often incorrect. She is not speaking for police and is not in a position to do so as she is not on the force.

 

[Rocky1]

Police are not disclosing anything nor saying they know who the killer is or are onto him, this is this person's (Stein) opinion based on her speculation. And, as we know, speculation is often incorrect. She is not speaking for police and is not in a position to do so as she is not on the force.

I agree.
I don't see any benefit at all with LE mentioning anything about the investigation 3+ months into it if they have solid leads.
If there are right about the SUV, it gives the perp a chance to flee, or cover his tracks etc.
If they are wrong about the SUV, that tells the perp LE is not even close, and may lead him to think he got away with this. That could make him act out again.
Personally, I think the reason they mentioned is because they have no solid leads. JMO.

 

[Emb72]

What about the source of the fire being one of those long, click type lighters ? Click and flame, I think they are called. They are easy to use, and unlike a small bic type lighter, the user will not burn his fingers. The long lighters are often used to start BBQ' s, and it was summer. Not uncommon to have such a lighter in the car. jmo

Absoloutely. .very common to use

 

[Rocky1]

What about the source of the fire being one of those long, click type lighters ? Click and flame, I think they are called. They are easy to use, and unlike a small bic type lighter, the user will not burn his fingers. The long lighters are often used to start BBQ' s, and it was summer. Not uncommon to have such a lighter in the car. jmo

True, but would you agree that after looking at the fire damage in the crime scene photos, it was more than a lighter that did that?

 

[ForensicMass]

Grrr.... Take II or III... (Is it just me, or does anyone else get timed out on very quickly when using a cell phone to post, but not using the app? I don't like to load many apps on my phone....)

I'm pretty sure nobody has said they "believe that LE has a perp in mind" - just that it's one *possibility* in their minds that can't be ruled out.

That's where I stood before - and still stand, at least. Nothing in the family press conference or news reports about it (including the CBS one you posted after this post that I'm responding to) precludes that one specific and unusual scenario recently mentioned briefly again (that we can't explore) being a possibility, IMO.

For clarification, my view is broad here - meaning I think it's possible that there could be a relevant connection *of some sorts* betw the two events, not necessarily that the other person could be the perp.

I COULDNT AGREE MORE that these two events occurring so close in time and space and being so anomalous is HIGHLY suspicious. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....... but I just think this would t be that hard to figure out. The sheer (wo)man-hours put into this to this point has to be staggering. Collectively probably 10,000 hours. How could they not have exhausted any chance of that possibility yet? I guess it's posssible they haven't. But I just feel like with all the people and time and energy and resources involved, the coincidence of these events is obviously too grand to ignore and warranted a microscopic inspection. Especially if the other avenues in the case have dead-ended.

 

[ForensicMass]

FM : If possible when you visit the CS, could you take a look at the burn marks on the trees ? Assuming they still show. Interested in knowing if the whole tree trunks were burnt, or just certain areas. As in, was V tied to a tree while standing up, before she was burned ? Sorry to be so graphic. Also, when you first set foot in the CS area, what are your gut feelings ? Above all, be safe. TIA

I, too, am very interested in the burns. Let's confirm the torch theory or eliminate it completely.

 

[ForensicMass]

OT - Can't resist saying really cool about the Roman coin! Brought to mind Bill Bryson's book, "At Home: A Short History of Private Life." It opens with him in his house - an old rectory in the English countryside - and one thing he mentions about the area is finding an old Roman something or other - piece of men's jewelry, I think. Great read - or "listen," more accurately.

As for your possible trip to Princeton - I'd appreciate your account, as well. Nothing to add, as the gully, tree burns, and general "feel" were already mentioned. Thanks for your time if you're able to visit.

Brings to mind Vanessa's mother, aunt and uncle - these poor people probably have to sometimes drive by near were she was killed. Must be terrible. I'd guess they'd try to avoid that part of BSR north of them, but must be hard to do.

Thanks for that tip, I'll have to check it out! Maybe a Roman brooch? Was a staple of their style.

I should be over that way sometime soon. I will let you all know of my observations. Hopefully there won't be too much snow cover- have about 6" where I am now.

 

[Emb72]

True, but would you agree that after looking at the fire damage in the crime scene photos, it was more than a lighter that did that?

I fully agree with Rocky1 about that. If the pics that have been shown of the crime scene are in fact burn marks on the trees, although some what smaller trees, I think it would take something more industrial to make those marks. JMO of course

 

[Emb72]

I fully agree with Rocky1 about that. If the pics that have been shown of the crime scene are in fact burn marks on the trees, although some what smaller trees, I think it would take something more industrial to make those marks. JMO of course

Ya know what, I will check with my dad. He is a retired fire chief, he may have a better eye for this. JMO

 

[Rocky1]

Ya know what, I will check with my dad. He is a retired fire chief, he may have a better eye for this. JMO

That's great. I am sure he will have a good eye.
If you can go back a few pages, you'll see the pics of the ground as well.