Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Safeguard]

RE: some activity on his son’s account since his disappearance.

Do we have some sort of conclusion on this angle? Some have mentioned that this was later reported to not be true.

Its actually, IMO signfigant - to know one way or the other

what ya all think?

Yes. It was determined that the last charge was for the train ticket into Boston. At first it seemed to be new activity, but sadly proved to be just a charge for his train fare, that posted a day later.

 

[CARIIS]

bolding and stuff not me!!

young men disappearing from downtown areas in cold weather months and later being found drowned in outdoor bodies of water----Jonathan Dailey was found in Boston's chilly Charles River...


with yet another Charles River water fatality this winter, although the identity of the deceased young male retrieved on Thursday continues to remain a riddle today, due to extensive decomposition.

Dennis Njoroge another one

Adrian Lynch, Jim Dyer and Matt Labounty - Jim Dyer vanish into thin air early that January morning as he was standing outside the establishment readying to leave with friends; and no one has seen or heard from him since.


Josh Szostak celebrating christnas

David Gerken, after he was mysteriously evicted from the Ralph Wilson...


Cal State student Praveen Galla (below) was found floating about a 1000 feet from a Newport Beach pier this week. ...


Avery Danleywas found in an estuary of Morro Bay.--last seen alive dining with acquaintances aboard their docked vessel in Morro Bay on January 21, 2016.

Queens New York where a dead man washed ashore of the East River on Saturday afternoon.

body found floating near Spurn Point of Humberside late yesterday afternoon is that of 21-year-old Liam Pullen.


Luke Gabbert --nvestigators still don't know how the 5-foot-9, 155-pound athlete ended up dead in the water and said that, at this time, a cause of death for Luke Gabbert also remains unknown.


Gregory Hart’s body was found last spring. Investigators say he fell into the Woonasquatucket River in Providence after a night of drinking at a bar.

http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/2016/02/missing-person-alert-for-zachary-marr.html#comment-form

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

I hope this is ok to share. Its a campaign started by lost n missing.

https://www.facebook.com/friendsdontletfriendsleavealone

This is great. The only issue here is that if all friends are drunk, then rationality is right out the door. I'm 37. I went to Nebraska for a friend's wedding. The night before the wedding we all walked a few city blocks to a bar where I had WAY too much. We all walked back home together. Somehow I discovered that my ID was missing as soon as we got back to the hotel. My roommate was already in bed and basically passed out. She asked me if I wanted her to go back with me and I insisted I was fine, that she should go to sleep. I walked by myself VERY intoxicated back to the bar and I barely found it. My husband was SO mad at me (he was home in CO). I am so mad at me! The next morning my roommate was shocked that I went out alone and she felt terrible about letting me do it.

So yes, in theory, it's great. But when you mix in alcohol, sometimes things get foggy.

 

[4senthia]

Oh I'm definitely thinking Smiley Face killer/s.
Just too dang likely, imo.

 

[CARIIS]

We all know some types of serial killers do have spefic wants or hates etc. The more we go there a lot of stuff that is interesting IMO:

-young
-educated
-have disposible income (out drinking) not sitting on a sidewalk
-have friends
-lots of celebratory behaviors, in groups - my notion here is there might be a huge "envy" angle (ie killer is fat , no friends,stuff like that)
-appear to have social skills
-seems to a lot of alcohol invoved - easier to control etc
-clean cut
- not violently abused - leads me more to covering up sexual remnants
-seems to like cold - limits searchers, easier to hide killers identy with bulky clothing
-folks do tend to walk more brislkly (less observant) when freezing to death, less likely to be observed
-several missing articles of clothing before disappear
-invested families-noticed gone pretty instant
-seems to be some notion about being bounced out - like the killer is inside bars, hunting,--getting bounced is pretty indicative of being blitzed - something easy for another person to conclude, that by watching someone getting booted odds are pretty buzzed

-the odd thing is in most of these settings cameras would seem to be preevelant- they are not vanishing from isolated locations

None of us feel particularily satisfied with this notion that somehow Zach was only seen in a camera or two in an area that has been described by folks who have been there to have lots of cameras. Makes me wonder , how if it is one person, how they have been so "lucky" (you know what I mean) to not get caught over and over

Could it be LE person with "issues". Being able to make one person become invisible is pretty remarkable in and of itself , but , if these are crimes, to do it over and over is really pretty wild

Lots of serials pick on backdrops (prostition / homeless) invisible. If this is a crime deal indiv sure is picking people that he/she knows will be found to be gone very uickly. Add to the excitement for individual??

All the ones last post were widely reported - a thrill for a killer no?

Repeatidly (BDk) killer getting away is a thrill!

moo

 

[bluesneakers]

Rightback@cha!
I enjoy your posts tremendously. I love how you always seem to, "take the long way home" down all the winding back roads, where the really interesting stories hide, then bring back your wonderful, "tid bits" for us!

Confess to loving your "weirdness" Posts Gone Wild ,postings too. Hilarious and usually just when I need that too!

Yes! This. +1 to everything.

 

[Trident]

This is great. The only issue here is that if all friends are drunk, then rationality is right out the door. I'm 37. I went to Nebraska for a friend's wedding. The night before the wedding we all walked a few city blocks to a bar where I had WAY too much. We all walked back home together. Somehow I discovered that my ID was missing as soon as we got back to the hotel. My roommate was already in bed and basically passed out. She asked me if I wanted her to go back with me and I insisted I was fine, that she should go to sleep. I walked by myself VERY intoxicated back to the bar and I barely found it. My husband was SO mad at me (he was home in CO). I am so mad at me! The next morning my roommate was shocked that I went out alone and she felt terrible about letting me do it.

So yes, in theory, it's great. But when you mix in alcohol, sometimes things get foggy.

But I see you are here, you didn't jump in the cold water. Right?

 

[CARIIS]

Hi my Bravo!!

 

[Bravo]

Hi my Bravo!!

Hi back my dear. Good to see you

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

My little brain is going coo coo !! Any of us know how long they were in bar - be interesting to know how much he drank? Bill would answer that.

Confusion if he was bounced. It would make sense if he was that he would not try to get back in. So we are really at loss here - if a bouncer threw him out in the cold w/o jacket - and then this of course they are going to deny.

So it could be kinda sneaky by stating on video he did not attempt to get back in -- in my younger years I have expericned being told to leave!! You dont try to get back in. So the bars "info" could be flat out BS - play on words - did not "attempt" to get back in. Especially if the person who kicked you out is standing in the door watching you stand in front of the bar. This might explain why there is a video of him across the street. Its congruent behavior with being bnounced, having people inside, his insta thing telling them he cant come back in and waits across street watching the bar for his friennds.

I would assume close to closing that management might not even know a bouncer told him not to try reentering.

Hi might have just been told if he goes out to smoke he cant get back in cause it is close to closing - and the video stamps are like 140 and 144.

That makes more sense than a lot of any thing we have heard thus far ! IMO

The more I reflect, this is the 10 biggest city in the country. Apparently this is a happening place from what I have read here. The notion that there are these large gaps in terms of cameras is really kinda an inuslt to ones inteligence.

This is also near a train or sub station yes? We all know how many cameras are in transportation hubs in AMerica. The more I think about it the only conclusion I can come up with is LE knows much more than releasing and may be tight lipped so not to tip off possible perps.

Still catching up but I totally agree with this. I have worked in bars and also patronized MANY bars in my 20's and this is just how it works. Being female, I MIGHT have gotten back in, but I highly doubt a bouncer in Boston was going to be caring and understanding to a 20 something drunk guy. Nope. Their claim that all are welcome back in is complete BS. It's a bar, not Applebees.

 

[Trident]

Still catching up but I totally agree with this. I have worked in bars and also patronized MANY bars in my 20's and this is just how it works. Being female, I MIGHT have gotten back in, but I highly doubt a bouncer in Boston was going to be caring and understanding to a 20 something drunk guy. Nope. Their claim that all are welcome back in is complete BS. It's a bar, not Applebees.

I agree with most of your post, except the jacket. I've lived in cold climes all my life, and spent many a year frequenting drinking establishments. Seldom, if ever, was anyone thrown out for good without their jacket and stuff. To my way of thinking there is something WAY off here. What? Were they in the business of selling second-hand coats in cold weather? Something is WRONG, IMO.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Its actually even more bizaire - one would think that people would notice someone in on ly a sweater in minus 9 degrees ---and would recall such a sight, no?

and ...if there is a chronic perp in the area- it stands to reason that a potnetial victim, with no clothes in -9 degrees would welcome a warm car....

I'm in Colorado. In my 20's I probably would have gone out in freezing temps like that without a coat because it's one less thing to watch and I wanted to be cute (and I wouldn't want to pay to check it). In cold weather cities, you sort of adjust to the temperatures. 20 degrees for me would be nothing, 20 degrees for a Southerner would feel crippling. I know we're talking 9 degrees, and yes that's dang cold, but it's doable for a fun night out.

 

[Momoffourboys]

The timing. The timing is off.

If Zach just ran out for a smoke or to make a quick call...it would have taken a couple of mins.

Something else took place during his time outside.

Still praying for him and his loving family.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I'm in Colorado. In my 20's I probably would have gone out in freezing temps like that without a coat because it's one less thing to watch and I wanted to be cute (and I wouldn't want to pay to check it). In cold weather cities, you sort of adjust to the temperatures. 20 degrees for me would be nothing, 20 degrees for a Southerner would feel crippling. I know we're talking 9 degrees, and yes that's dang cold, but it's doable for a fun night out.

This is very true. Living in the Northeast we adjust to subzero temps. I was out that night. Drinking. Ran out for quick smoke without a jacket. It was freezing, but...it was only a few minutes.

 

[CARIIS]

When I first bars statement - did not "feel" right. What follows just went through my little brain!

I have, in my younger years been extended an ivitation to LEAVE! Smile. No matter how blasted,there is no way I would take two steps from establishnment that just de invited me to the party and stand there.

Their statement that he was heading toward whatever... is well, mindreading(!) but the fact is this next shot we have a statrionary Zach in front of the Market, That is what we have.

But is was thier declaratory statement that he would not be denied that really got me. I assume management put out the PR . How would a manager, on a Sat night, near clsoing, not being doing a bank deposit or something?

Factually, thw writer of the PR (other than lawsuit) has no way of knowing if he fell down on his way to the door, pushed on a pull door, reaked of booze, eyes glowing red or half open, etc etc.

So I am thinking now he was told not to come back, totally congruent behavior to let friends inside know situation. Crossing the street, no matter who slammed, is also very "what people do" in that sitution.

In addition, if we move dads statement "he had issues" and place it in a substance abuse catagory, I would think it likely that he has been exteneded invitations to depart from drinking establishment before .

You just "know" not stand in front of an estavblishments front door that just kicked your a%% out.You also know , that if the guy was prick, he might call the police if you do that - who, drunk or not, wants to deal with that --you do , leave!!!

Trust me I know, how sad at this point I feel compelled to share my indisretions of youth!! That is funny .

But with all the stuff that has been going on there lately , I think it is reasonable to assume that in that in that cluster of clubs wait staff from different places know each other - talk about missing people of late, and have read and or heard comments /threats of being held liabile, if someone you boot out is, later found floating upside down, dead, in some river sometime after you evicted said person!

I would think one would know I better not say anything- kinda obvious if you think about it .

And this really bugged me last night when I read the 1:00 Am thing. They keep moving the timeline. If it is on video and timestamped where is there confusion coming from , other than , with the passage of time getting more concrerned .

You all have helped me visually - my sense is we are talking about a 25 foot walk across a street.

So how are you people (lets even forget the 1:00 am thing) saying 120 . If one is so drunk that it takes 20-25 minutes to cross a street the only image I get is someone crawling - badly!!

Anywhere I was if I observed someone , in any context crawling across a street when bars all over about to close it would cause me great concern and I would approach. One would that if it was across the street from a yoga place!!!!

It stinks, and LE needs the most information- that happens to be true- its a life, or a corpse, still deserves some repsect to locate and do whatever next needs to be done.

I hope someone in the bar that night comes forward and tells the media what they saw that night

Appreciate your tolerance with my rant, I feel better! TY


Liars..........................

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

But I see you are here, you didn't jump in the cold water. Right?

Nope. I went about 7 blocks out of the way to get to a place that was only 2 blocks away though. I also had a major problem preforming a simple google to locate the bar's phone number.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

I agree with most of your post, except the jacket. I've lived in cold climes all my life, and spent many a year frequenting drinking establishments. Seldom, if ever, was anyone thrown out for good without their jacket and stuff. To my way of thinking there is something WAY off here. What? Were they in the business of selling second-hand coats in cold weather? Something is WRONG, IMO.

I agree with this as well. He might not have remembered his jacket until he got out there, though. And "my jacket is still inside" might be a very likely plea. A bouncer would tell him to have a friend bring it out to him. He wouldn't let a drunk guy back in. Drunk guy goes back in and isn't leaving until everybody does, then the bouncer has an issue he has to deal with.

I also agree that the timing is all off. There seem to be 20 minutes of time missing. He went out at 1:20am but sent the messages at 1:40am. It's freaking me out a little.

 

[ninij9]

bolding and stuff not me!!

young men disappearing from downtown areas in cold weather months and later being found drowned in outdoor bodies of water----Jonathan Dailey was found in Boston's chilly Charles River...


with yet another Charles River water fatality this winter, although the identity of the deceased young male retrieved on Thursday continues to remain a riddle today, due to extensive decomposition.

Dennis Njoroge another one

Adrian Lynch, Jim Dyer and Matt Labounty - Jim Dyer vanish into thin air early that January morning as he was standing outside the establishment readying to leave with friends; and no one has seen or heard from him since.


Josh Szostak celebrating christnas

David Gerken, after he was mysteriously evicted from the Ralph Wilson...


Cal State student Praveen Galla (below) was found floating about a 1000 feet from a Newport Beach pier this week. ...


Avery Danleywas found in an estuary of Morro Bay.--last seen alive dining with acquaintances aboard their docked vessel in Morro Bay on January 21, 2016.

Queens New York where a dead man washed ashore of the East River on Saturday afternoon.

body found floating near Spurn Point of Humberside late yesterday afternoon is that of 21-year-old Liam Pullen.


Luke Gabbert --nvestigators still don't know how the 5-foot-9, 155-pound athlete ended up dead in the water and said that, at this time, a cause of death for Luke Gabbert also remains unknown.


Gregory Hart’s body was found last spring. Investigators say he fell into the Woonasquatucket River in Providence after a night of drinking at a bar.

http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/2016/02/missing-person-alert-for-zachary-marr.html#comment-form

It's almost how autistic children are drawn to water. So intoxicated young male adults seem inexplicably to suffer the same attraction. Research is needed!


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[cvaldez1975]

there was also a black gentleman who disappeared after bar hopping in Minnesota. was found in water.

Here is another!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/search-on-in-hoboken-for-man-missing-since-sunday-morning/

 

[Trident]

It's almost how autistic children are drawn to water. So intoxicated young male adults seem inexplicably to suffer the same attraction. Research is needed!


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I agree that research is needed, starting about the 1940s. Young men have been drinking since intoxicants were discovered. I'd like to see stats on how many have drowned over the years, and what were the causes.