Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[CARIIS]

Oh no no no!!

yes my dear mom no no no

 

[Esse]

After using google earth, I think I have a better perspective of the Bell in Hand and The Boston Public Market area. It looks to me like the Market is across the street from the bar. Is this correct, does anyone know?

If it is correct, then Zachary was actually across the street from the bar when he made the call saying that he could not get back in?

edit: I see this was already answered.

 

[CARIIS]

Investigators are searching the waters of the Charles River and Boston Harbor in connection with missing 22-year-old Harvard, Massachusetts, man Zachary Marr.
Authorities have focused their attention on the waters around Boston’s North Station on the Charles River as the Boston police’s dive team searched near the Zakim Bridge, NECN reported.


Police told NECN that they received information that led them to undertake a search in this area.

“There’s no information to indicate foul play played a role,” Boston police spokesman Officer James Kenneally said in a related Boston Globe article. “We continue to seek the public’s help in an effort to locate Zach.”

http://touch.metro.us//boston/offic...vard-massachusetts-man/zsJpbq---8749yxIyRpHA/

ok if we are going to go here

no information to indicate foul play played a role,”

then our only answers are

drunk
suicide
hypothermia impacting cognive stuff .....imo

any other options guys

does anyone know if a medical examiner can determine hypothermia / functioning impariement this far afterwards ??

 

[CARIIS]

I had been seeing it mentioned all over the web, that they were going to find this guy in the water, like so many others before him.

Some think it's the work of a serial killer(s), some think it's just a guy's inclination to take a leak in a lake and they fall in, others chalk it up to stumbling around lost, whilst drunk, and falling in accidentally.

Somehow I can't picture this kid being so inclined to fall in the Charles...

This makes me feel like going all Commando Mom and patrolling the downtown area on weekends in the early am!

Probably not my best idea ever...

Miss SAFE you shall not do such !! TY

but in all sorts of places there have been many references to recently in boston this gender and age group, after bar activity being pushed into cold waters --- but I cant find anything (there was one in Jan (3) thats it

you shall remain at home my dear

 

[bluesneakers]

ok if we are going to go here

no information to indicate foul play played a role,”

then our only answers are

drunk
suicide
hypothermia impacting cognive stuff .....imo

any other options guys

does anyone know if a medical examiner can determine hypothermia / functioning impariement this far afterwards ??

I don't want to think suicide but I can't help but think in similar cases thinking "No, no way suicide" and then it was. Still, my hunch is not.

Maybe he met up with some others, drank too much and will be found in the Charles. That seems common enough. Did they maybe say he couldn't come back in because he was too drunk? That part doesn't make any sense.

Sorry, coming in late and not completely caught up.

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, my mind keeps going back to Shane Montgomery too. In fact, while his name stands out, I think just about every case I've read about like this (young male missing after leaving a bar) for as long as I can remember has ended the same way, in water Only Brogan Dulle (suicide by hanging) comes immediately to mind as being different.

ugh i keep seeing this, how many are we talking about? are we talking pretty much Boston area? For how long? Cant find anything.................

 

[CARIIS]

The last call for the Red line is 1:46 am on Fridays, which if they took the subway, is how they would have gotten back to South Boston. He would have needed to hop on the green line first to make his connection, and that also stops running around 1:46. He would have needed to get an earlier train if he was going to make the connecting route to the red line. Considering what time his cousins left the bar, they were probably not planning on taking the train home, because they would have neeed to leave much earlier than 1:50 when they left. I would venture to guess they were planning on grabbing a cab or calling an uber.

http://www.mbta.com/uploadedFiles/Documents/Schedules_and_Maps/Subway/frequency-schedule.pdf

TY helpful

 

[CARIIS]

The difference here in Zachary's case vs. all the other young men who go missing after leaving a bar alone in the wee hours is Zachary's intent was questionable. In all other cases I remember, the young man's intent was to walk to his dorm/car/apartment and they never get there.

No one really knows what Zachary's intent was, except to throw his cousins off the trail by saying he couldn't get back in, and then leaving where they expected him to be there when they exited the bar.

I think it's very likely he killed himself. Prayers by some miracle he's still alive somewhere.

he killed himself.

I also am going there also --- grandma death, valentines day , his birthday, at 22, under the influence, these can be pretty overwhelming --- especially if you are lost and lost the one thing (grandma) that was the only entity that both gave you hope and a sense of being guided with whatever may be coming next ...................................

The Tuesday quote , which I posted earlier , was very telling to me -dispair ................

supposedly the lie about not being able to get back in , fits here as well....its time to go .....................and at 0.4 miles away pretty "doable"

 

[pittie_mcclure]

Why would they not let a person back inside?
His coat and his friends or relatives were inside.
I don't think they cant stop u from re entering unless they PUT u out for intoxication. or disorderly.

Bars should NOT put drunk person out on the street...there should be a law...Call someone put him in a cab anything but tossing them out on the street. sorry for my rant but we see this happen over and over again.

I agree it shouldn't happen! But I could easily see a bouncer not wanting to deal with it at closing time. When I was his age I was a smoker and would go out and often if it was a jerky bar they would make us stand in the line all over again so a few times I'd say "eff it" and go to another bar. I'm sure they weren't letting new customers in but what was mentioned just above my post makes sense.. Maybe he tried to get back into the other bar he was standing near and they didn't recognize him so denied entry. If he were intoxicated enough he may have wandered to get warm.

 

[CARIIS]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/02/17/zach-marr-missing-harvard-man-search-zakim-bridge-boston/


Boston Police Search Near Zakim Bridge For Missing Harvard Man

Have any of you noticed, with the exception of that one piece, ALL the stories are real short without any furhter digging of nuance?? Its strange this far out imo

 

[KESfromMA]

but in all sorts of places there have been many references to recently in boston this gender and age group, after bar activity being pushed into cold waters --- but I cant find anything (there was one in Jan (3) thats it

There is a theory of this being another "Smiley Face Killer" victim. There is a fb group with a lot of good info on SFK

https://www.facebook.com/SmileyFaceKillers/

 

[CARIIS]

"He sent me a Snapchat saying 'they're not letting me back in, let's leave,'" his cousin, Amanda, told necn. "I texted him and said 'Where are you?' and he said, 'Out front,' and that was at 1:41 a.m."

I absolutely believe that the bar would not let him back in. They close at 2:00 a.m. and need to clear the place out.
The bar is covering their butt.

totally and if you go to their FB the time they are using is 120!

 

[CARIIS]

I would be inclined to believe you, but they turned over the footage to LE and the family, and the family thanked them on their page for being so honest and helpful.

I think he didn't attempt to reenter. I do think there's a small chance he tried to get into Boston Market, which is where he was leaning against the door, and believed that to be the door to the Bell in Hand.

Is that pic the Boston Market,-- how far away is it from the bar? Is it the opposite direction from the water?

 

[CARIIS]

Not a suicide. Nope. A little bummed cause gramma died does not mean he killed himself. Suicidaly depressed, yet plans a birthday celebration with family? (And by all a counts he had a great time too!). He also had plans, school, work ect. I don't see one thing that points to suicide here.

Also, I don't think he lied to his friends to deliberately throw them off his trail. It may be his text was along the lines of "I can't get back in", and was misinterpreted, or they barred him access in the area just beyond the Camera, ( Yes. The bar would have reason to lie, not saying they did, but it's certainly done).

We have nothing about any mental health problems, from any account, nor any evidence that he was not trying to get in touch with his party.

Respectfully, the more I go and discover among ourselves, I am moving more toward self harm . It appears, thus far there has been no mention of a bio mom, so "grandma" takes on a whole different world ..... his fathers description of his sons devastion after grandma passed is congruent with this loss being very signifigant for this young man, which apparently had some signifgant issues .... sounds kinda like a learning disorder earlier .... .....

 

[CARIIS]

I agree. At that time of night there is no reason to freak out about not getting let back in. My guess is he thought his group was gonna be right out, just like you said, but got cold or something and went to warm up. Unless he was jumped along the way, though, I don't understand why he wouldn't give them a heads up. He was in such contact, both with his dad and his cousins who were right in the bad with him (snap chatting them) so that's where I start to go hmmmm

The bars story does not add up--on a Sat night according to them it all started at 120 - this is a bussiness, unless he was being a really bad boy (no reports like that yet) no way a bar would prohibit someone from coming back in at least 40 minutes before they could make some more money on a cocktail. And we all know bars go past 200 in terms of sales.

I think there staff was tired, it was Sat, and they started to to do stuff to get out and go home ahead of two AM , and had to move the start time back to 120.

They have only said other patrons were going in and out - which is totally not congruent with a bar at 155, but on a Sat night at 120 makes complete sense!

They would milk the folks still there, but at 155 would be locking doors, IMO

The bar is the only source that starts the timeline at 120 - everyone else starts at least 20 25 minutes later , far closer to rapping the night up for tired staff

the timestamps on pics are 20-25 minutes later than the bar FB page -- they are seeing a lawsuit ........................and lying .....moo

 

[CARIIS]

Was he Intoxicated?
Sadly I don't think this will end well.
Like all the other missing young men they will find him in a body of water .

Why do guys leaving from bars end up in water.

Just from the last 10 hours-- a lot of it seems to be need to urinate, and falling in!!

 

[Spider92]

http://media.necn.com/images/652*367/Zachary+Marr+night+he+disappeared.jpg

do we know if the above image was from the night he disappeared? It seems to match what he was wearing and is different from the posed photos so I assumed it was. If it's not, do we have any pix from that night? The above linked photo doesn't look like suicide to me.

 

[CARIIS]

Why would they not let a person back inside?
His coat and his friends or relatives were inside.
I don't think they cant stop u from re entering unless they PUT u out for intoxication. or disorderly.

Bars should NOT put drunk person out on the street...there should be a law...Call someone put him in a cab anything but tossing them out on the street. sorry for my rant but we see this happen over and over again.

Lawsuit protection in action!!

 

[Esse]

If they are going by 1:20 a.m. and the Snapchat was sent at 1:41 a.m. then there is a problem. The camera at The Boston Market clearly shows him on his cell phone at 1:41 a.m.

 

[CARIIS]

here is her post

My cousin, Zach Marr, went missing last night around 1:50 a.m. He was last seen near Bell in Hand Tavern at the intersection of Hanover & Congress Street. He is 22 years old, about 5'9", and has blue eyes. He was wearing a long sleeve black button up with white vertical stripes and a charcoal grey pullover sweater. He had jeans on, but no coat. If anyone has any information please contact Boston Police at 1-(617) 343-4240. Thank you.

The bars story keeps getting earlier and ealrlier

In a statement, Bell in Hand tavern said he left the bar after 1 a.m. and they hope for his safe return.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/news/police-looking-for-missing-22-year-old/82432895