Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[trigger]

WOW again! No idea it was that close. Boy are you heating up brains! That picture could be an oppsss fall, accident in.

I also had this notion that a lot of the water areas were fenced. Just from that angle, heck the steet looks like it just "goes into" the water!

I had sense water was like 8 blocks away , and I was thinking that long a walk in minus 9 with no clothes should/ could help (talking only about clearer thinking- like sober one up a bit - not medical problems with being in that temp without protction) . That notion took me back to foul play.....

Throw darkness into this picture and .........................

Oh boy. Never thought the water was so darn close.

(I'm listening to the scanner that night. Anything I'll let you guys know)

 

[CARIIS]

Its old data so not sure of relevance

Since Marathon bomving:

[FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]These new cameras are part of a new wave of surveillance cameras throughout the Boston Metro region. Surveillance camera clusters are popping up on street corners and in public transit stations at an alarming rate,

in a totally different (only in govt) stream of thought (laughed out loud!) does this pic not just seem flat out stupid to you guys. I am assuming the one on the right is the old one and on the left the new kind. What moron would put the new right next to an old one - they were added , I did not get the sense from the article that old ones were replaced, only new ones added !

One would think when "adding" one would want more "coverage" by adding new ones in diffeerent location

Crakced me up
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[/FONT]https://privacysos.org/blog/see-something-say-something-unless-its-omnipresent-government-surveillance/

 

[trigger]

That blue that you can see isn't water. Closest water would be to the right, not straight ahead.

The two photos posted above by carbuff could very well explain it - he got turned around and returned to the wrong bar. Tried to get in, couldn't, doormen said he was full of it, trying to get "back" in. Would explain why he didn't show up on the Bell in Hand video. Goes to lighted area, calls family, waits for them, walks to keep warm, phone dies, etc. If he's like most 20-somethings, he'd be lost, literally, without his phone. Damn.

Yup that's what I'm thinking to --he went to the wrong door...so sad.

 

[Safeguard]

Also just noticed something else. Look at the top right of picture. Someone likely a male standing with a pair of blue and white what look to be saucony shoes. That person must have seen where or what Zach was doing.

cdog, I do see the Saucony sneakers! ( they look black & white to me but why quibble?), I am not seeing creepy bald looking guy...is it up above the sneakers you are seeing this?

I do see the two other, ( or at least the legs of two other), people I hadn't noticed before...

Eagle eye sleuthers we have on here!

 

[CARIIS]

Whats everyone think of this picture?

https://www.google.com/search?q=zac...AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=460#imgrc=XHNqsN2Eq9hBnM:

is he on his phone? Hard for me to tell but would appear odds are he is.

im now thinking no to the whole suicide thing. why wait those four minutes in the damn cold if you are just looking to end everything?

is he on the phone with someone that is picking him up--whose car is right in front of boston public market to where he's walking? Of course the phone records would reveal those clues.

Does anyone recall when the cousin said she called him and it went to voicemail?

.................. phone with someone that is picking him up
that is a good question!

My sense of her account was it was when she got outside and did not see him she called him. After two tries it then went directly to VM. But from what I learned yesterday about cell (I posted it) cell phone batteries really disdain cold !!

 

[CARIIS]

New poster

Google images

 

[CARIIS]

also pic that did not get a lot MSM a

ttn , again his eyes IMO just look sad...

 

[CARIIS]

Or, he was trying to get out of the cold. He must have been freezing and simply looking for some place to stay warm until he could meet up with his friends and get his jacket.

or get away from a bouncer ...

 

[CARIIS]

This picture haunts me. This is the picture of vulnerability. A predator would spot that, "like a lion spots a limp!"

No way is this a guy determined to kill himself. This is guy making a a last ditch desperate effort to help himself. Jmo.

I go so back and forth

. If anyone knows how it would be interesting to take a poll and see where we stand, drunk fall in,abduction, suidide , drug invovment, foul play, still alive,fleeing law, and any other options

 

[durunner]

I can definitely relate to a lot of this discussion. I used to go out all the time when I lived in Philadelphia in my younger days. Granted, it probably wasn't ever really this cold, but I went without a jacket many nights with the temps in the teens and 20s. I never liked taking cabs, so I usually just walked home, often a mile or two. I certainly was cold, but never had any problems. Then again, I was also moving.

A few times, I got mad when wasted and I walked home leaving my friends at the bar/club. One time I was so gone that I walked the completely wrong direction a mile or two and was in the ghetto. I was at least aware enough to realize this from the street signs and I caught a cab. I got very lucky that day. Another night, I was much closer to my apartment and somehow made it back there. I can remember being at the bar and at home, but couldn't remember a single detail about the walk home.

Urinating in the water never happened or even occurred to me. Maybe because the only water I crossed was on a bridge well above it. I would've had to walk down to water level. I would've definitely found a bush or small alley first if I could. I did once go right on the side of a Barnes & Noble downtown and was caught by a cop. Must've been one of my more wasted nights. Many dumb things and a big part of why I don't drink any more.

Boston is definitely a confusing city to get your bearings. I'm pretty good with geography, but the lack of true grid in a lot of places messed with me. I was there about 5 times and still had no idea of the layout of that city. I guess I might've even been in this area, since I was staying at Northeastern at least one of those times. I can't figure out which bar(s) we actually were to while there though.

 

[CARIIS]

I tend to believe that this account of what happened is true and accurate and it's dated Feb. 15th when everything was fresh. When I went to the link to reread the entire article the story has now changed. I wonder why?

Anyway, this is what I think.

Zach went outside for a quick smoke at 1:30 and 5 mins. later tried to get back in and could not.

I think he was so cold that he went across the street looking for shelter and could also watch the door at the bar.

I think he then sent that Snapchat to let his cousins know that the staff would not let him back in. Then a few messages go back and forth at apx. 1:35 to 1:41 a.m.

By the time they got their coats from the coatcheck it was apx. 1:50 a.m.

They went outside and could not find Zach. So in 9 mins. he disappeared.

He's not from that area so I doubt he would stray too far. He's watching and waiting for his cousins to come out of the bar.

Also, it looks like they didn't call the police until 10:00 a.m.

o, it looks like they didn't call the police until 10:00 a.m.​

I did not know that. But I kinda think that one of his "issues" was substances , I think they might have been in the thought process of oh this is Zach, he is buzed and headed home, he hooked up, he will be back in a minute , thoughts along that line.

A criminal history? Might not want to get him near LE? Probation? unpaid ticket stuff like that.

Dont know distances invoved here , or level of inebriation of the other folks with him -but 10 seems odd only in the context of something made them not call instantly, but if they thought he hooked up ,10 seems like it would be too early to all of a sudden turn to concern and contact police - does that make sense

like if he hooked up would not concerned that early the next day.

Or.............the fact that the cell phone did answer yet, I think would cause alarm for folks of that generation etc

Your question does however create some (more) ! questions. What was everyone doing driving around? COntacting each other the next AM

 

[CARIIS]

I think the video shows he left at 1:20 to go out for a call/smoke.

And I'm going to take a pass on the statement that he tried to get back in but wasn't allowed. I don't know why that belief won't die.

I think it lingers so stronlgly cause that is what she said his communication with her stated, along with the lets leave statement.

 

[Cape7]

New to discussion. I used to work at a popular Boston college bar and had many late nights in that area. I wouldn't assume he was thrown out and that's why he couldn't get back in. It could have been they just lock the doors to new people after a certain time late night. Regulars would know not to leave towards that time but he was not from the area. Also, if he got thrown out cousins probably would have left right afterwards.

He probably texted cousin that he was going out because they were in different parts of the bar at the time. It could be there were a couple of people smoking in the alcove area-people tend to smoke together and chat. Weren't a lot of people leaving at that time as bar closed down? I doubt it was a quiet scene as the pic suggests. Ist account by cousin I got the impression they tried to find him right away but the later account sounds like they didn't call police until a.m. other cousins don't seem to be saying anything.

It doesn't feel to me like he was really drunk with the text and snap chat updates to the cousin that make sense for that timeline. Most kids that age are used to drinking, he ate before they went out, and no crazy drunken videos or pics have surfaced.

 

[CARIIS]

I may be wrong in the final end, but the Bell in Hand posted on their facebook page a very gracious and warm posting that expressed sympathy for the family, and for Zach, but said they checked their video surveillance (and provided it to LE and the family) and it shows Zach didn't attempt to reenter. They state that other customers came and went during the time Zach was outside. The family then thanked them for all their help and support.

It seems the family believes there was some sort of confusion, that Zach either made up that he couldn't come back in, or maybe he tried to go in some other place besides the bar.

or management is in CYA mode. There have a lot of these things in that area recently , and , us here, have pondered if the bar would have some cival issues if they in fact did throw a (maybe) over inebrated, young man, in -9 degress, without his clothes, who is now "gone"

If it was -9 and I got bounced my first thing , as I am standing out there shivering would be to say to bouncer my coat is in there , can you get it for me.

We might assume that the bouncer might not have known or care, but he could have come too the bar alone. Tossing someone in that coldness without a jac ket is flat out cruel.

Maybe its not like that any longer cause of cell phones, but in my day, and in the instaces where I was un invited to the party by staff, they would at least offer to get you a cab. During that time frame, it was not alturustic, it was clubs were starting to get into trouble for letting people that they lit up (!) get in the cars and drive off obviously in no condition to drive ,

In one of the cases , will try and find again , one family did, in fact, start procedings againist a club that through out their loved one, who was found dead in water.

I also, a few posts backfound it compelling and sad, but also for lack of a better word, regarding her tweet that he is "probably" in the water.

This is just smeantics, but "in the water" as oppossed to I think he drowned struck me as someone callous, abrupt and a bit "creepy" just mo...

 

[CARIIS]

o/t , but drinking is an element here, and a dash of levity might be a good thing for a moment


Oh, yes you youngins--years ago DUI was nowhere where it is the last couple of decades. Liquor stores had drvie throughs , where you, slurred your order ,sitting in the drivers seat, empty cocktail in hand ,requesting another gallon of scotch (!) from your car!!

You then fumbled around for money, could not remember the amount owed .!!

There were bottle clubs, which opened at 2 in the morning. Alcohol could not be sold after two. So those clubs let you bring your own bottle in, ( the old adage "the bigger the better" is applicable here) took it , put your name on it, and sold you mixers, (often accompated by a request for very little mixer!) handed you your bottle to make your cocktail, and then took your bottle until your next round (average elapsed time before repeating 9 minutes!)

Trust me , parking lots from the bottle clubs, which usually closed around 8 in the morning, were quite a sight !!

99.98% of occupants at the bottle clubs HAD come from other bars that closed on them!!

In hindsight, they had the "B" wrong!! they ought to have been called "Blackout Clubs".

We drove with cocktails in hand and cooler in the backseat. I recall driving covering one eye in an effort to see better. Oh yes, yesteryear was far different.

If you did get pulled over, despite the fact that you smelled as if you were really fond of drinking rubbing alchol, you were handed your "failure to use turn signal" ticket, and after (took some time!) trying to locate the signuture line on the ticket ----off the cop went!

In the same vein , it occurred to me that our "juice" bars were different than yours, and some might find "bottle clubs" a delusion on my part,, or result in your pondering if I had I emptied a 1.5 liter while posting this!!
From Wiki:

Some business establishments allow patrons to bring their own bottle, sometimes subject to fees or membership conditions, or because the establishment itself does not have license to sell alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYOB

Funny , I thought folks are not gonna be capable of beleiving drive thro liquor stores, or go back to the notion that i had possibly emptied a 1.5 liter while posting. !!

 

[TeaTime]

In the photo of him standing in front of the market, there are at least 2 other people around, you can see their legs.

 

[Cape7]

I find it unusual his cousin was on his FB messenger too. They must be really close for her to have his password, etc. She must have been trying to reach out to his friends.

It would be interesting to know how the cousins were getting home. Maybe they had a car in the garage? Maybe someone offered to give him a lift there?

Praying his family gets a miracle.

 

[trigger]

or management is in CYA mode. There have a lot of these things in that area recently , and , us here, have pondered if the bar would have some cival issues if they in fact did throw a (maybe) over inebrated, young man, in -9 degress, without his clothes, who is now "gone"

If it was -9 and I got bounced my first thing , as I am standing out there shivering would be to say to bouncer my coat is in there , can you get it for me.

We might assume that the bouncer might not have known or care, but he could have come too the bar alone. Tossing someone in that coldness without a jac ket is flat out cruel.

Maybe its not like that any longer cause of cell phones, but in my day, and in the instaces where I was un invited to the party by staff, they would at least offer to get you a cab. During that time frame, it was not alturustic, it was clubs were starting to get into trouble for letting people that they lit up (!) get in the cars and drive off obviously in no condition to drive ,

In one of the cases , will try and find again , one family did, in fact, start procedings againist a club that through out their loved one, who was found dead in water.

I also, a few posts backfound it compelling and sad, but also for lack of a better word, regarding her tweet that he is "probably" in the water.

This is just smeantics, but "in the water" as oppossed to I think he drowned struck me as someone callous, abrupt and a bit "creepy" just mo...

The "in the water" could be she hasn't slept yet and not thinking clearly. And LE searching the Zakim Bridge area was probably they either got a ping from his phone or he was spotted on surveillance camera and LE might have said to her we think he's in the water. Hth

 

[CARIIS]

I do not doubt the cousins story. It would not surprise me either way about re-entrance. I could easily see the bouncers saying no, and I could see Zachary erroneously thinking he could not get back inside.

He might have been lost too, while looking for somewhere to keep warm. So if he got lost, where would he go next? Did he just head towards water to relieve himself, and have an accident? It seems like these stories always end that way.

For me, it is hard to believe that some perpetrator is hanging around outside in the severe temps. However, I could buy that angle if a perpetrator was inside a warm car. I need to know where Zachary was planning to go afterwards, home or stay at the cousins house. Would he seek transportation home or to a relatives house, to get out of the cold? Did he have $$$ with him, or was his wallet in his coat?

He doesn't know the town. Who would he be buying drugs off of?

Great questions, and the drug angle does have relevancy because of dads report of "issues" and his instagram page is loaded (bad word choice) with pics of beer and talking about being high.

On this :

However, I could buy that angle if a perpetrator was inside a warm car.

I have pondered, casue of the amazing frequency in this area of this stuff, that there might be a perp inside the clubs , on the lookout for folks that do get bounced, and follow them out. Getting bounced would be a pretty good indator of an easy target...

as it relates to the zipper theory -I think that could also be sexual in nature (perp side not victim). Killers use water to wash DNA off victims - especially if there is no evidence of overt violence just a thought

 

[carbuff]

also pic that did not get a lot MSM a

ttn , again his eyes IMO just look sad...

Yeah, even his happy photo in the poster has those sad sad eyes.