Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Eileen730]

I wondered why he texted her too, but it may be as simple as she was across the table and down a little and the bar was so loud you had to shout at the top of your voice to be heard. And I have kids with cousins who will text each other in the same room - there may be a general interest conversation going on, and one cousin will text something like hey do you want to go to Whataburger later. Not to be secretive, just not to interrupt.

Ugh sounds like the Male version of the Christina Morris case.


I thought they were all together. The text seems to me they were not he was off on his own. Not that that is a big deal but it might bring some other ppl into the mix!

 

[lillygator]

what is with all these young men going missing?

 

[Eileen730]

what is with all these young men going missing?

There sure are a lot of them!

 

[CARIIS]

So who was he with at 1:30 when he sends her a text hes going out for a smoke?
He obviously was not with his cousin. when did she LAST see him. and how convenient
it was the snap chat that said staff wouldn't let him back in. Because snapchat vanishes.
sooooooo.

Who SAW(laid eyes on) him last and when?

I have seen a bunch of young folks sitting at restaurant , in a group of 8, having nothing to do with one another with their cell phones in their face --so maybe it is not all that indicative of him crusing about alone.

However from my perpecctive if someone was 2 feet away , and "with" me i would think leaning over and saying going for a smoke makes a lot more sense ,no?

i agree with your questions ---and if we going to go with - he might have made some new friends, who happended to partake in partying of a different kind.

That notion (possible harder drugs being consumed while actually in the bar) might certainly help expalain the bizaire thinking patterns as evidenced by behaviors (just standing somewhere away from bar/taking off - especially if they were in a car)after going out for smoke.

Harder stuff, IMO might also make minus 9 degrees not a concern if you know what I mean.

It would also call into question Amanda giving the impression that noone was really all that buzzed somewhat confusing if he had been hanging out with other folks.

Single guy , wanting to run around and check out the ladies, and do so with other males certainly makes sense, IMO .

Just sayinf if (other drugs) I would think that would increase the liklihood of bouncers observing behaviors that might increase their feeling the need to bounce indivual.

The bars interior cameras (assuming there are, and in this day and age feels like a resonable idea) would help in all this.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi carbuff!!

 

[Eileen730]

I have seen a bunch of young folks sitting at restaurant , in a group of 8, having nothing to do with one another with their cell phones in their face --so maybe it is not all that indicative of him crusing about alone.

However from my perpecctive if someone was 2 feet away , and "with" me i would think leaning over and saying going for a smoke makes a lot more sense ,no?

i agree with your questions ---and if we going to go with - he might have made some new friends, who happended to partake in partying of a different kind.

That notion (possible harder drugs being consumed while actually in the bar) might certainly help expalain the bizaire thinking patterns as evidenced by behaviors (just standing somewhere away from bar/taking off - especially if they were in a car)after going out for smoke.

Harder stuff, IMO might also make minus 9 degrees not a concern if you know what I mean.

It would also call into question Amanda giving the impression that noone was really all that buzzed somewhat confusing if he had been hanging out with other folks.

Single guy , wanting to run around and check out the ladies, and do so with other males certainly makes sense, IMO .

Just sayinf if (other drugs) I would think that would increase the liklihood of bouncers observing behaviors that might increase their feeling the need to bounce indivual.

The bars interior cameras (assuming there are, and in this day and age feels like a resonable idea) would help in all this.

I think there is more to this story we don't know.
Like was he seen SMOKING outside in the video
Who left that bar around the time he did
did he get in someones car to smoke a joint?
so many questions and I don't think we will have
a good ending.

 

[CARIIS]

I don't think any voice calls went back and forth. I think they were all text or snapchat.

That is my recollection as well. There two that went to VM and the rest she described as the phone being off.

It also struck me that if, just saying if , he was indeed partying of harder caliber substances, he might not have wanted his cousins to see him all messed up

I really dont think to many people watch and count how many drinks others have unless their is a concern about the individual history with alcohol imo

ugh here we go again

Do any of you watch and count another persons drinking numbers?

 

[CARIIS]

For those not familiar with the area: Southie, where Amanda lives, is South Boston. It runs from Fort Point Channel to Dorchester. Bostonians walk a lot but Bell in Hand to Southie or vice versa is farther than most would walk. Two to three miles or more depending on exactly where she lives. She drove to pick him up at North Station so she probably drove to the tavern as well, but I haven't seen anything specific.


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And that is unusual (no mention of mode of tranportation). I do not know about you guys, but earlier today when the idea that drove (if) it changed much for me. It makes the story far more unsettling.Most would think just go back to the car and wait- its at least worth a try, if your freezing, lost confused and scared.

It would also be warmer in car garage than 16 mph winds on the street. Heck if it were me, I would stand near a heated hood!

 

[CARIIS]

Didn't someone post on this thread a little while ago that the family has now hired a private investigator? I can't find that post now - I sure thought it was this thread.

I saw it also Jeanna!! Unless we both are hallucating as a result of the insanity of this sitution!!

 

[Cape7]

I think if the bar had tossed him out they would probably be saying something along the lines of "he started an altercation with another patron and was asked to leave at 1:20" to absolve themselves from having anything to do with it (we threw him out, he was long gone, don't look at us for any info type scenario). Nothing I have seen indicates he was a hot head or troublemaker. He sounds like a normal kid that age to me-maybe some angst about life in general (who doesn't?) but comments from his friends on Facebook suggest he was well liked and they all are worried-that this is not typical of him. I think the comments would have a different tone to them if they were used to him running off making drug deals and hanging out with questionable people. If he had a whole different lifestyle going on he probably wouldn't have chosen to spend bday with his cousins either.

I think everything his cousin reported makes perfect sense and fits with the outside photos and timeline. His cousin is apparently a nurse, and seemed to be clear thinking that night as well. The only thing I find odd is not more people on street right before closing time-many like to beat the rush and leave a little before the last minute in my experience-they want to avoid the line to get coats, etc.

In the pic where he is looking right I think it looks like he is actually looking at something going on-it has a feel to me like he is keeping an eye on something. Maybe something was going on in a car on the street right near him? (drug deal going down, domestic violence situation, fight among other men?) Maybe he decided to walk away from it because something he saw made him nervous. Maybe they caught up with him and tossed him in the car and drove off. If his phone rang in the car they may have grabbed it and shut it off explaining why it started to go to voice mail at that point.

ETA Still praying for a miracle for Zach and his family. At least in this scenario he could possibly still be alive and being held against his will and still be found. All the water scenarios only have the worst ending possible.

 

[Eileen730]

And that is unusual (no mention of mode of tranportation). I do not know about you guys, but earlier today when the idea that drove (if) it changed much for me. It makes the story far more unsettling.Most would think just go back to the car and wait- its at least worth a try, if your freezing, lost confused and scared.

It would also be warmer in car garage than 16 mph winds on the street. Heck if it were me, I would stand near a heated hood!

didn't they take public transportation?

 

[CARIIS]

You're thinking somebody else sent the snapchat message? Hm.

Or maybe he made up the "can't get in" excuse to separate from his friends for some reason?


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Snapshot Does anyone if fornescally these can be reocvered if phone found?

 

[Dushi]

Snapshot Does anyone if fornescally these can be reocvered if phone found?

Not sure if this is accurate

The app is designed to let you take an image or record a video, draw something on it, then send it to your Snapchat pal. The message will automatically disappear in 10 seconds or less.

The photos are deleted from its servers after they have been opened by its recipients.

But what about the unopened Snapchats? They remain on the company’s servers – which are run by Google – for 30 days.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/15/snapchat-gives-private-messages-to-the-police/

 

[Dushi]

But a new app called SnapHack compromises that feature. SnapHack, which launched Sunday night, lets you save Snapchat messages and view them again later, Business Insider reports.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/14/new-app-lets-you-keep-racy-snapchat-messages/

 

[carbuff]

Hi carbuff!!

Hi CARIIS [emoji4]

In answer to your observation, yes, the bridges are plenty high enough for suicide. The most popular are the Longfellow Bridge over the Charles River and the Tobin Bridge over the Mystic River. But many suicides go into the water from the shore; they just swim until they're exhausted. Or they jump in from one of the many pedestrian bridges or piers and quays. A kid from one of the colleges went into a small reservoir, not much more than a pond, near campus.






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[pittie_mcclure]

I think there is more to this story we don't know.
Like was he seen SMOKING outside in the video
Who left that bar around the time he did
did he get in someones car to smoke a joint?
so many questions and I don't think we will have
a good ending.

That could be an interesting option. Maybe he either met somebody while smoking his cigarette or ran into a friend on their way to their car. He figures his cousins will be right behind him so has a quick catch up in their car or for a quick drag of something else & it goes south from there. I'd hope it was caught on camera but it seems his footsteps are lost eventually. I was at a friend's just this past weekend and stepped outside with a few people I was not familiar with to partake in some non-tobacco smoking Depending on the vibe of the person, friendship can sometimes occur very quickly when strangers find out they have something in common. All just my opinion and speculation.

I am close to my cousins, or a few of them anyway. I am the same age as two of them and they are married to my husband's good friends from the military so we all spent our 21sts together and most birthdays since!

 

[CARIIS]

I think if the bar had tossed him out they would probably be saying something along the lines of "he started an altercation with another patron and was asked to leave at 1:20" to absolve themselves from having anything to do with it (we threw him out, he was long gone, don't look at us for any info type scenario). Nothing I have seen indicates he was a hot head or troublemaker. He sounds like a normal kid that age to me-maybe some angst about life in general (who doesn't?) but comments from his friends on Facebook suggest he was well liked and they all are worried-that this is not typical of him. I think the comments would have a different tone to them if they were used to him running off making drug deals and hanging out with questionable people. If he had a whole different lifestyle going on he probably wouldn't have chosen to spend bday with his cousins either.

I think everything his cousin reported makes perfect sense and fits with the outside photos and timeline. His cousin is apparently a nurse, and seemed to be clear thinking that night as well. The only thing I find odd is not more people on street right before closing time-many like to beat the rush and leave a little before the last minute in my experience-they want to avoid the line to get coats, etc.

In the pic where he is looking right I think it looks like he is actually looking at something going on-it has a feel to me like he is keeping an eye on something. Maybe something was going on in a car on the street right near him? (drug deal going down, domestic violence situation, fight among other men?) Maybe he decided to walk away from it because something he saw made him nervous. Maybe they caught up with him and tossed him in the car and drove off. If his phone rang in the car they may have grabbed it and shut it off explaining why it started to go to voice mail at that point.

ETA Still praying for a miracle for Zach and his family. At least in this scenario he could possibly still be alive and being held against his will and still be found. All the water scenarios only have the worst ending possible.

Re :I think if the bar had tossed him out they would probably be saying something along the lines of "he started an altercation with another patron and was asked to leave at 1:20" to absolve themselves from having anything to do with it

I think management would be very careful -- if only for the coat which is in possesion

 

[Trilogy]

I saw it also Jeanna!! Unless we both are hallucating as a result of the insanity of this sitution!!

You did see it here. I saw it originally as part of a TV news report online, too. It was just a short interview on the sidewalk, the man said he'd been hired by the family, and that they were following up with camera footage, etc. If you check online, you'll come across the video, with a bit of searching.

 

[Trilogy]

Anybody with familiarity with store security cameras know if their timestamps are absolutely accurate, say as accurate as a cell phone?

I've been thinking about the phone issue, too. Not answering could be, "I'm talking to someone and I don't want to call them back or put them on hold to take your call, so I'll let it go to voicemail." After a few of these, it's possible that the interruptions would aggravate you to the point where you'd just shut your phone off, thinking that you'd get back to them when you were free. Or, you didn't want somebody to hear your phone ring/vibrate, which it would, incessantly, if they were calling as much as they said they did, so you shut it off. And I believe they did call; their phone info would back that up.

Damn it, son -- what happened to you?

 

[CARIIS]

A hang up I have had with this from day one is the lack of video from a whole host of establsihments in the area, Like when someone vanishes you would start from Boston market and see if you can trail him via a variety of cameras

This piece is from 2003, I am confident we can say that in the intervening years these are on the low end IMO


This a big city, which experienced the Marathon attack, it would seem to me that afterwards camera use would increse.

There was a map a while back, where mutiple similiar deaths -- and the poster pointed out that most "started from finacial district

........................nightclubs in Boston. The assault was captured by surveillance cameras.

--unrelenting gaze of Boston's exploding network of video surveillance cameras.

dozen electronic eyes installed along I-93

she says she never noticed how widespread video surveillance is until she started making a concerted effort to look.

like many in the Financial District, is heavily monitored by surveillance cameras — more than a dozen,
“I never really realized how much I could be on film,

Two years to the month after the September 11 terrorist attacks, surveillance cameras are everywhere, from predictable places like ATMs, airports, and parking garages, to church plazas, office buildings, supermarkets, and highways


THe Big Dig was mentioned by a poster describing it had problems years ago, but that area was correlated (link earlier in thread) to where the launch of search began:

When the Big Dig is complete, there will be 400 video cameras along the Central Artery; nearly half of them are already in place. That's not including the more than 228 cameras in the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority's Fast Lane booths, or the 50 that the Massachusetts Highway Department has installed throughout the state. Massport has some 400 cameras, most of them at Logan Airport. There are 17 positioned in and around the city by the Boston Transportation Department — 15 at intersections and 2 on the roof of City Hall. The MBTA has 77 cameras and is installing more in subway and commuter rail stations.

Next year, the T will activate six designated “hubs” where images from cameras throughout the MBTA's more than 60 stations will be monitored. But public agencies have been downright sluggish in installing cameras compared to the private sector. There are at least 128 surveillance cameras in Boston's tightly packed Financial District, 110 are on private property,

This may be a vast underestimate.

South Boston, smells like a new car and looks like Mission Control in Houston.

Its 400 cameras will be supplemented by those the separate highway department has been installing along routes 128, 93, and 3.

no explicit law against secret video surveillance in Massachusetts

IMO we need to expand abovemention facts and include that there have been many of these exact type crimes or whatever,-. There has not been a case that thus far, we know, wherein Boston LE used these tools in similiar cases.

And i guess it would demand many hours going place to place. Budget concerns are everywhere.................

I would think bars would have a lot of them. Alcohol is invoved (brawls/lots of cash floating around/watching waitress/bartenders as it relates to money


Who’s On First bar in Fenway promised to step up security measures by purchasing ID scanners and cameras.....security cameras at the front door.

There has been lots of notions on the thread regarding the bar has nothing to lose if they release videos, and their not doing so does not indicate any wrong doing. Sited earlier at least bar was sued for identical case.

In addition liquer liscense suspension has been attempted in this one

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/12/18/who-first-pushed-boost-security-bar-where-one-man-died-thanksgiving-day-shooting/eiT7SCjf850TZcRDRywNAJ/story.html

“There is no reason whatsoever to believe that any punishment short of license revocation will result in meaningful change,

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/12/18/who-first-pushed-boost-security-bar-where-one-man-died-thanksgiving-day-shooting/eiT7SCjf850TZcRDRywNAJ/story.html


http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/theyre-watching-you/

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/07/fight-at-randolph-restaurant-caught-on-surveillance/