Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Momoffourboys]

Do people dress different when its below freezing as opposed to when it is 41 degrees colder than the 32 degrees

Ya all robust!!!

I live ie in warmth ,would historic temp breaking 41 degrees below freezing point change one attire ??

wow

For my guys, anything above 40 degrees is spring! Shorts and t-shirts. It is what you are accustomed to.

 

[Safeguard]

For my guys, anything above 40 degrees is spring! Shorts and t-shirts. It is what you are accustomed to.

Yes! We had summer here today. It had to be about 50!

 

[Safeguard]

On another note...

I find myself growing increasingly more impatient and frustrated.

Every passing day without a single trace. Every night I pray they find him, and I wake up...to still no news! No sign of his phone, or any trace that he still exists, and is...
somewhere! . God I hope it doesn't take months, like in some cases...

 

[CARIIS]

Yes! We had summer here today. It had to be about 50!

We are hot! But if it was 96 with a feels like 104, and we paased a human being in a winter coat we would notice and feel sorry for his plight

 

[CARIIS]

For my guys, anything above 40 degrees is spring! Shorts and t-shirts. It is what you are accustomed to.

would 41 degrees below freezin 32 change it ??

 

[CARIIS]

I think they are handling this poorly.They are coming off bad cases -- just come out : we are continuing something but what is going on makes us feel as if noone is doing anything

that has to be the worst thing for the family noone is trying??

 

[CARIIS]

On another note...

I find myself growing increasingly more impatient and frustrated.

Every passing day without a single trace. Every night I pray they find him, and I wake up...to still no news! No sign of his phone, or any trace that he still exists, and is...
somewhere! . God I hope it doesn't take months, like in some cases...

That is what I am saying ... just come out and say we are continuing our search whatever , but just like most of the other case boston police dept has done this through out all of em

pls the PTown one )just like this (links earlier ) the cop that investgated that owns the property the bar sat on

knock knock??

 

[Esse]

I actually think the media took the liberty of saying it was a Snapchat, since other sources are calling them "texts", but if one or both people were using snapchat, it will make that part of the investigation a lot trickier until they can find Zach's phone.

I watched a heartbreaking video with Amanda. She states that Zach "texted" her that he could not get back in to the bar. She does not mention Snapchat.

My heart goes out this family and I pray for Zachs safe return.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-missing-in-boston_us_56c1f5abe4b08ffac125d2d8

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hi Safe

no i know he is not homeless - all i was saying is someone driving by a sweater (!) when it is 41 below freezing would prbably think he is homeless --not me a passerby!

Yeh his eyes, to me look sad

did not say uncaring - said I think it was a family system with lots of pain, conflict and confusion !

BBM

What makes you think that?
I think I've followed the case very intently and nowhere was this impression given.

 

[Momoffourboys]

would 41 degrees below freezin 32 change it ??

No. My kids wear shorts in 32 degrees. Maybe a sweatshirt.
Anything colder would probably prompt them to wear pants.
But they don't own "coats". (And neither do I).

 

[carbuff]

-9 degrees. I mean, who is really even out at 2 AM, except young kids drinking beer. I would think the streets would be deserted, except for the tavern goers. There is not many people hanging outside, except for Zach, right? Even the homeless want no part of -9. If it was Philly, they declare something called a Code Blue, where they try to get the homeless people into shelters, because of the weather.

code blue in philly.

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/...ach-efforts-to-bring-the-homeless-to-shelters

I would think other cities do this too. Could he have ended up in some type of homeless shelter?

On Saturday night in that part of town, hundreds if not thousands of young people drinking beer, trying to hook up, and vomiting in the trash bins.


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[CARIIS]

I watched a heartbreaking video with Amanda. She states that Zach "texted" her that he could not get back in to the bar. She does not mention Snapchat.

My heart goes out this family and I pray for Zachs safe return.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-missing-in-boston_us_56c1f5abe4b08ffac125d2d8

Report says he said THE BAR WS CLOSING and he could ot get back in. That is dofferent than what has been reported and changes the context of this. With this now it goes back to he was not bounced- they just prepping for closing .

But the reporter before the cutaway into the interciew with Amanda stateds he vanished without a text or anything, then the cut to the inteview where amanda says he texted......................................its pooping if noone can get their story correct

makes me think (reporter) did some of her voiceover before the interview watch and listen before the cut in to the cousin totally oppisite version of events

Go around 40 secs in the package

Zacg duisappeared without a x text or x

cut to package first words out of her nouth he texted me,,,,,,,,,

its mind numbing , if your gonna do a voice over and say the apple was red and right after that the cousin, first words out of her mouth are.............. the blue apple we have an issue ...again

20 seconds ealier she say he texted and then 9 seconds later reporter says he vanished without a text or anything......

 

[Esse]

Report says he said THE BAR WS CLOSING and he could ot get back in. That is dofferent than what has been reported and changes the context of this. With this now it goes back to he was not bounced- they just prepping for closing .

But the reporter before the cutaway into the interciew with Amanda stateds he vanished without a text or anything, then the cut to the inteview where amanda says he texted......................................its pooping if noone can get their story correct

makes me think (reporter) did some of her voiceover before the interview watch and listen before the cut in to the cousin totally oppisite version of events

Go around 40 secs in the package

its mind numbing , if your gonna do a voice over and say the apple was red and right after that the cousin, first words out of her mouth are the blue apple we have an issue ...again

I know what your saying but, I wouldn't put too much faith into any reporter when you have a family member right there telling you what really happened.

 

[CARIIS]

On Saturday night in that part of town, hundreds if not thousands of young people drinking beer, trying to hook up, and vomiting in the trash bins.


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ahhhh memories!

 

[CARIIS]

BBM

What makes you think that?
I think I've followed the case very intently and nowhere was this impression given.

OK I am taking a risk here I will repost my thinking -- conclusions but it made some posters feel as if i was attcaking the family .. not at all

The notion that there might have been a suicdal hx was a result of the lack of injformation , this far out, about what issues were, in terms of media. Of course people attempt to keep family bussiness that - my thing was the media not exploring it and subsequently it seems that there is widespread effective guarding.

Family members would say he had cancer, if so

Typically media hounds everyone and all kinds of things are learned in the first 24 hours - which does mean to me that there has been a purposeful non reveal.

The fathers verbal presentation seemed to indicate average IQ. The sense there had been long history of conflict came early. It struck (I wll try to find it) me as wildlly odd, in the begiining when dad something akin to, it will be allright just come home we wont ask you any questions. (were your drunk/ using whatever)

Anyone, as a parent, would you not ask tons of questions if your child had vansihed for a week- and the need to announce that to the world if Zach were listening?

I did not imply nor think of the sitution as "inappropriate" parenting it is much more about the possibilty a pained and troubled family system system

The total lack of any mention of a bio mom this far along to me resulted in my wondering , again, if it had not been a turbulent beginning. Bio has never been mentioned by three coousins, father, an aunt. No mention of a mom on any of his postings. That is atypical - especially in a situion like this.

The intense relationship with grandma furthered my assumption.

Do we even know if he was the only child? Again atypical.

Early on their were referneces to him struggling in school.He was 22, on some of his postings he described being unemployed.

Not a "bad" thing but often indicative of some problems at 22 years of age. The mentioning that "he had a job now" felt to me as if that had been an enduring issue, as opposed to just he worked at xxxxx.

His postings were indicative of what we call euphoric recall- which basically is fond memories of associationing being "high" or numbed as being very postiive while blocking out the relaties of the negatives associated with addiction. His posts were very focused on drinking. IMO

The cousins need to "report" to the media that he "only" had 3 drinks, sounded to me as if a family member was aware of past additve behaviors. At 22 I would have had no idea of how many drinks friends had while out. It implies "watching" his drinking, again a notion of it had been a problem for the family system in the past.

Again not blaming anyone, but the family looking for 10 short minutes, fully aware he did not know Boston, again, sounded as if in the past family members would appear to have experienced this before.
Again it sounds judgemental on my part, not to be, but 600 seconds just felt short if behavior like this had not happened before.

Not contacting law enforcement for hours seemed to indicate a familiarity with vanishing. Just felt like there had been history of some problem behavior in the past while drinking.

Hey when younger I have experenced being bounced! HOwever, being bounced does indicate that my judgement, as that time, related to drinking was not good.

Not needing clothing when it is -9 out would also seem to indicate some judgement impariment. Most of us, I think would not be able to "stand", for lack of a better of a word, not being dressed well when it is 41 degrees below freezing outside. The notion that he had stepped outside without his jacket throughout the evening would also appear to indicate some numbing of some sort.

There has been much discussion "if" he was blasted, drunk out of his mind, could he see clearly , walk etc etc. A addict builds tolerances . The notion that there is much speculation about his alcohol "intake" is worth noting.

The relentless thinking about self medicating altering feeling states . Typically the need to mask feelings indicates they are negative ones.

The alright thing was a confusing --why would a parent announce , on air , that he wont be in trouble?

I certainly did not mean to offend you, just trying to put peices together - chidhood does impact the rest of our existance!

As you know, therapy is most often about what is not being addressed or verbilized as oppossed to what the client is describing - that is why they come !Solid clinicians depend on intuition and or hunches -- I was sharing stuff that instantly hit me as the story emerged.


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[CARIIS]

It was not freezing out -(32 degrees)

. It was 41 degrees below freezing. There is 41 degree difference here ...................

I looked it up and posted it with link--with air temp and 16 mph winds it was 9 degrees below zero

This is strange for me I will post again 16 mph winds that night--this not cold- it was historic life threating , history book fatal stuff ...hardly shorts.............ones skin will fall off ......

http://www.businessinsider.com/at-what-temperatures-can-you-get-frostbite-or-hypothermia-2015-2

 

[CARIIS]

hi car

zoom zoom !!!!

 

[Momoffourboys]

I won't quote your post #737^^^, CARIIS...because it will break WS.
I, respectfully, and very adamantly disagree.
Of all the MP cases I have followed the majority did not have pressers. When kids or teens are involved, the majority of families did not make media appearances. Most families are so distraught that the last thing on their minds is to update the public. Most have been lucky enough to have a good and strong support system that deal with media, FB and twitter.

I have seen no evidence of substance abuse. No evidence of troubled family. No evidence of suicidal tendencies. Yes, he recently lost his grandmother. He was devastated. That is natural.

You know, usually when there is a back story....you can find clues on SM. Someone always slips. Especially teens/young adults. Not in this case. Nothing. No rumors. No clues.

Regardless, I am still holding out for a miracle! It is a beautiful full moon 222! Said to carry special powers for prayer. Mine is dedicated to Zach.

 

[Safeguard]

Hi Safe

no i know he is not homeless - all i was saying is someone driving by a sweater (!) when it is 41 below freezing would prbably think he is homeless --not me a passerby!

Yeh his eyes, to me look sad

did not say uncaring - said I think it was a family system with lots of pain, conflict and confusion !

Hi CARIIS

This is such a heartbreaking case.

Sometimes the harder a case hits, the more people dearly wish it never happened, could've been prevented, and it can be tempting to look for someone to blame;

Bar not being truthful;

Cousins not doing enough, sooner, faster, better...

Family not being all they should be;

LE not doing enough to keep the case in the public eye...

I believe someone killed him. I don't believe he wandered off and died. Too smart a kid for that.

Young people have strong survival instincts, he would have got help if he was freezing.

I also believe his family and friends dearly loved him, and he loved them, flaws and all.

And whoever harmed him is the only one to blame for this nightmare.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi Caris,

This is such a heartbreaking case.

Sometimes the harder a case hits, the more people dearly wish it never happened, could've been prevented, and it can be tempting to look for someone to blame;

Bar not being truthful;

Cousins not doing enough, sooner, faster, better...

Family not being all they should be;

LE not doing enough to keep the case in the public eye...

I believe someone killed him. I don't believe he wandered off and died. Too smart a kid for that.

Young people have strong survival instincts, he would have got help if was freezing.

I also believe his family and friends dearly loved him, and he loved them, flaws and all.

And whoever harmed him is the only one to blame for this nightmare.

HI

Nice post - I am being Edgar again! I think suicide I think he was clean for a bit, that night was a relapse, his gma died,school/work pressure--but most gma. The plan was ,like 8 hours after he vansihed (dont know timeframes) but the plan was to do his cake --sing happy birthday, and then go to gmas house and then toss all her stuff

Talk about overload