Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #2

[CARIIS]

Poll Summary thus far:

22 Folks think accident
18 for Foul play
18 weather related
4 drug related
2 self harm

While the majority (approx 4X as many!) do think he will be found in water.

What are your notions ?

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[Momoffourboys]

Weather is expected to improve and temps are going up.
Hope this helps bring ZM hope to his loved ones.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/USMA0046:1:US

 

[carbuff]

Wow.

"Matthew, 33, was last seen with his girlfriend and a group of friends, celebrating Mardi Gras at a bar in downtown Williamsport. Family members say he had a little too much to drink, and after stepping out for some air, was not let back into the bar.

It is believed that Stoner decided to walk the 10 or so minutes back to his mother's house, where he had been living at the time.

Officials tracked down the last known images of Stoner, a grainy surveillance video showing him walking onto the Market Street Bridge. He never made it to the other side."

That's uncanny! I'll be interested to to see if the bar denies he was kept out...

It would appear bridges and late night drinking don't mix.

There are a lot of things that don't mix with late-night drinking. Most of them seemed like good ideas at the time.

I'm not saying I have personal experience but I do occasionally wonder how I reached adulthood in one piece...


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[ninij9]

There are a lot of things that don't mix with late-night drinking. Most of them seemed like good ideas at the time.

I'm not saying I have personal experience but I do occasionally wonder how I reached adulthood in one piece...


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To me that's what makes these cases so achingly sad, so many of us have done crazy stupid things as young ones, but by the grace of God we lived to shake our heads over it.

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[frisson]

Checking in daily in hopes that he's been found.

 

[Steleheart]

I was looking for videos on navigating the dam from the river to the harbor. This google view is with the bridge in the up position and heading out from the river. You can rotate it and view every angle from the boat and travel up or down river.


https://www.google.com/maps/@42.368...4!1sGSWfV62lNI02Ju3AfgnHcg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Steleheart]

My finger hurts from trying to follow that boat with my mouse from the Salt N' Pepper bridge to the dam. Darn. But I was looking for the walkway Zach may have used to get onto the tracks. I am still assuming he was trying to get into North Station if it was closed already?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longfellow_Bridge


It's been more than a decade since I have been down there along the river watching boaters waiting for the locks to open and that was way before the Zakim Bridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_P._Zakim_Bunker_Hill_Memorial_Bridge

 

[sun16]

I think about this situation at least a couple of times a day, mainly when looking out the window of the train when commuting. Maybe it's just natural - one human being thinking about another human being, when you hear an unfortunate story, whether you knew the person or not. I know it's unreasonable, but if this were my loved one, and I could, I think I'd be down at the river every day walking around, looking, waiting, I don't know. Like I said, I know that's not really going to help anything, but at least I'd know my loved one was there in the water in that area. It's not like we have no idea where he is. Does anyone else think about this situation like that? It seems wrong to just leave him there or stop looking, but I get the basics of why, and what more right now are they supposed to do. It's ... frustrating to say the least!

 

[Cape7]

I think I would be the same way. I couldn't stay away until I had answers or resolution to the situation. I would be hounding people for help in searching. I can't even imagine living this nightmare that his family is dealing with.

 

[Wish I Knew]

Daily check to see if he's been found.....

 

[CARIIS]

I think about this situation at least a couple of times a day, mainly when looking out the window of the train when commuting. Maybe it's just natural - one human being thinking about another human being, when you hear an unfortunate story, whether you knew the person or not. I know it's unreasonable, but if this were my loved one, and I could, I think I'd be down at the river every day walking around, looking, waiting, I don't know. Like I said, I know that's not really going to help anything, but at least I'd know my loved one was there in the water in that area. It's not like we have no idea where he is. Does anyone else think about this situation like that? It seems wrong to just leave him there or stop looking, but I get the basics of why, and what more right now are they supposed to do. It's ... frustrating to say the least!

RE; least a couple of times a day,

your not alone, I do too, dont really know why and feel the same way, I can cognitivily tell myself at some point they have to stop looking, but it feels like it was short from the beginning.

Since Zach I have looked up oterh similir ones - and they seemed to stay on the news a lot longer.

It really became a no more coverage around what 5 days in.......................a lot of the others stayed in the press a lot longer

I almost have wondered if it is like densentation for Boston - seems like there have been a lot of similiar events - maybe they just know the outcomes better than those of us who dont hear this kinda stuff

Another thing that struck me, in terms of reading about other ones , here, it is interesting as to what dynamics happen on WS.

Some of the others in the area got like 100 posts while Zach is on thread two. Wonder what makes that happen?

 

[Spider92]

I think about this situation at least a couple of times a day, mainly when looking out the window of the train when commuting. Maybe it's just natural - one human being thinking about another human being, when you hear an unfortunate story, whether you knew the person or not. I know it's unreasonable, but if this were my loved one, and I could, I think I'd be down at the river every day walking around, looking, waiting, I don't know. Like I said, I know that's not really going to help anything, but at least I'd know my loved one was there in the water in that area. It's not like we have no idea where he is. Does anyone else think about this situation like that? It seems wrong to just leave him there or stop looking, but I get the basics of why, and what more right now are they supposed to do. It's ... frustrating to say the least!

It's hard to say what's best for the family to do. I can envision a health professional urging them to resume their daily routines. Focusing all of their time and energy on a problem that they likely cannot solve could lead to a withdrawal from society and a deep depression. My inclination would be to do as you suggest but I think it would ultimately lead me to a worse place emotionally.

 

[JeannaT]

It's hard to say what's best for the family to do. I can envision a health professional urging them to resume their daily routines. Focusing all of their time and energy on a problem that they likely cannot solve could lead to a withdrawal from society and a deep depression. My inclination would be to do as you suggest but I think it would ultimately lead me to a worse place emotionally.

It hasn't been a month yet. I think it would be unhealthy, at this point, for the family to resume their daily routines and completely stop searching. You have to try.

I think if this goes into 6 months, it's time to try to resume normal routines. The blessing here, is there is videotape appearing to clearly show he fell into the river. That's the best outcome that's possible - no foul play, no enormous mystery about WHERE IS HE, WHAT HAPPENED? It don't want to see the video they have, but if it's very clear he was walking along and fell into the river through the bridge thing, at least they can rest assured they have the answer.

But at less than a month missing, I would still be there every day looking for my son if I were his parent. Every day.

 

[Jerri Blank]

It hasn't been a month yet. I think it would be unhealthy, at this point, for the family to resume their daily routines and completely stop searching. You have to try.

I think if this goes into 6 months, it's time to try to resume normal routines. The blessing here, is there is videotape appearing to clearly show he fell into the river. That's the best outcome that's possible - no foul play, no enormous mystery about WHERE IS HE, WHAT HAPPENED? It don't want to see the video they have, but if it's very clear he was walking along and fell into the river through the bridge thing, at least they can rest assured they have the answer.

But at less than a month missing, I would still be there every day looking for my son if I were his parent. Every day.

i can understand what you're saying, and i am not trying to be contrary here. i write this with all due respect....

but having spent several years counseling grieving families, it's incredibly misguided to say what anyone should or shouldn't be doing at any given point following a loss. what you think you would do may very well not be what you would actually do, and even if it is what you would do, it may not be what another person needs to do to cope with his or her own grief. if they aren't causing harm to themselves or others, who are any of us to judge how people we don't know are grieving this horrible tragedy?

 

[carbuff]

RE; least a couple of times a day,

your not alone, I do too, dont really know why and feel the same way, I can cognitivily tell myself at some point they have to stop looking, but it feels like it was short from the beginning.

Since Zach I have looked up oterh similir ones - and they seemed to stay on the news a lot longer.

It really became a no more coverage around what 5 days in.......................a lot of the others stayed in the press a lot longer

I almost have wondered if it is like densentation for Boston - seems like there have been a lot of similiar events - maybe they just know the outcomes better than those of us who dont hear this kinda stuff

Another thing that struck me, in terms of reading about other ones , here, it is interesting as to what dynamics happen on WS.

Some of the others in the area got like 100 posts while Zach is on thread two. Wonder what makes that happen?

I wouldn't say desensitized exactly, because it is and remains a tragic thing every time, but yes, because Boston is a city on the water, surrounded by water, full of ponds and streams, whose living depends on water, people die by water much more often than they do most places.

I guess it's the Boston equivalent of a drunk driving crash.

 

[CARIIS]

IMO greiving is individual experience.

 

[CARIIS]

Anyone with FB or whatever can you see if there have more posts about this from cousins ?? Recent stuff maybe ? I dont have or know much about , nothing actually, about how to check it out TIA

 

[Eileen730]

RE; least a couple of times a day,

your not alone, I do too, dont really know why and feel the same way, I can cognitivily tell myself at some point they have to stop looking, but it feels like it was short from the beginning.

Since Zach I have looked up oterh similir ones - and they seemed to stay on the news a lot longer.

It really became a no more coverage around what 5 days in.......................a lot of the others stayed in the press a lot longer

I almost have wondered if it is like densentation for Boston - seems like there have been a lot of similiar events - maybe they just know the outcomes better than those of us who dont hear this kinda stuff

Another thing that struck me, in terms of reading about other ones , here, it is interesting as to what dynamics happen on WS.

Some of the others in the area got like 100 posts while Zach is on thread two. Wonder what makes that happen?

I think its because we pretty much know what happened to him and have to wait for LE to find him in that water. They saw what happened to him. Some of these other guys have just vanished into thin air with no visuals to help in the investigations.

what more can be said here.
We hope he is found soon!

 

[Lamima]

Checking in. Been over reading about the Joey LaBute case in OH (and that led me to read up on Brian Shaffer from 10 years ago)...this happens too often- says a worried mom of a 19 year old college student son.

 

[carbuff]

Checking in. Been over reading about the Joey LaBute case in OH (and that led me to read up on Brian Shaffer from 10 years ago)...this happens too often- says a worried mom of a 19 year old college student son.

My son went to college in Pittsburgh, a city with lots of high bridges over deep water. I had a few nightmares, let me tell you. But I showed him some of the cases and explained that I thought the main reason few women fall into bodies of water is that they're much more careful about keeping track of each other. And he and his friends were more careful when they went out, not that they drank much anyway. Maybe that's something you could explain to him?