Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #2

[CARIIS]

Zachary M. Marr
of Harvard, formerly of Leominster; 22

HARVARD -- Zachary M. Marr, 22, of Harvard, formerly of Leominster, died Tuesday, March 15, 2016.

Zach was born and raised in Leominster, MA and was a graduate of Leominster High School Class of 2012. For the past two years, he had resided in Harvard with his father.

Zachary leaves behind his father, Matthew M. Marr and Deborah Drummey of Harvard, his mother, Christine A. (Fortier) Marr of Leominster; his sister, Danielle C. Marr and her companion, Matthew Saunders of Ayer; maternal grandparents, Andre and Catherine Fortier; Zach's great uncle and the patriarch of the Marr Family, Raymond and his wife Marilyn Marr of Ft. Myers, Florida; and numerous aunts, uncles, and cousins.

He was predeceased by his paternal grandparents, Norman H. and Elizabeth L. Marr.

Zach was in his second semester at Mount Wachusett Community College and working full time at Quiet Logistics. He was strong willed, outgoing, very friendly, and had a special way of communicating with others, young and old. He loved to play soccer, golf, and camping in Old Orchard Beach, Maine.

Zachary will truly be missed by his entire family and friends.

MARR -- A Funeral Mass will be celebrated 11 A.M., Wednesday, March 23rd at St. Anne's Church, 75 King Street, Littleton. Burial will be in Bellevue Cemetery, Harvard. Calling hours are 4-7 p.m., Tuesday, March 22nd at the Anderson Funeral Home, 25 Fitchburg Rd. (Rte. 2A), Ayer. Please see www.andersonfuneral.com for additional information.

Published in Sentinel & Enterprise on Mar. 18, 2016- See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/fi...pid=178097476&fhid=25304#sthash.uJjtiS3T.dpuf

 

[bighairdontcare]

I am thinking that the medical examiner did not find much of any water in his lungs. If he fell through the hole and was able to tread water for some time until the cold water caused the hypothermia to stop his heart and lungs.

JMO's

Hole? There was some sort of hole where he "entered" the water ?


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[rotary_dial]

Hole? There was some sort of hole where he "entered" the water ?


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You really need to read back over the thread. There are pictures of the area he was believed to have entered the water. Apparently he was trespassing on a railway bridge in the dark and stepped through an opening.

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[bighairdontcare]

You really need to read back over the thread. There are pictures of the area he was believed to have entered the water. Apparently he was trespassing on a railway bridge in the dark and stepped through an opening.

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Sorry,.. New to thread. Must have not caught that . Thanks


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[bessie]

ADMIN NOTE: STOP the constant victim blaming. Conjecture flies untethered all through this thread, running head first into brick walls at every turn.

If you can't link it, then DO NOT post it. Or at least learn to stay within bounds.

 

[CARIIS]

I am thinking that the medical examiner did not find much of any water in his lungs. If he fell through the hole and was able to tread water for some time until the cold water caused the hypothermia to stop his heart and lungs.

Ugh that is a sadder picture for me

 

[rotary_dial]

Matthew Marr, Zachary’s father, said police recently contacted the family about the grim footage, which shows Marr on a walkway, and then walking on train tracks before he disappears into the water.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...harvard-man/pLMo6ls3KrMVveRGYDQFDM/story.html


I hope my comment wasn't misinterpreted as victim blaming. If he was walking on the tracks/right of way, he was trespassing. MA law makes that very clear.

ETA: MA law for those who may be curious:
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXXII/Chapter160/Section218



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[CARIIS]

ADMIN NOTE: STOP the constant victim blaming. Conjecture flies untethered all through this thread, running head first into brick walls at every turn.

If you can't link it, then DO NOT post it. Or at least learn to stay within bounds.

Conjecture flies untethered all through this thread

that is an awesome sentance Bessie !!!!

 

[CARIIS]

I cant delete post before this sorry

Hole? There was some sort of hole where he "entered" the water ?

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There was a picture a while back from "the area" media guessed where he was. Authorites never stated any of that. Newpapers needed a photo.

So they aimed their camera - put a caption under it; something like area where police think he went into the water somewhere in this general area around here somewhere.

It then, as Bessie so elequently described (!) went into he was on those very tracks for sure, in a random picture of the general area.

In said picture, there is a gap between the service walkways on the rail , so the media now knows that he must have fallen through the hole in the picture the media aimed some camera. Authorties never said anything like that.

Authorties never stated he went through any hole.

In fact, the expression "entered" was the adjective intially used in the release by those who had actually seen the video. That over the next few days turned into fell (no hole, ever mentioned by authorties)

Several days later the media turned it into seen around here and then "disappeared" into the "water" , not a "hole" anywhere.

There was never any statement by authoties as to exactly what railroad track the CCTV was from, its angle etc etc. There are tons of railroad tracks in that area.

I may enter a shower. I may enter the pool. I may enter a store. I may enter my home. I may enter a lake.I could enter a bank. Or a car dealership.A grocery store.

If I fell in a store,shower,pool, car dealership , grocery, my house,or lake i would say I fell into
a store,shower,pool,my house,or lake etc.

When I fall I never share the experiance describing myself as entering anywhere. I fell. I say I fell.
was seen falling ..........
son died after falling ...
man died Monday after he fell (bolding not me !)
News media use entered:

suspected burglar entered the home
documents show how man entered school

if someone I loved was missing, the only thing I would get out of press breifing was that my loved one was in the water as oppossed to on land. There was some speculation that "entered" , used intially, was "kinder". I would not be senstive to the word "disappearred" ( I already know that) . "Entered"would actually result in my having more questions. Disappeared I understand. Entered - what do you mean entered? Just mo

http://www.kcci.com/news/teams-work-to-rescue-2-men-from-icy-lake-too-thin-to-stand-on/37756626

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2016/02/01/highland-township-lake-fatal/79645508/

http://q13fox.com/2016/02/15/young-man-dies-after-falling-into-lake-symington-kitsap-county-sheriffs-office-says/

enter: come or go into (a place).
disappeared: cease to be visible.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=definition+of+disappeared

 

[Safeguard]

For Zach and those who cared:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GiE6xTmARro

 

[Safeguard]

CHARIIS,
I fail to understand this obsession with the word choice: "entered"? He fell, he slipped, he somehow entered the Charles. This young person lost his life, splitting hairs over the wording, in news accounts seems trite, at this point. I feel sure his family is not losing sleep over the wording used.

 

[coeurfragile]

Zachary M. Marr
of Harvard, formerly of Leominster; 22

HARVARD -- Zachary M. Marr, 22, of Harvard, formerly of Leominster, died Tuesday, March 15, 2016.

Snipped by me...

is it common for the obituaries of people who have been missing to list their recovery date as their date of death? I would venture a guess that Zachary was deceased the day he disappeared and fell into the river. Certainly not March 15th.

Would his death certificate list Feb 13th as his date of death?

Not that it actually matters, I'm just curious. I'm sure he wasn't officially "deceased" to the family until he was recovered.

 

[Safeguard]

I noticed that also. I guess that was the date he was known, for certain, to be dead. I know in the military, it is rumer, no one dies on Christmas... perhaps this was the date they consider they lost him.

 

[carbuff]

I've seen families do it both ways, and sometimes an in-between date if there's evidence the person was alive after they disappeared. I don't think there's any rule.

 

[bighairdontcare]

When I found my dad deceased , it was determined that he had been dead for almost 48 hours - however, his date of death was the day that he was found and technically "pronounced"...


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[jggordo]

CHARIIS,
I fail to understand this obsession with the word choice: "entered"? He fell, he slipped, he somehow entered the Charles. This young person lost his life, splitting hairs over the wording, in news accounts seems trite, at this point. I feel sure his family is not losing sleep over the wording used.

I'm nor CARIIS but I believe that one word could be critical in determining any liabilities in the future. IF he 'fell' through a hole that someone should have kept in good repair, then they could be sued for negligence, IMO. IF he jumped into the river, a suicide. IF he slipped and fell in a"no trespassing zone" an accident. That given the sign was readily able to see at that hour of night.

So JMO that one word could be a very important one.

 

[Trident]

I'm nor CARIIS but I believe that one word could be critical in determining any liabilities in the future. IF he 'fell' through a hole that someone should have kept in good repair, then they could be sued for negligence, IMO. IF he jumped into the river, a suicide. IF he slipped and fell in a"no trespassing zone" an accident. That given the sign was readily able to see at that hour of night.

So JMO that one word could be a very important one.

ITA. "Entered" the river could mean he "entered" of his own free will - or he entered the river through a hole, or he entered the river after being pushed, etc. That word gives too much wiggle room. IF the video shows what happened/how it happened, I would expect and demand, if I were the parents, a clearer picture.

:cow:

 

[jggordo]

ITA. "Entered" the river could mean he "entered" of his own free will - or he entered the river through a hole, or he entered the river after being pushed, etc. That word gives too much wiggle room. IF the video shows what happened/how it happened, I would expect and demand, if I were the parents, a clearer picture.

:cow:

I also believe that the authorities are giving families a lot more say and latitude as to information released when no criminal activity is involved. IF the death has nothing to do with public safety, it becomes a family issue as to how much detail is revealed.

In the case of Brad Cook who went missing in KS. Thousands helped look for home for a couple weeks. When he was found LE announced "no foul play". The family hired an attorney to issue a generic public thank you statement. A funeral was held and no more information has ever been released.

JMO's

 

[Trident]

I also believe that the authorities are giving families a lot more say and latitude as to information released when no criminal activity is involved. IF the death has nothing to do with public safety, it becomes a family issue as to how much detail is revealed.

In the case of Brad Cook who went missing in KS. Thousands helped look for home for a couple weeks. When he was found LE announced "no foul play". The family hired an attorney to issue a generic public thank you statement. A funeral was held and no more information has ever been released.

JMO's

Excellent point, one that I hadn't considered. Sometimes in these cases, we don't know all the facts, and no matter how we twist, turn and try to figure it out, there is one little thing we leave out - such as it is up to the family. Great point, something I will always try to remember. Thanks.

 

[Safeguard]

"Police said a surveillance video appeared to show Marr falling into the water."

Also...

"his death appeared to be consistent with a fall into very cold water".

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...rd-resident/Ay8zqc4ArFpsVVjUnml74O/story.html