Madeleine died 'after large sleeping pill overdose'

[boho]

Hello everyone, I am new on here and have been reading ALL the forums with great interest. On the subject of sedation, I would like to add that there are other ways to sedate, vapours etc? Just a thought but what was Kate McCann trained as? Obstetrician and Anaesthetics? How mad is it ever even to think this? But sadly it is feasible ........just! The twists and turns in this have made just about anything possible.

Had Maddy been, as reported hyperactive and noisy, I would doubt she would have allowed a needle near her? To lull her off to sleep gently first would be good? Cuddling cuddle cut maybe? If IV was used there would be track marks and that would be very difficult to wriggle out of! Maybe that is a reason why she has never been found? Purely speculative of course.

No? Just an amateur playing at detective. I am so shocked that my brain is even thinking these things? You are all coming up with brilliant theories but they are ONLY theories. It saddens me how the game CLUEDO has suddenly taken on a life of its own.

If my first post has in anyway offended or upset anyone I apologise. Like everyone on here I just want justice for a little girl who has silently vanished. Thank you.

 

[Texana]

Texana, yes. Some docs wanted to put my son on meds when he was 5 and we refused, as well as other doctor's opinions. Some docs thought he was too young. I really cannot see a doctor putting on meds a 3 year old unless the child is really a mental case beyond ADHD.

There's not much reason unless a child is actually in school IMO to start ADD/ADHD meds--unless a child is really severely impacted--I'm thinking more in terms of impulse control for children who act out aggressively rather than anything else.

I thought it was interesting that Kate McCann's father announced publicly they had talking about having another child before Maddie disappeared. Was that just another attempt to solidify the McCanns' public image as "child-oriented" parents, or did they really think they should have another child?

 

[boho]

Sorry if I offended. I never mentioned anyone taking 'luminol'? over from the UK!
I merely pointed out that other ways of sedation are possible. No drugs in particular were mentioned.
I just find it very strange that even if a tragic accident had happened and that the parents were in any way responsible WHY DID THEY NOT TAKE HER TO A HOSPITAL and admit there had been a dreadful accident for which they would never forgive themselves? WHY!!
IV marks cannot be hidden?
Interestingly whilst I am just an amateur sleuth I do happen to be an expert in ASC which your boards have also picked up.
Ritalin and Dexedrine both blackboxed controlled Class A drugs are only prescribed by a Consultant Psychiatrist in the UK. Of course Doctors are allowed over here to prescribe for their families but .................even this is going too far.
GP's also carry drugs with them. I know home visiting GP's and they always carry a medical bag with them, even in their own cars.
Ritalin has been prescribed for young children but only in very rare diagnosed conditions. It is still very difficult to get a diagnosis of ADHD in a child that young in the UK. Even if you do, the likelhood of Ritalin being prescribed is relatively low. I would suspect that if Maddy was diagnosed with ADHD and in need of treatment she would also have a SEN in place.
I do not appear to have read anything to have supported that.
Often Ritalin is accompanied with the drug Respiradol, it helps with meltdowns, rebounds and appetite problems.
Please do not shout me down, I admit my imagination is a bit wild BUT quite frankly in this particular case I think anything is possible.

 

[Shazza]

Sorry if I offended. I never mentioned anyone taking 'luminol'? over from the UK!
I merely pointed out that other ways of sedation are possible. No drugs in particular were mentioned.
I just find it very strange that even if a tragic accident had happened and that the parents were in any way responsible WHY DID THEY NOT TAKE HER TO A HOSPITAL and admit there had been a dreadful accident for which they would never forgive themselves? WHY!!
IV marks cannot be hidden?
Interestingly whilst I am just an amateur sleuth I do happen to be an expert in ASC which your boards have also picked up.
Ritalin and Dexedrine both blackboxed controlled Class A drugs are only prescribed by a Consultant Psychiatrist in the UK. Of course Doctors are allowed over here to prescribe for their families but .................even this is going too far.
GP's also carry drugs with them. I know home visiting GP's and they always carry a medical bag with them, even in their own cars.
Ritalin has been prescribed for young children but only in very rare diagnosed conditions. It is still very difficult to get a diagnosis of ADHD in a child that young in the UK. Even if you do, the likelhood of Ritalin being prescribed is relatively low. I would suspect that if Maddy was diagnosed with ADHD and in need of treatment she would also have a SEN in place.
I do not appear to have read anything to have supported that.
Often Ritalin is accompanied with the drug Respiradol, it helps with meltdowns, rebounds and appetite problems.
Please do not shout me down, I admit my imagination is a bit wild BUT quite frankly in this particular case I think anything is possible.

Welcome to WS
You have put forward some great points boho, I seem to lean towards accidental death caused by sedation, but the parents were to worried about the effect this would have on them, so hence why they did not take her to hospital and covered up her death.

 

[IrishMist]

Hopefully, we'll know if this is a possibility when the toxicology tests come back.

 

[colomom]

Sorry if I offended. I never mentioned anyone taking 'luminol'? over from the UK!
I merely pointed out that other ways of sedation are possible. No drugs in particular were mentioned.
I just find it very strange that even if a tragic accident had happened and that the parents were in any way responsible WHY DID THEY NOT TAKE HER TO A HOSPITAL and admit there had been a dreadful accident for which they would never forgive themselves? WHY!!
IV marks cannot be hidden?
Interestingly whilst I am just an amateur sleuth I do happen to be an expert in ASC which your boards have also picked up.
Ritalin and Dexedrine both blackboxed controlled Class A drugs are only prescribed by a Consultant Psychiatrist in the UK. Of course Doctors are allowed over here to prescribe for their families but .................even this is going too far.
GP's also carry drugs with them. I know home visiting GP's and they always carry a medical bag with them, even in their own cars.
Ritalin has been prescribed for young children but only in very rare diagnosed conditions. It is still very difficult to get a diagnosis of ADHD in a child that young in the UK. Even if you do, the likelhood of Ritalin being prescribed is relatively low. I would suspect that if Maddy was diagnosed with ADHD and in need of treatment she would also have a SEN in place.
I do not appear to have read anything to have supported that.
Often Ritalin is accompanied with the drug Respiradol, it helps with meltdowns, rebounds and appetite problems.
Please do not shout me down, I admit my imagination is a bit wild BUT quite frankly in this particular case I think anything is possible.

Boho,

I am very sorry if you felt that you "offended" anyone, I don't think this was the case at all. Please excuse any misunderstanding.

I would like very much to hear more about your theories considering your area of expertise. Please tell me what exactly is "ASC"?

Do not be concerned about voicing your ideas/questions/theories, for the most part your input will be welcomed.

Sedation of the children has been a widely discussed theory with one media source reporting that Gerry admited it. I also wondered why, if an accident happened, why an a ambulance wasn't called...unless there would be damaging evidence should an autopsy be performed.

Please stick around, we need experts!!

 

[boho]

Welcome to WS
You have put forward some great points boho, I seem to lean towards accidental death caused by sedation, but the parents were to worried about the effect this would have on them, so hence why they did not take her to hospital and covered up her death.

Phew thanks Shazza, nothing like baptism of fire!!
I despise the way I am even thinking at the moment, I totally agree with you, sadly I am leaning also to thinking that Kate and Gerry were only looking out for themselves. It is all self and more self!

Lot of questions to be answered. If you have time click into this, a 15yr old lad who makes more sense that anyone I have heard yet. Out of the mouths of babes eh!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vwsqXg71HXo&NR=1

Getting late here so off to bed now. Sleep well or have a good day wherever you are! Night night! x

 

[boho]

Boho,

I am very sorry if you felt that you "offended" anyone, I don't think this was the case at all. Please excuse any misunderstanding.

I would like very much to hear more about your theories considering your area of expertise. Please tell me what exactly is "ASC"?

Do not be concerned about voicing your ideas/questions/theories, for the most part your input will be welcomed.

Sedation of the children has been a widely discussed theory with one media source reporting that Gerry admited it. I also wondered why, if an accident happened, why an a ambulance wasn't called...unless there would be damaging evidence should an autopsy be performed.

Please stick around, we need experts!!

Awww thanks!! Just as I was gonna log off! Just time for a quick reply! IV track marks would definitely be noticed if she had been taken to hospital. Could not even be mistaken for a mosquito bite! Would certainly be picked up on post mortem.
ASC is Autistic Spectrum Conditions. Prof Christopher Gillberg prefers this term as opposed to Autistic Spectrum 'Disorders'. I tend to agree that is a kinder term and more accurate!
Hope that helps! Off up the stairs now, hope to see you here again tomorrow! What will have the PJ and the media have turned up by then. Thanks again for the welcome! x

 

[Shazza]

Phew thanks Shazza, nothing like baptism of fire!!
I despise the way I am even thinking at the moment, I totally agree with you, sadly I am leaning also to thinking that Kate and Gerry were only looking out for themselves. It is all self and more self!

Lot of questions to be answered. If you have time click into this, a 15yr old lad who makes more sense that anyone I have heard yet. Out of the mouths of babes eh!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vwsqXg71HXo&NR=1

Getting late here so off to bed now. Sleep well or have a good day wherever you are! Night night! x

Thanks for the link boho, very enlightening theory from a 15 year old.

 

[Shazza]

Hopefully, we'll know if this is a possibility when the toxicology tests come back.

We need the body before we can do toxicology tests, if Madelaine is found it may be too late to do those sorts of tests due to decomposition, I do not know much about this, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

We need the body before we can do toxicology tests, if Madelaine is found it may be too late to do those sorts of tests due to decomposition, I do not know much about this, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

It can be done on the hair, bodily fluids, blood found in the car, and apartment. They also may have other evidence, syringes, cups, paper towels, tissues, etc...

I hope the police took all bed linings etc... Babies tend to drool big time.

I think the parents need to be drug tested too. That should have been done when social services was meeting and investigating them before they decided to leave the last two children under their care. Law enforcement and social services would have demanded that in my area. To see what kind of influences someone may be under that could hinder judgement and care.

I wonder if police collected their trash?

 

[IrishMist]

We need the body before we can do toxicology tests, if Madelaine is found it may be too late to do those sorts of tests due to decomposition, I do not know much about this, hopefully it doesnt come to that.

I thought they were testing the hairs they supposedly found?

 

[philamena]

boho,
From what I've read so far, no one knows if Maddie had a medical reason to take Ritalin. There are many rumors posted as fact about this case in news papers and on forums. Sadly neither rumor nor fact can be proven when Maddie is still missing.

 

[philamena]

I thought they were testing the hairs they supposedly found?

IrishMist,
You're right. The hairs are supposed to be tested.

 

[colomom]

Due to a previous post by me, I felt compelled to post on this thread. I have been on the fence and daily sway from side to side .... emotions, evidence, leaks, etc. There is so much to consider here, and it's all nerve wracking. I want to believe they are innocent, because I don't want to think that someone could harm their child and then carry on like they did not.

One of the statements I made when questioning something was that I like to play the devil's advocate and provoke thought. After reading this thread, I can see how some might perceive that as "baiting", and I felt compelled to defend my statement.

I have been a member for a few years here, but don't post that often. I have been following the Teresa Parker case because it is very close to me and where I live. I have made many posts here on the Maddie forum. I have also followed the case of the mother and family killed in Powder Springs. It is very close to me as well.

It is my emotions and my detective instinct that draws me here to WS.

I have a 5 year old daughter, so this case really tugs at my heart. But, I also try to look at both sides.

With all that being said, I just want to make it clear that I am not being paid to be here (of course if I were, then I could certainly spend more time here).

I think this is an awesome thread, and I agree there are probably many "snakes" here, but I don't want you all to think that all fence sitters on this case are "snakes". I hope this makes sense, and that no one has any hard feelings towards me.

No way...no how...no matter what...never....

 

[Shazza]

I thought they were testing the hairs they supposedly found?

Your right Irishmist, there is just so much happening I forget some of the information that has been posted as there is so much to take in, I wish I could do a system restore on my brain.

 

[philamena]

I'm trying to find this information so any help would be appreciated....
was it ever confirmed that the DNA found in the boot of the car was sleeping pills?

 

[colomom]

I'm trying to find this information so any help would be appreciated....
was it ever confirmed that the DNA found in the boot of the car was sleeping pills?

Just go to Google.com and enter "Soir sleeping pill mccann " as the search term and there you go.....

 

[april4sky]

I thought they were testing the hairs they supposedly found?

Regarding the "Hair"

Interesting interview with Dr Baden on Greta yesterday.

He said they would have known within ten minutes of testing "Madeleine's" hair found in the car whether it was from a live Madeleine or a dead Madeleine.
Do the Portuguese police already know this?
They have said they don't know whether Madeleine is dead.

I know some things are still being tested but If Dr Baden is right the hair test wouldn't have taken this long.

Regarding DNA results for traces of sleeping pills. I am not aware of any confirmation about that. Just rumors.

 

[philamena]

Just go to Google.com and enter "Soir sleeping pill mccann " as the search term and there you go.....

Thanks.