Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 12

[mrsmousemat]

Their jobs may be ruined if those articles go unchallenged. And unless the articles charges are successfully refuted and/or the real culprit found (if other than the parents) by L.E. their careers may already be gone and how then are they to take care of the remaining children and feed them and raise them?[/quote]


I agree, because if the McCanns get a reputation as killers, it may stop people from looking for Madeleine and, if she is still alive, this would be a terrible outcome for her.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Here's some comment on Portugese libel law (in todays timesonline) which explains the earlier confusion about the McCanns fighting the criminal case all the way to the courts. Apparently they can sue for both criminal libel and civil libel, in two different courts.

Thanks Morag, it clears up the confusion.

 

[Morag]

It may be a number of months before this suit is heard, so it may be hoped that the filing of the suit will have the effect of muting some of the more critical stories in the press.
The next story in T & Q should be revealing: if it is still harshly critical, then that means they are very confident in their abililty to defend themselves.

 

[colomom]

I am a firm believer in what goes around, comes around and what you put out there into the world is what you will get back.

So would you say that anyone who have a family member injured - say in a car crash for instance -would have had to do something bad to deserve this happening to them?

Do you think the McCanns did something very bad to lode their child as payback?

I never said anything even remotely close to that! Nothing is that simple.

 

[Morag]

Here's a quote from a Sol story (sorry, no link, but the entire story is in a post on 7/15 by CaliKid.)

One of the employees that was on duty that evening does not remember a lot of movement: “I only remember a tall, grey-haired man getting up once from the table”. It was Russell, who, two days earlier, also had attended dinner.

I know that we have frequently referred to Russell's grey hair, even noting that Jane Tanner's description of the child-carrying man was opposite to Russell's appearance (short v tall, grey v dark, etc).

Here's a link to some photos of the Tapas group:

http://img394.imageshack.us/im.....mesbz4.jpg

There is only one grey-haired man in this group, and it's not Russell.


Try this link instead:http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2182/facesandnamesbz4.jpg

(If this link doesn't work, may I refer to the thread title of the message board which I got it from? Or is that a forum no no?)

 

[mjak]

I am a firm believer in what goes around, comes around and what you put out there into the world is what you will get back.

Unfotunitly, I can tell you from first hand experience this is not true. I am a person who has spent my life trying to do good and right. I am the person in the blizzard checking on the elderly bringing them food. I am the one at work volunteering for everything. I even rescued a 3 year old child once. I buy christmas gifts for needy children. I could go on and onn. My point is I am a good person who has always done good and my life is in the toliet now. My health is very very bad, my job situation is a nightmare and I could go on and on. My point is as much as I wish what you statement is truth, and even thought I now believe it to be false ,I will still put out my very best into this world because that is the person I am. No one should expect to get back what they put out. They should put out becuase it is what they believe they need to do.

mjak

 

[Morag]

I came across this when I was looking for other information:

The blogger at Gazeta Digital (Paulo) has asked:
Please: Somebody can tell me, the distance between LEICESTER CITY and SOME OF THE MAIN CITIES of South Yorkshire area, LIKE SHEFFIELD? Or/and send me a map where I can find the city of Leicester and the biggest cities of South Yorkshire? Same thing for the geographical position and distance from LEICESTER CITY TO NORTH EAST AREA (MAIN CITIES) and MANCHESTER. Thank you.Paulo Reis ([email protected])

Paulo Reis is now reporting for timesonline. As a blogger, he was looking for this information, and we wondered what he meant by this. I wonder a little harder now that I have learned he is working for the Times. I also wonder why he couldn't find this map and other info online!

 

[mrsmousemat]

Unfotunitly, I can tell you from first hand experience this is not true. I am a person who has spent my life trying to do good and right. I am the person in the blizzard checking on the elderly bringing them food. I am the one at work volunteering for everything. I even rescued a 3 year old child once. I buy christmas gifts for needy children. I could go on and onn. My point is I am a good person who has always done good and my life is in the toliet now. My health is very very bad, my job situation is a nightmare and I could go on and on. My point is as much as I wish what you statement is truth, and even thought I now believe it to be false ,I will still put out my very best into this world because that is the person I am. No one should expect to get back what they put out. They should put out becuase it is what they believe they need to do.

mjak

I didn't say that 'what goes round comes round' - I was quoting poster Colomom.

From what I see of the world, it is transparently untrue, otherwise how do you explain what has happened to Madeleine?

 

[mjak]

I didn't say that 'what goes round comes round' - I was quoting poster Colomom.

From what I see of the world, it is transparently untrue, otherwise how do you explain what has happened to Madeleine?

Oh I was unsure who said it. I did realize you were quoting it. I was just responding that I do not believe it.

mjak

 

[mrsmousemat]

There is a post on another websites that I found of interest.


It said that the patio doors were locked and the McCanns later said that they were unlocked, after learning that they could be prosecuted under Portuguese law for leaving children in a locked room. And that is why they were so certain that she had been abducted.

What do other posters think about this theory?

 

[mjak]

There is a post on another websites that I found of interest.


It said that the patio doors were locked and the McCanns later said that they were unlocked, after learning that they could be prosecuted under Portuguese law for leaving children in a locked room. And that is why they were so certain that she had been abducted.

What do other posters think about this theory?

I think if this is true it says the McCanns are dishonest and there character should not be trusted. Unforunitly, like everything else it is
just more hersay and can't be believed or not believed. This is the crux of what makes this case so fustarting and makes the parents look so questionable is we do not get fact because of PL law and instead get all could be's might be's. I feel bad for the parents cause they are stuck working in a system that is making them look negativly. However, I really feel bad for Maddie who is still missing..... Lets find her. I want to add that whether a door was open or not should be a pretty definitive thing to answer. Especially if that door is where you left your 3 babies home alone. The fact the answer has flipped and flopped numerous times again doe not bode well for the parents.

mjak

 

[CaliKid]

Unfotunitly, I can tell you from first hand experience this is not true. I am a person who has spent my life trying to do good and right. I am the person in the blizzard checking on the elderly bringing them food. I am the one at work volunteering for everything. I even rescued a 3 year old child once. I buy christmas gifts for needy children. I could go on and onn. My point is I am a good person who has always done good and my life is in the toliet now. My health is very very bad, my job situation is a nightmare and I could go on and on. My point is as much as I wish what you statement is truth, and even thought I now believe it to be false ,I will still put out my very best into this world because that is the person I am. No one should expect to get back what they put out. They should put out becuase it is what they believe they need to do.

mjak

In my experience, what goes around, comes around doesn't always work all that well either. If so, the criminals would die off quickly and the saints in our world would live long, fruitful lives. But I do believe that negative behavior on your part reaps negative back to you.

mjak, I know you aren't complaining or expecting sympathy, but I'm sorry to hear this. I will be keeping you in my prayers for better health and a change in your job situation. Love and peace.

Cali

 

[CaliKid]

There is a post on another websites that I found of interest.

It said that the patio doors were locked and the McCanns later said that they were unlocked, after learning that they could be prosecuted under Portuguese law for leaving children in a locked room. And that is why they were so certain that she had been abducted.

What do other posters think about this theory?

Well, you could also make a case for the McCanns locking the door and claiming the door was unlocked because it makes the abduction theory more believable. Supposedly the PJ and resort staff completely discounted the fact that the room looked broken into, including the "jemmied" shutters. But since the McCanns have been severely chastised by almost everyone for leaving the kids in an unlocked apartment, they're condemned no matter what the truth is. Either way, it's wrong.

 

[docwho3]

. . .I think in al lhonestly very few people here take any newspaper as gospel. IF they did why bother even participating here because the whole concept is based on discussion and sleuthing. If you allready know the definiitive, absolute , for certain solution there really is nothing to gain by participating here. . .

That is a bit naive. People often wish to do power plays, show off in some way to gain attention fam etc. and/or they have other motives as well. It is not a perfect world so there are those whose purpose in coming to a forum is not to simply find the truth. People do often grab onto whatever news article seems to support their own claims as to the solution of a case even if that article comes from the tabloid type press. One of my main points was that if even those who allegedly come to forums to find the truth can and often do end up swallowing what comes out of the press and believing it then it is reasonable to think that there are other in the public who may also do this. If one of those in the public who do this same thing also happen to have a small but real piece of info that might help solve the puzzle decide the piece of info is worthelss because the papers said the parents did it that is a tragedy. No matter how you and some others might wish differently, defamation of character is harmful sometimes and that is why there are laws against it.

 

[docwho3]

. . .If you were intelligent enough to figure that out what makes you think that the majority of people can't do the same? . . .

We are not talking of majority or minority. I spoke, among other things, of the damage done to the case by even one person believing the tabloid press saying the parents did it and that person not turning in a piece of seemingly insignificant info because the press made it seem unrelated in light of their "the parents did it" stories.

I also spoke of the damage done to careers and income by false accusations in the news stories. Whether you wish it or not defamation of character does cause damage to people and thats why we have laws against it.

 

[mjak]

That is a bit naive. People often wish to do power plays, show off in some way to gain attention fam etc. and/or they have other motives as well. It is not a perfect world so there are those whose purpose in coming to a forum is not to simply find the truth. People do often grab onto whatever news article seems to support their own claims as to the solution of a case even if that article comes from the tabloid type press. One of my main points was that if even those who allegedly come to forums to find the truth can and often do end up swallowing what comes out of the press and believing it then it is reasonable to think that there are other in the public who may also do this. If one of those in the public who do this same thing also happen to have a small but real piece of info that might help solve the puzzle decide the piece of info is worthelss because the papers said the parents did it that is a tragedy. No matter how you and some others might wish differently, defamation of character is harmful sometimes and that is why there are laws against it.

The only thing different with what you are saying is that some people come here with different reasons for trying to find the truth. Somepeople are instresed in helping a missing child others are I agree looking for self validation. However, they are all looking and therefore they share there findings and thoughts inorder to solicit discussion. My point is if someone really belived what the read was gospel they would have no need to discuss becuase they would no what happened to the missing child and could take appropriate action or in your example get there validation and boast their ego.

mjak

 

[mjak]

In my experience, what goes around, comes around doesn't always work all that well either. If so, the criminals would die off quickly and the saints in our world would live long, fruitful lives. But I do believe that negative behavior on your part reaps negative back to you.

mjak, I know you aren't complaining or expecting sympathy, but I'm sorry to hear this. I will be keeping you in my prayers for better health and a change in your job situation. Love and peace.

Cali

I absolulty agree that negative behavior does reap negativity in your life but a behavior is not the same thing as something negtive happing to you such as an illness. Thank you for your kind thoughts. No I was not asking for sympathy. I have a lot to be greatful for and appreciate that everyday.

mjak

 

[mjak]

We are not talking of majority or minority. I spoke, among other things, of the damage done to the case by even one person believing the tabloid press saying the parents did it and that person not turning in a piece of seemingly insignificant info because the press made it seem unrelated in light of their "the parents did it" stories.

I also spoke of the damage done to careers and income by false accusations in the news stories. Whether you wish it or not defamation of character does cause damage to people and thats why we have laws against it.

To have anykind of fruitful conversation here I think we have to talk about majorities. As there are exceptions to everything but we can't draw conclusions or deductive reasonable ideas if we do not focus on majoriteis and liklehoods. If you remove the majority variable you have kaoss.

mjak

 

[mjak]

At what point does P LE have to release what they know and to whom do they release it. The Mccaans can not be expected to live indeffinitly with a gag in their mouth that they insinuate is both very damaging to them personally but damagaing to attempts to find Maddie.

mjak

 

[docwho3]

To have anykind of fruitful conversation here I think we have to talk about majorities. As there are exceptions to everything but we can't draw conclusions or deductive reasonable ideas if we do not focus on majoriteis and liklehoods. If you remove the majority variable you have kaoss. . .

Not in the way I used the example. Sorry but things don't always work the way you might wish them to.