Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

[Pinkhammer]

"they kept the kids in the resoirt's babysitting creche most of the day (parents' statements again)"

Holy crap......When I see parents doing this when I travel with my wife and 2 kids I think the parents are super lazy and just plain detached from their kids. Let me guess.....they have a nanny back home too right? Usually these sorts of parents that stick the kids in the "kids club" at resorts are the nanny type of people. SELFISH

Look here, I've taken my kids - aged 10 & 3 - all over the place. Cancun, Mayan Riviera, Manzanillo, Acapulco, Turks & caicos, Bahamas, Grand Cayman, Virign Islands etc etc......and I LOVE sharing everything with them. My wife and I know that we are travelling as a FAMILY and that our life will revolve around our kids for the weeks we are there. We go to bed early with the kids and get up early....we don't get drunk by the pool or beach while some stranger looks after our children and they're stuck in some kids club babysitting bull#*!t Why bring the kids if you're going to act like they're a burden??? I want to enjoy my wife and kids while on holidays uninterupted by the hustle & bustle of life at home in the big city here in Toronto. I love seeing my kids reactions while playing in the waves and sand or in the pool or out on excursions to swim with the dolphins or go see ancient ruins. These sorts of parents are selfish and lazy. YES it's hard work looking after a 3 year old while vacation....but that's YOUR job...not some stranger.

Back to sleuthing and NOT ranting. They should look into the people running the babysitting service/kids club. Someone there may have spotted the easy prey in these lazy parents and knew they were an easy "mark".....too bad. Once again it's the parents fault here......ditching the kids to strangers ALL DAY and leaving them alone at night, when the hell did they see the kids???? for 1/2 hour in the mornings for breakfast????.....they don't sound fit to be parents!!! IMO :furious:

I agree 100% with everything you said!

 

[mjak]

OMG, I just looked at the maps of the resort and I am horrifed by the distance between the restraunt and the apartment where the children were left. I am very sorry for the parents and sympathetic for the agony they must be going thru; but, I have to say this is child neglect and endangerment. These babies were abandoned. They were put in harms way and now harm has happened. I want to be able to say the loss of their child is punishement enough but Maddie is in the situation she is in now because of horrific behavior on her patents part and there does need to be accountablity for that. I can not believe these parents were able to eat a meal knowing there babies were alone. I just can't believe it.

mjak

 

[Shazza]

OMG, I just looked at the maps of the resort and I am horrifed by the distance between the restraunt and the apartment where the children were left. I am very sorry for the parents and sympathetic for the agony they must be going thru; but, I have to say this is child neglect and endangerment. These babies were abandoned. They were put in harms way and now harm has happened. I want to be able to say the loss of their child is punishement enough but Maddie is in the situation she is in now because of horrific behavior on her patents part and there does need to be accountablity for that. I can not believe these parents were able to eat a meal knowing there babies were alone. I just can't believe it.

mjak

It is unfathomable, charge the parents with neglect now, if it was a parent who had left her child in a car, they would have been before a judge already.

 

[kazzbar]

OMG, I just looked at the maps of the resort and I am horrifed by the distance between the restraunt and the apartment where the children were left. I am very sorry for the parents and sympathetic for the agony they must be going thru; but, I have to say this is child neglect and endangerment. These babies were abandoned. They were put in harms way and now harm has happened. I want to be able to say the loss of their child is punishement enough but Maddie is in the situation she is in now because of horrific behavior on her patents part and there does need to be accountablity for that. I can not believe these parents were able to eat a meal knowing there babies were alone. I just can't believe it.

mjak

I always suspected that they were a long way from where the kids were asleep. While I also believe they were negligent I do not think They will be charged.In all probability they should be but it is not going to happen.
The cann's will have to live with the knowledge that they left their children alone for the rest of their lives. I would not be able to live with that if it were me...
This case is not going to end happily and I believe we will never know who took Maddie or what became of her. For this my heart breaks not for her parents but for a young child who was so vulnerable and therefore in the care of those who loved her. It breaks also because she was let down.

 

[kazzbar]

On Greta today I saw PR consultant Max Clifford saying he will represent Murat if he is cleared by Police... of course Murat was pleading his innocence to him.

 

[Tristan]

I have heard very little about this case on TV or in the newspapers.
Are they still actively searching for her? Does anyone have any recent updates?

TIA

 

[kazzbar]

I have heard very little about this case on TV or in the newspapers.
Are they still actively searching for her? Does anyone have any recent updates?

TIA

Family released last photo of Maddie and I heard that British police are over iin Portugal. Not much happening or coming out as far as the public is concerned.

 

[White Rain]

That picture makes me cry all over again.

Me too...she looked SO happy, the picture of PURE INNOCENCE. It's so unbelievably sad. There is no way I could continue on in this world if anything ever happened to my babies.

 

[Shazza]

Me too...she looked SO happy, the picture of PURE INNOCENCE. It's so unbelievably sad. There is no way I could continue on in this world if anything ever happened to my babies.

It would send me insane, Im sure.

 

[White Rain]

It would send me insane, Im sure.

me too...I remember as a young child I used to visit my great-grandma in the nursing home, and there was a woman there who was relatively young, (early 40's, maybe) who was there on account of a mental breakdown which she suffered after her only child, a girl, died in a car accident...her name was Sissy...and everytime we would visit my great-grandma Sissy would see us she would ALWAYS ask "honey, did you bring me a magazine?" She loved mags, especially the J.C Penny Mag.
I talked to a friend of mine about 6 years ago, who became a CNA, and she said Sissy was STILL there, and still asking about magazines!!!!!!! My grandma died when I was 9 or 10, I am now 28. Is it REALLY possible for a person to go thru a mental breakdown THAT long?

 

[kazzbar]

me too...I remember as a young child I used to visit my great-grandma in the nursing home, and there was a woman there who was relatively young, (early 40's, maybe) who was there on account of a mental breakdown which she suffered after her only child, a girl, died in a car accident...her name was Sissy...and everytime we would visit my great-grandma Sissy would see us she would ALWAYS ask "honey, did you bring me a magazine?" She loved mags, especially the J.C Penny Mag.
I talked to a friend of mine about 6 years ago, who became a CNA, and she said Sissy was STILL there, and still asking about magazines!!!!!!! My grandma died when I was 9 or 10, I am now 28. Is it REALLY possible for a person to go thru a mental breakdown THAT long?

Sad White Rain.. I do not know but trauma and grief probably pushed her over the edge and she could not cope. That is sooo long to be in a nursing home when soo young.Really sad.It would be hard to return to 'normal' everyday society after that long in care, would'nt it?

 

[philamena]

The map certainly opened my eyes to the distance between the restaurant and the apartment. I still find it hard to believe the children were left alone without an adult with them, but now, that is neither here nor there.
The parents must be suffering. I don't think I'd be able to go on day after day. Thinking about their little child being abused or mistreated in any way would imo be the worst punishment ever. To think that they may never see her again......I couldn't survive that.

 

[scandi]

On Greta today I saw PR consultant Max Clifford saying he will represent Murat if he is cleared by Police... of course Murat was pleading his innocence to him.

Hi Kazzbar, But did you hear the inflection in his voice? I heard his wheels turning as he said he wasn't representing him, had given him some free advice and that if he was completely cleared then he would take his case and rebuild his reputation and bring his life back to where is was before this happened.

I caught something else in that interview. When Greta asked a gentleman in the McCann family if they had heard, or if there was anything new, he said something like: " . . .none, at least no substantiation in {or 'of'} the things made publicly". I'll have to read a transcript on that. But it made me sit up straight and saym Oh yea, now what things have LE substantiated and not made public yet!

You know Murat is having panic attacks and was hospitalized for a short time today. There is a link I just don't know where it is.

And I do come bearing gifts tonight, if it hasn't already been given. This is just a keeper of a link.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/... later she was gone/article.do#readerComments

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/... later she was gone/article.do#readerComments




BTW, have we started a links thread yet? Time is ticking away and before we know it we will have lost a lot of valuable first reported info. In fact, not knowing European media and how long they keep link alive, I'm thinking of starting my own file and copy and pasting everything to it. I just need to learn how to go about doing that! LOLOLOLOL

Scandi

 

[philamena]

He was suffering panic attacks? Hmmmm maybe LE needs to question him again. Is he innocent and feeling panicky due to stress? Or is he hiding information and feeling the breathe of LE down his neck?

 

[kazzbar]

Hello Scandi, yes, Max was very cautious. Which is advisable in the circumstances... I was cooking at the time so did not catch all of the other interview... I wonder if Murat would sit a lie detector test? What is with the panic attacks? I wonder if they are recent? So many questions...

 

[scandi]

Family released last photo of Maddie and I heard that British police are over in Portugal. Not much happening or coming out as far as the public is concerned.

Yes, I read from a local there {well. he lives 30 miles out of Praia da Luz] that the 4 investigators were over from Scotland Yard.

An interesting read from this poster, as he is soooo local. He has a dear friend who was on the police force there, and has learned a lot of things which are not linkable, but interesting still!~ LOL Just to give a flavor and not to go to court with, from Portugese LEman's point of view:

* 4 investagators there today from Scotland Yard.
* The local LE don't do anything till they have cleared it with the UK investigative office. Back home in England I think.
* If they have zoned in on someone as they have Mr RMurat, it is likely they have evidence behind it.
* They never should have made the eye defect known - marks her forever.
* A well planned caper planned weeks in advance, only unknown was who the girl would be.
* 3 - 4 people involved, Malinka was to help establish alibi
* During first searches Murat kept repeating "it's too late, she's probably in an other country. Hmmmm
* Murat told people he was one of first people helping that night, later said he only learned of the case from morning phone call.
* Asks why Gerry McCann, when asked if he knew Murat, said nothing!
* Says two scenarios:
1} Near and alive, if they catch him with her he won't have much of a sentance, but they have to be careful not to spook him.
2} Taken to Spain before missed, could be anywhere, for an adoption, But a problem in that she is marked by eye forever and so much high media attention that no one wants her. That does not look good.

All of this on many different pages from poster Portuna

And then this from that same blog: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2370
Snippet
"Lastes news: Correio da manhã
Chief-inspector garanties that all information coming from abroad are being checked by interpol. There are no PJ agents outside Portugal, was one in England but have already came back. Not like the McCanns this slowing down of the media pressure is the descrition that we need.
Yesterday PJ didnt interrogate anybody but the chief-inspector garaties also that they are working hardly and with faith. Have passed already 3 weeks but is very optimistic about getting her safe. Nothing indicates that she is dead - made it very clear."

I think what he's saying is they want the media to slow down to help their investigation. I was thankful to read they still hope to get her safe and alive, as nothing has shown yet that she is dead. That is wonderful!



Scandi

 

[kazzbar]

I also agree that it was very foolish to release the informtion regarding the eye... It could be the one thing that seals her fate!:sick: I hope that all resort staff are being well and truly gone over as I feel that one of them may have been involved.
Maybe there were a few perps involved and they were just waiting for an oppertunity to take a child. Murat could well just be a red herring.Although I am a great believer in the old saying 'where there's smoke there is fire'.
Thanks for all your great links Scandii.

 

[scandi]

The first thing I learned in Forumdom is 'Link Please' LOL I didn't even know how to do that! Thise were the days.

Actually, I think it was Timex that taught me how.



Nite Kazzbar Scandi

 

[scandi]

OMG, I just looked at the maps of the resort and I am horrifed by the distance between the restraunt and the apartment where the children were left. I am very sorry for the parents and sympathetic for the agony they must be going thru; but, I have to say this is child neglect and endangerment. These babies were abandoned. They were put in harms way and now harm has happened. I want to be able to say the loss of their child is punishement enough but Maddie is in the situation she is in now because of horrific behavior on her patents part and there does need to be accountablity for that. I can not believe these parents were able to eat a meal knowing there babies were alone. I just can't believe it.

mjak

I was even more horrified to learn that the open window {by fluke I think} entered was on the other side of the apt from the Tapas. Well planned I think.

 

[Shazza]

I was even more horrified to learn that the open window {by fluke I think} entered was on the other side of the apt from the Tapas. Well planned I think.

Popped in to see if there is any news on Madelaine, this has more twists and turns than any TV drama, which I bet will be on the cards at a later stage.

Just saw a snippet on our local news stating the parents released a photo taken only hours before Madelaine went missing 3 weeks ago today, and that they have a british person helping them with their enquiries.