Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

[Shazza]

Maybe they're medicated. I'd have to be!

Me too, have just seen on our local news the McCanns visiting the pope, I nearly spewed up my dinner, will someone please wake me up from this nightmare.

 

[kazzbar]

Me too, have just seen on our local news the McCanns visiting the pope, I nearly spewed up my dinner, will someone please wake me up from this nightmare.

I have not seen that yet but will try to watch the news later....I wonder how many other parents of missing children get to see his Popelyness......

 

[Shazza]

I have not seen that yet but will try to watch the news later....I wonder how many other parents of missing children get to see his Popelyness......

These parents are trying to shift the spotlight of them being bad parents to being parents who will go to whatever lengths to get into the spotlight. None of this is helping find Madelaine and the money being spent on their cavorting all over the place is being funded by moneys raised to help costs of investigators etc to find Madelaine not for the cost of photo shoots and family vacations.

 

[mjak]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1847879.ece

This sounds as though their friend certainly saw the abduction. I wonder if they have considered hypnotizing her? If it is Murat, she could identify him.


Say what?? If this friend saw the abduction why did they not put out an all points bulletin and wanted sketch of this alledged kidnapper from the get go?? This changes everything if it is true. However, if it is true why the heck has it not been in the forefornt of the entire investigation. I am preplexed by this whole case and the parents make no sense to me.

mjak

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think that if the parents were involved in the actual abduction, the Portugese police would know that by now. I think they've been cleared, basically.

I also think that if my child were missing, I'd do everything possible to keep the news in the media, and take advantage of all offers of help, and ask for help from everyone I could think of.

I would not refrain from using every resource I had, just because all families of missing children have not had these resources in the past, and likely will not in the future.

The important thing here is finding the little girl, just in case she is still alive.

I think the kids were photographed by the media so much during the course of the McCanns' days that they figured staged photos wouldn't hurt and would gain them media attention. I am sure the children are well-protected.

I think the focus is on publicizing this situation just in case someone out there knows something and has not come forward -- or will know something in the future and come forward. Every time the McCanns get publicity, so does the plight of their daughter.

I think they are looking happy in that picture because they are playing with the twins and they don't want the twins to be effected by this because, among other reasons, they are too young to understand what is going on.

I can look in the mirror and make various expressions -- I can look downtrodden like Mary Winkler did at her trial, and in the next instant, I can look happy like the McCanns have in the photos with their twins. I'm nothing special - nearly everyone can do that. The question is whether they can sustain it under great stress to do so -- and I think the answer is yes, as long as they are in public and nothing has happened to catch them with their guard down.

The McCanns, from what I've read, asked for an audience with the Pope and it was granted. They are lucky he has agreed because it will give them more publicity and, hopefully, some spiritual guidance as well. The Pope could have said no. Since he said yes, I do not blame them for going to see him. I'd do the same myself, if I thought there was even a remote chance it would help me, or help get publicity for Madeleine's plight.

They are traveling to various countries in Europe to publicize Madeleine's disappearance in case she was taken to that country. It is really no different than someone from the U.S. going to another state just in case their missing child was taken there.

I am shocked when I hear that anyone has left their small children alone, but I think the time to revisit that is after Madeleine is (hopefully) found. Right now, I would think the McCanns were weak and spineless if they curled up in misery because they were so gulity about their own behavior having caused this.

They are doing no differently than many of us would, leaving no stone unturned in the hunt for their child. They are very fortunate that they have so much support, so that they can overturn stones that many folks in their position would never have the opportunity to.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

It is because to release the information would violate Portugal's secrecy laws about ongoing investigations. They certainly do things differently there.

The police did put out a sketch at the beginning. It was of the back of a man's head. It looked like an egg with hair.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1847879.ece

This sounds as though their friend certainly saw the abduction. I wonder if they have considered hypnotizing her? If it is Murat, she could identify him.


Say what?? If this friend saw the abduction why did they not put out an all points bulletin and wanted sketch of this alledged kidnapper from the get go?? This changes everything if it is true. However, if it is true why the heck has it not been in the forefornt of the entire investigation. I am preplexed by this whole case and the parents make no sense to me.

mjak

 

[jilly]

It is because to release the information would violate Portugal's secrecy laws about ongoing investigations. They certainly do things differently there.

The police did put out a sketch at the beginning. It was the back of a man's head. It looked like an egg with hair.

Are you kidding me????

 

[RoughlyCollie]

No. This investigation is handled, due to the constraints of Portugese laws, nothing like we would do in the U.S.

The police have said virtually nothing, due to those laws. That's why Madeleine's parents have been so vigorous at getting the case publicized. It is also why it is hard to trust what the media says -- a lot of it seems to be based on pure speculation.

People in Portugal cannot get around the secrecy laws without risking arrest for violating them. That is why the McCanns haven't taken matters into their own hands and publicized what they know, and why we aren't hearing from witnesses (people who have been questioned by the police) and the sole suspect (who was never actually named by the police -- the media did that).

Are you kidding me????

 

[mjak]

I have pretty much figured out that the portugese LE do things very differently then I am use to. It has been my hope that they do know what they are doing and behind the scenes this investigation has been very constructive. However, I do have concerns that this is not the case. I do not past judgment on the parents desire to met the Pope or travel to look for their child. The photographing of their twins and detailing their daily schedule is alarming to me. I can not equate those actions with parents who have a missing 4 year old. In my mind if g-d forbid I had a child missing my other children would be essentially under house arresst. My life would be about finding my missing child and protecting my other chidren. Somehow exposing my remainging childrens pictures and wearabouts to the world just does not sit right with me.

mjak

 

[jilly]

No. This investigation is handled, due to the constraints of Portugese laws, nothing like we would do in the U.S.

The police have said virtually nothing, due to those laws. That's why Madeleine's parents have been so vigorous at getting the case publicized. It is also why it is hard to trust what the media says -- a lot of it seems to be based on pure speculation.

People in Portugal cannot get around the secrecy laws without risking arrest for violating them. That is why the McCanns haven't taken matters into their own hands and publicized what they know, and why we aren't hearing from witnesses (people who have been questioned by the police) and the sole suspect (who was never actually named by the police -- the media did that).

Thank you RC. Unreal....I guess, if anything, this could be a wakeup call for anyone travelling to any foreign country.

 

[songline]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1847879.ece

This sounds as though their friend certainly saw the abduction. I wonder if they have considered hypnotizing her? If it is Murat, she could identify him.


Say what?? If this friend saw the abduction why did they not put out an all points bulletin and wanted sketch of this alledged kidnapper from the get go?? This changes everything if it is true. However, if it is true why the heck has it not been in the forefornt of the entire investigation. I am preplexed by this whole case and the parents make no sense to me.

mjak

What the friend had seen was a man carrying a child with a blanket; at the time they thought it was a parent carrying their child up top bed. Not until Madelyn went missing did they realize what they had seen.

 

[songline]

No. This investigation is handled, due to the constraints of Portugese laws, nothing like we would do in the U.S.

The police have said virtually nothing, due to those laws. That's why Madeleine's parents have been so vigorous at getting the case publicized. It is also why it is hard to trust what the media says -- a lot of it seems to be based on pure speculation.

People in Portugal cannot get around the secrecy laws without risking arrest for violating them. That is why the McCanns haven't taken matters into their own hands and publicized what they know, and why we aren't hearing from witnesses (people who have been questioned by the police) and the sole suspect (who was never actually named by the police -- the media did that).

I also heard on TV that the surveillance cameras were not checked till weeks later, that the boarders were not checked till weeks later, the local areas were not either. There were too many loose ends that should have been taken care of much faster which gave the perp enough time to escape. and they said they did not have the man power to do so. This is not due to constraints of Portugese laws.
I think their law is to keep things quite and close to the vest especially in all children’s cases.
But I also think they did not move fast enough.

 

[Pinkhammer]

What the friend had seen was a man carrying a child with a blanket; at the time they thought it was a parent carrying their child up to bed. Not until Madelyn went missing did they realize what they had seen.

At a child-friendly resort, in all likelihood it WAS just a father carrying his child up to bed.

The "friend" (was it one of the other six doctors who left their little ones alone all evening?) may be trying to justify his/her own negligence by rushing to the defense of the McCanns and misleading authorities.

I imagine the gang of eight child-neglectors were pretty looped by 9:30 p.m. anyway, and their eyewitness testimony is tainted.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

About the witness:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1848425.ece

About the traveling in Europe and seeing the Pope:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1848426.ece

What the friend had seen was a man carrying a child with a blanket; at the time they thought it was a parent carrying their child up top bed. Not until Madelyn went missing did they realize what they had seen.

 

[Morag]

The article said that the friend saw blonde hair and distinctive pink pajamas, which Madeleine's parents were able to identify from her description.

From the article:
"She had seen enough to make her believe it was Madeleine and she had described the pyjamas, which were distinguishable.”
"...was on her way to dinner with Gerry and Kate McCann when she saw the man close to the open window of the bedroom where four-year-old Madeleine had been sleeping. The girl he was carrying was wearing pink pyjamas, the same as Madeleine's. "
"...pink and white pyjamas with Eeyore on them."

It does sound quite likely that she saw a blonde, Eeyore pajama-wearing child being carried. I guess others might assume that people involved on the periphery of a case like this would rush to lie to investigators: I wouldn't.

 

[Salem]

Did you notice the timing is off? The friend was late for the dinner party, going down around 9:00-9:15ish. This is the time when she saw the man with the child and the time LE thinks Maddie was taken. What happened at the Dad's 9:30 check? He did not go into the room? just stood at the door to hear if there was crying? Then mom does the 10:00 check and does go into the room?

I think the "late for dinner" story is a twist to put a positive spin on things. Was the friend the person who did the 9:00 check on these children, listened at the door to hear for crying, hearing none, moves on to the next door and observes a child being carried away at the same time? If they were going to leave these babies alone, they should have had a plan for when it was necessary to open the door and actually look at them. Just because they are not crying, does not mean they did not get into the bathroom and swallow a bottle of mom or dad's pills, or the sweet smelling shampoo or who knows what!

 

[Morag]

"Mrs McCann discovered her daughter was missing when she entered her ground-floor bedroom at 10pm. It is believed that Madeleine was taken between 9.10pm and 9.15pm.

The rear patio doors to the apartment had been left unlocked to allow easy access for regular checks by the parents in the group. The other parents made entered the apartment after 9.10pm to check that the children were asleep but had not actually gone in to the bedroom to avoid waking them.

Was this one apartment shared by several families, and the parents took turns checking on all of the children? And is the "other parents made" actually meant to say the other parents' MAID? If there was a maid who had been assigned to check on several sets of children, going from apartment to apartment--or room to room---then this changes things considerably. I can see a nanny or maid overseeing these children, backed up by visits from the parents throughout the evening: that would be a reasonable arrangement. And if there were a maid (not made!), then I would want to know if she was brought along from the UK, or was she hired in Portugal. And was the unlocked door for the convenience of the maid?

Here's the link again:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1847879.ece?token=null&offset=0

Incidentally, this is from the Times of London, not from a tabloid or other less mainstream source (poor proofreading notwithstanding).

 

[Morag]

Did you notice the timing is off? The friend was late for the dinner party, going down around 9:00-9:15ish. This is the time when she saw the man with the child and the time LE thinks Maddie was taken. What happened at the Dad's 9:30 check? He did not go into the room? just stood at the door to hear if there was crying? Then mom does the 10:00 check and does go into the room?

I think the "late for dinner" story is a twist to put a positive spin on things. Was the friend the person who did the 9:00 check on these children, listened at the door to hear for crying, hearing none, moves on to the next door and observes a child being carried away at the same time? If they were going to leave these babies alone, they should have had a plan for when it was necessary to open the door and actually look at them. Just because they are not crying, does not mean they did not get into the bathroom and swallow a bottle of mom or dad's pills, or the sweet smelling shampoo or who knows what!

The Times story says the abduction occurred (maybe) between 9:10 and 9:15. I can't tell if that time is being established by the sighting of the carrying man, or if someone had actually seen the kids immediately prior to 9:10. At any rate, this seems to change the story somewhat.

And if there was a system to check on the kids, why wasn't this woman alarmed by what she had seen (a briskly walking man with a blanket-wrapped child)?
The window was open, the parents were checking frequently, and there was no thought that omigod, is that one of the (7,8,9?) kids we are traveling with?

 

[mjak]

I imagine the gang of eight child-neglectors .

I know there is absolulty nothing funny about this situation but I have to tell you I nearly chocked laughing when I read your discription of this group of people. I agree 100% with this discription.
The new eyewitness account of an alledged abduction ironicly conviently fits with the fathers account of checking on the children by standing outside the apartment and making sure he did not hear them. Can someone please tell me what intelligent adult would use this method to check on children alone in an apartment? Do I think the parents are involved? I don't know. Do I believe they are clearly not involved , no way!

mjak

 

[RoughlyCollie]

The resort had a child-minding service for people who went to 1 of 2 restaurants in the area. The parents drop off their kids and pick them up on the way back to where they are staying. The person who saw the man walking with the child probably thought that was going on, or if not that, then that the child belonged to the man. At any rate, her suspicions weren't aroused until Kate said Madeleine was missing.

The Times story says the abduction occurred (maybe) between 9:10 and 9:15. I can't tell if that time is being established by the sighting of the carrying man, or if someone had actually seen the kids immediately prior to 9:10. At any rate, this seems to change the story somewhat.

And if there was a system to check on the kids, why wasn't this woman alarmed by what she had seen (a briskly walking man with a blanket-wrapped child)?
The window was open, the parents were checking frequently, and there was no thought that omigod, is that one of the (7,8,9?) kids we are traveling with?