Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 5

[CaliKid]

Hi you Guys,

That was so interesting Calikid, I'm going to cheat again and copy/paste from D S today:-

It's certainly interesting... and quite frankly the fact that he misspellt 'police' is of equal interest. In Freudian theory there is something called a parapraxis, or Freudian slip, which is effectively a signal from the unconscious. Parapraxes include such things as slips of the tongue and spelling mistakes. To mispell anything, under this theory, could potentially suggest an unconscious ambivalence or anxiety about that thing, but to misspell someones name could arguably be construed as particularly significant? As to what it may symbolise, well, this is anyone's guess. Guilt, grief, confusion, any number of anxieties may lie behind it...

These are all the mistakes on his latest blogs:-

requsets firends photgrapher folowed aslo

Wonder what his subconcious might be saying there?

You guys are so spot on with all your intuitive postings, it amazing. You're all :angel: 's in my eyes.

I had a long chat with colomom tonight - 2 hours +!! lol its a Gemini thing> we like to talk...I explained I wont be posting for a day or so as I'm absolutely worn down, I need for my body to rest a while... I too have felt strongly Madeleines little soul crying out for a while now.

I haven't heard of EquuSearch? I wonder if they'd join in an undercover operation?.........lol I'd jump on that plane and go out and help them...Its hard to bare the thought of her body laying out somewhere in the cold and subject to the elements and wildlife....if it is ever proven that those parents played a part in this, all I can really say is I pray that God is as forgiving as we believe him to be, because I think man is going to have a hard job to forgive that wicked deed.

You know how much I love you guys, colomom will keep me informed via email :blowkiss:

:blowkiss: Rest up, MG, and I hope you feel better soon.

 

[Shazza]

Dear colomom I think you theory could possibly be right. But Im kinda sitting on the fence, what about the sighting at the petrol station.
It would also mean that they had preplanned this before they went to dinner, I to would want to know how they were acting at their dinner party, did any of the other diners with them notice anything unusual about their behaviour.

I am leaning towards your theory but we need evidence, I am also thinking that money might have changed hands between the McCanns and the LE, why is everything hush hush.

Im just not quite sure.

 

[CaliKid]

colomom, excellent find on the CHARGE syndrome. So it's possible Madeleine might have looked okay but had something wrong with her? As in, not a "perfect" child?

I would love to know how their dinner mates felt about their behavior that night.

Yes, this is the biggest reason I think we haven't heard from the families who went on vacation with them. Either the McCanns deserve Oscars for their performance or maybe their friends already suspect the McCanns or maybe they've been asked by the family to stay out of the investigation "for Madeleine's sake". But they could probably provide a lot of insight.

Some of her body language shows some anger towards GM. Watch her in this video (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...264418,00.html) when she reads the script asking for the return of their daughter and GM nuzzles her at the end. Watch her eyes and the movement of her head and see if you don't pick up on a flash of anger towards GM. I see it right at the end when he starts rubbing on her. I thought the nuzzle looked like GM's way of saying "thanks for going along with protecting my sorry a$$".

That nuzzle and the devastation on her face, which is also caught in the picture on the left where KM won't even look at him, pretty much says it all. He acts as if he's silently pleading with her for forgiveness and she wants none of it.

Was it proven to be a hoax that someone saw GM dumping a big black bag in a trash bin behind a restaurant?

 

[colomom]

Dear colomom I think you theory could possibly be right. But Im kinda sitting on the fence, what about the sighting at the petrol station.
It would also mean that they had preplanned this before they went to dinner, I to would want to know how they were acting at their dinner party, did any of the other diners with them notice anything unusual about their behaviour.

I am leaning towards your theory but we need evidence, I am also thinking that money might have changed hands between the McCanns and the LE, why is everything hush hush.

Im just not quite sure.

I think there was CCTV video at the Petrol Station and it was being looked at but I never heard further. I think if it had been a good lead they could have followed up on the vehicle (they knew the make and model and probably had a plate #) but we never heard anything else. I think they may have examined the video and could not be sure if it was really Maddie. Think about it, if they had just kidnapped her why would they take her out of the car to walk around in a gas station? That is what has bugged me about all of the "sightings", why take her out in public? She was so little she could have been hidden in a large suitcase.

 

[colomom]

colomom, excellent find on the CHARGE syndrome. So it's possible Madeleine might have looked okay but had something wrong with her? As in, not a "perfect" child?

Yep, there are a couple of symptoms that she exhibited. The coloboma in her eye, her very small size (she is not much bigger than the twins in that B&W family photo) and it was reported that KM had a hard time "handling" the kids. She may have been a handful. The heart defect would have been hidden but I think the precentage of CHARGE suffers that have it is very high.

Yes, this is the biggest reason I think we haven't heard from the families who went on vacation with them. Either the McCanns deserve Oscars for their performance or maybe their friends already suspect the McCanns or maybe they've been asked by the family to stay out of the investigation "for Madeleine's sake". But they could probably provide a lot of insight.

Absolutely!!

That nuzzle and the devastation on her face, which is also caught in the picture on the left where KM won't even look at him, pretty much says it all. He acts as if he's silently pleading with her for forgiveness and she wants none of it.

Was it proven to be a hoax that someone saw GM dumping a big black bag in a trash bin behind a restaurant?

I am glad to know that others see that wierdness in that video. I worried that it was just my imagination. I haven't heard one way or the other about the black bag incident. I would be curious to know if that "dumpster" was located near the supermarket where the dogs lost the scent.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Yep, there are a couple of symptoms that she exhibited. The coloboma in her eye, her very small size (she is not much bigger than the twins in that B&W family photo) and it was reported that KM had a hard time "handling" the kids. She may have been a handful. The heart defect would have been hidden but I think the precentage of CHARGE suffers that have it is very high.

Absolutely!!

That's an interesting thought. Though, even the most perfect of almost 4 year old, would have found the situation Maddie was constantly left in stressful. Children have a right to security and supervision. Madeline didn't have either. She's in this strange place and her parents are leaving her alone night after night with two babies. It's unbelievable.

 

[colomom]

Dear colomom I think you theory could possibly be right. But Im kinda sitting on the fence, what about the sighting at the petrol station.
It would also mean that they had preplanned this before they went to dinner, I to would want to know how they were acting at their dinner party, did any of the other diners with them notice anything unusual about their behaviour.

I am leaning towards your theory but we need evidence, I am also thinking that money might have changed hands between the McCanns and the LE, why is everything hush hush.

Im just not quite sure.

I think the PJ also have no evidence and therefore cannot move forward although I think they are still looking. Remember how they swooped on the apartment as soon as GM flew back to the UK for his business meetings? I think they suspect the McCanns. I suppose that corruption is possible but my gut tells me no. They are waiting for them to slip up.

And speaking of slip ups, I think the latest "announcement" by GM that they will be removing themselves from the media spotlight (for the sake of the twins) is because he knows that it is just a matter of time before KM or himself have a slip of the tongue and say Maddie was instead of Maddie is. That would sink their boat! It doesn't make sense that on the one hand he speaks about keeping Maddie in the spotlight and on the other needing more privacy and less contact with the media. :waitasec:

 

[Shazza]

I think there was CCTV video at the Petrol Station and it was being looked at but I never heard further. I think if it had been a good lead they could have followed up on the vehicle (they knew the make and model and probably had a plate #) but we never heard anything else. I think they may have examined the video and could not be sure if it was really Maddie. Think about it, if they had just kidnapped her why would they take her out of the car to walk around in a gas station? That is what has bugged me about all of the "sightings", why take her out in public? She was so little she could have been hidden in a large suitcase.

You are a great sleuther colomom, your right it would be pretty stupid of the kidnappers if she was seen in public.
Maybe these sightings are set up to take the heat of the McCanns, it would fit in with your theory.

 

[colomom]

That's an interesting thought. Though, even the most perfect of almost 4 year old, would have found the situation Maddie was constantly left in stressful. Children have a right to security and supervision. Madeline didn't have either. She's in this strange place and her parents are leaving her alone night after night with two babies. It's unbelievable.

I believe you could call it abusive. I cannot fathom how they could continue to leave her when they knew she had been scared on previous nights. One of my greatest fears as a mom is one of my kids feeling scared. When I thought of Maddie alone and scared I immediately felt the tears come. Talk about disconnected!!

 

[colomom]

You are a great sleuther colomom, your right it would be pretty stupid of the kidnappers if she was seen in public.
Maybe these sightings are set up to take the heat of the McCanns, it would fit in with your theory.

Ahhhh thanks. :blushing: I have to say though that out of all the threads on this board I have never seen one that has regulars that work together as well as we do!! You ALL rock!

I think it is a real possibility that GM might call in anonymously with sightings to throw people off.

 

[colomom]

Hmmm, that's an interesting theory. And I agree, Shazza. Team McCann would shut down any search before it even started.

Last night I was thinking about Kate McCann in the early days of Madeleine's disappearance. You could tell she was going through a lot of torment- losing weight, rumpled clothes, a tear-streaked face with hollow eyes and literally hanging on to her husband to keep from falling down.

We have all heard about the five stages of grief- denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. But I think that grieving the disappearance of your daughter must be much different than experiencing grief at her death. When a child disappears you would be in shock, terrified that she’s being abused or is frightened or injured, angry at the perpetrator and fearful of the future. With a child who disappears there is still hope she will be found.

I think as time goes by with no solution, in order to begin the grieving process you have to at least let go and begin to face the fact that your child isn’t coming home. Talk to any parent who has lost a child through abduction, even those whose son or daughter has been missing for years like the Jolkowskis for instance, and it takes them forever to admit he/she is dead. Some never admit it. Like I pointed out yesterday with Natalee Holloway’s mom, she has been searching for her daughter for over two years. Despite overwhelming evidence she continues to search for her and refuses to give up that last little shred of hope of finding her alive.

Breaking through the disbelief that your child has died is when you would begin to experience the grief in all its stages.

What bothers me about the McCanns is that they seem to have reached this kind of acceptance way too early in the investigation. Madeleine has been gone what- almost 8 weeks? Early reports from the Portuguese police stated they felt she was still alive and in the area, and tourists in Malta have turned in almost 20 possible sightings. The McCanns say they think she’s coming home, but their actions don’t match their words. It’s more than just KM coming out of her daze and making the best of a bad situation. It’s like she’s put memories of her sweet Madeleine behind her and is forging on as if she never existed. And don’t even get me started on GM!

This whole money machine has become the focus. Not their daughter. Not Madeleine.

Another spot on post CaliKid. I can tell you are a very good judge of character. I did the same thing and looked up the stages of grief. I thought they did not fit the "profile" right from the start.

I believe that KM was devastated in the beginning and was experiencing great emotional distress. After all she lost her daughter at the hands of her husband. After awhile she saw how all eyes were looking for a kidnapper and she relaxed. GM must have done alot of damage control back then. He is a very scary individual. Have you ever seen him shed a tear? I don't buy the medical professional = emotional control c r a p, not when you are talking about your baby girl. My husband would be inconsolable! And he is one of the most emotionally distant people I know we balance each other in that regard.

 

[CaliKid]

Thanks colomom, you rock too.

I really hope the sightings on Malta pay off, but we all know that as far as children go, Madeleine is a typical small blond girl. It would be so easy for someone to see a child who kind of resembles her and believe it is Maddie. And that pays off in GM's favor- as long as people see little girls they think are Madeleine, it takes the heat off him.

I hope the P-LE are doing a lot of behind-the-scenes searching that the McCanns don't know about. I wish there was a way to give them a tip to search the landfill. That's where I think she is.

 

[Thrs0806]

I think it is a very good theory, Colomom! It makes some of their behaviors make more sense, such as KM leaving the twins to go get "help", insisting that "they" had taken her (instead of Madeleine's missing), not releasing timeline details, not begging for searches to be done just to name a few.

After watching Jesse Davis's family over the last week, it just makes the McCann's look all the more guilty. Jesse's poor family would of moved Heaven and earth to find her. No matter the outcome, they wanted their loved one found. After 1 week, there was an all out ground search that truly was going to leave no stone unturned until she was found. The McCann's sure like to preach the line but it's been over 50 days and I don't think they have turned over 1 stone!!!!!

By the way that is the 1st time I have seen that clip. Very strange that Kate did all the talking and in all other interviews I have seen GM always seems to interupt her and not let her talk.

I find the whole "don't scare my daugther" line very odd. How could Madeleine not be scared??? Whatever has happened to her, I'm POSITIVE that she is/was scared!!! It would have made more sense for KM to talk as if Madeleine could hear her and told her not to be scared. I think that is what a nuturing/loving Mom would do.

One more thing (sorry for the long post, your theory just got me going) - I agree that the McCann behavior during dinner would be very telling. The whole media blackout of these other dinner guests is really suspect. But I don't think they will continue to cover for the McCann's for long if they suspect them. This case has gotten too big and I think (hope) the pressure will get to a point where someone will have to talk.

 

[Shazza]

Ahhhh thanks. :blushing: I have to say though that out of all the threads on this board I have never seen one that has regulars that work together as well as we do!! You ALL rock!

I think it is a real possibility that GM might call in anonymously with sightings to throw people off.

I also checked out your links about CHARGE and the plea from Kate, Im wondering how sick Madelaine really is, she must have been on medication which makes it more evident not to leave the children alone and that plea from Kate and the body language from them both was so not real.
The more I think about it and the more information you guys find out is leading me to believe the parents are responsible for Madelaines disappearance, not that they just left them alone but that they have more to do with it than just not being there for them. The parents are definitely involved more than we are led to believe.

 

[CaliKid]

I think it is a very good theory, Colomom! It makes some of their behaviors make more sense, such as KM leaving the twins to go get "help", insisting that "they" had taken her (instead of Madeleine's missing), not releasing timeline details, not begging for searches to be done just to name a few.

After watching Jesse Davis's family over the last week, it just makes the McCann's look all the more guilty. Jesse's poor family would of moved Heaven and earth to find her. No matter the outcome, they wanted their loved one found. After 1 week, there was an all out ground search that truly was going to leave no stone unturned until she was found. The McCann's sure like to preach the line but it's been over 50 days and I don't think they have turned over 1 stone!!!!!

By the way that is the 1st time I have seen that clip. Very strange that Kate did all the talking and in all other interviews I have seen GM always seems to interupt her and not let her talk.

I find the whole "don't scare my daugther" line very odd. How could Madeleine not be scared??? Whatever has happened to her, I'm POSITIVE that she is/was scared!!! It would have made more sense for KM to talk as if Madeleine could hear her and told her not to be scared. I think that is what a nuturing/loving Mom would do.

One more thing (sorry for the long post, your theory just got me going) - I agree that the McCann behavior during dinner would be very telling. The whole media blackout of these other dinner guests is really suspect. But I don't think they will continue to cover for the McCann's for long if they suspect them. This case has gotten too big and I think (hope) the pressure will get to a point where someone will have to talk.

Jessie Davis' family, Elizabeth Smart's family and many more could give pointers to the McCanns on the way families act when a loved one goes missing. Even with Jessie, where her mother knew from the very first that something terrible had happened to her daughter, there was no way they were going to quit until they brought Jessie and Chloe home.

Many people have commented on the fact that KM was the one giving interviews early in the investigation and now GM is taking over. I think he's afraid of his wife slipping up and blurting out something they'll both regret.

I just hope Madeleine's disappearance doesn't turn into another JonBenet Ramsey thing where the case is never solved.

 

[BethInAK]

I feel really bad if the McCann's are ultimately found to be somehow associated with this tragedy. It is going to hurt an awful lot of good people who have prayed, read their Tarot cards, and searched suspects websites. Of course, the one thing that True Crime teaches me, is the resiliant nature of humankind. We all basically choose to pitch our tents in one of two camps....."the good guys"....or "the bad guys"..... I know where you would pitch your tents.:clap:

Hi Reannan!!

You know, whether or not the McCanns hurt or injured or sold their child, I'm still of the opinion that they were absolutely associated and responsible for this tragedy by their parental neglect.

Even if a stranger walked into that room and took the little girl, the parents are still responsible for her disappearance because they left her alone.

 

[Thrs0806]

I just hope Madeleine's disappearance doesn't turn into another JonBenet Ramsey thing where the case is never solved.

Or Trenton Duckett. I still pray everyday that we'll find out what happened to him, too.

A prayer for all the lost, precious, little ones...........:innocent:

 

[BethInAK]

LOL...I didn't think so, either, I've seen too many international espionage and mobster films with hubby.. I had to throw it out there.

What is this about the family coming out for a "holiday"?? WTF?? On whose dime? A HOLIDAY???? :doh: :banghead:

i think he meant the family that owned the apartment.

 

[Shazza]

Jessie Davis' family, Elizabeth Smart's family and many more could give pointers to the McCanns on the way families act when a loved one goes missing. Even with Jessie, where her mother knew from the very first that something terrible had happened to her daughter, there was no way they were going to quit until they brought Jessie and Chloe home.

Many people have commented on the fact that KM was the one giving interviews early in the investigation and now GM is taking over. I think he's afraid of his wife slipping up and blurting out something they'll both regret.

I just hope Madeleine's disappearance doesn't turn into another JonBenet Ramsey thing where the case is never solved.

As cruel as it seem JonBenet's body was found so family had some closure, Madelaine is out there somewhere, if dead not in coffin, but somewhere cold and dirty. I couldnt bear that. Yet the parents just carry on with all their jetsetting and media press appointments.

 

[CaliKid]

As a mother, it would haunt me to know she was exposed to wind, rain and cold, etc. Maybe that's why KM doesn't talk anymore. But her body language speaks so much about anger.