Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 6

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  • #381
This secret pact is kiddy stuff, when will any of these parents learn that there is a little girl missing, instead of focusing on how this affects them and how they are viewed by others.
Some of these parents must know more than what has been told, but wont say so they dont get into trouble, dont they care about Madelaine, it really sickens me as to how selfish these people are.

Yes, kiddy stuff indeed. Well said.
What is up with the NHS doctors in the UK---scary stuff!!! :eek: :eek:
 
  • #382
Latest Update - Gerry's Blog/Diary

Day 64 - 06/07/2007

The major development today was the arrest of a 39 year old Dutch citizen in Eindhoven for attempted fraud. The man had sent six e-mails saying he knew who had Madleine and where she was. He was demanding €2million for this information. After being arrested he has admitted he did not have any information and was motivated by boredom and trying to extort the money.

This arrest, after cooperation between the Portuguese, British and Dutch police forces, sends a clear message that this sort of crime is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. It also encourages Kate and I that all information about Madeleine coming through to the police in any European country will be taken seriously and rigorously evaluated

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Bolding is mine.

Gerry---please stop blogging!!!!:banghead: :banghead:
This does want to make you go and bang your head against a brick wall. Mispelling your daughters name, what a dummy.
 
  • #383
I often make typos with my daughter's name--but I see it immediately and fix it. It's second nature to me.

I think Gerry isn't used to saying, writing, or using his daughter's name often at all, is he?

And yeah, the remark about "other kidnap victims in Nigeria" is gratuitous.

That little girl is also away from her family, held by strangers who violently grabbed her. I'm sure she doesn't know about "most other kidnap victims."
 
  • #384
I often make typos with my daughter's name--but I see it immediately and fix it. It's second nature to me.

I think Gerry isn't used to saying, writing, or using his daughter's name often at all, is he?

And yeah, the remark about "other kidnap victims in Nigeria" is gratuitous.

That little girl is also away from her family, held by strangers who violently grabbed her. I'm sure she doesn't know about "most other kidnap victims."

The more he blogs.....the more there is to see of what is so strange about this whole campaign. I hate that word *campaign* in a situation like this!
I guess it is better than *scheme* :doh:

Hoping for some good news about little Margaret and little Madeleine.
 
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--Article from BBC on ransom request for little Margaret Hill-age 3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6280556.stm

SNIPPET===========


After previously asking to swap Margaret for her father, Mike, Mrs Hill said on Saturday that the gunmen had demanded money. "They have asked for money. Who will help me to pay them?," she told the AFP news agency......MORE AT LINK

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I would love to see Campaign McCaan step up to the plate on this one. They have vowed top help other Brit children and have capatilized on this kidnapping by adding their plea to it.

Let us see that money put to good use.

NB: Mr Hill, Margaret,s father is ill and needs hospitalization.

IMO
 
  • #387
Hi Everyone:blowkiss:

Hi Shazza, tbh I haven't posted because I am so wound up. I honestly cant believe that these people are being allowed to carry on with this charade.....or that our Foreign Office is either blindly being manipulated by them or actively supporting them?:furious:

Here is something I posted on Mikes Blog today - this has angered me to such a degree that I am seriously worried about my mental health.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12661490&postID=7503033682026165207&isPopup=true

Diane C on Mikes blog.....



Hang in there MG.
Great post--is this family connected that you know of???

Take time to detach, I know I get so worked up- I need to take mental health days myself!!:crazy: :crazy:
 
  • #388
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1274141,00.html

Snipped from the article: Any surplus funds will be used to help the cases of other missing children.

Since they don't seem to be using any of this money for finding Madeleine, why don't they give it anonymously to the Hill family for Margaret's ransom?
 
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I thought you weren't supposed to pay Ransom because it just encourages the kidnappers. Maybe the police asked for the Ransom to not be paid. Just a thought I haven't really been following that case. I have noticed a lot of fund raising events for Maddie's fund but I have not seen one search funded by the fund to locate her. Have they made any PSA's or put up a billboard? Have they done anything with this fund to actually find Maddie? Why haven't they hired search dogs to go over that field again? There must be something they could be doing besides fund raising. I really feel bad for the twins. It's hard for children to be away from home for such a long time. The McCans can do everything they are doing now from home. The way I see it-If they wanted to move they could have found a less dramatic way to go about it.
 
  • #392
I thought you weren't supposed to pay Ransom because it just encourages the kidnappers. Maybe the police asked for the Ransom to not be paid. Just a thought I haven't really been following that case. I have noticed a lot of fund raising events for Maddie's fund but I have not seen one search funded by the fund to locate her. Have they made any PSA's or put up a billboard? Have they done anything with this fund to actually find Maddie? Why haven't they hired search dogs to go over that field again? There must be something they could be doing besides fund raising. I really feel bad for the twins. It's hard for children to be away from home for such a long time. The McCans can do everything they are doing now from home. The way I see it-If they wanted to move they could have found a less dramatic way to go about it.

Not to get too far into a political discussion---but, unfortunately, there are some hotspots in the world that kidnapping is a frequent and very real danger. It is used as a means of income for small militia groups. This area of Nigeria is one where there have been kidnappings of employees of the oil fields there. The large companies- such as Shell, Esso, etc. pay the ransom.

This is the first time a Brit child has been kidnapped, I believe. Mr McCaan refers to the kidnapping in his blog as well as media quotes.

There is more information on links posted on the BBC article regarding kidnapping and ransom as a revenue generator.

But you are correct in a Western style kidnapping--I too think the police most often say not to pay the ransom. LØL:( just what I read and see on TV and cinema.
 
  • #393
Hi all. What I am about to post is in part fact, in part fiction. I am in no way accusing Kate and Gerry McCann of doing anything untoward at any time in their lives. What I pose is a hypothetical situation resultant from an ongoing discussion my fiance and I have been engaged in. I have taken that hypothetical situation and embellished it, creating something of a story.

Bear with me if you will...


There are far too many defenders of Camp McCann, methinks, who are far too easily riled by anyone simply expressing the FACT that the McCanns left their wee children unattended which, ulitmately, led to the disappearance of their eldest daughter. Why are these supporters so defensive of this statement of fact? The only logical answer I have is that they, too, have left their wee ones alone to nip down to the pub or the corner store or the neighbors or wherever. It is the there-but-for-the-grace-of-god syndrome. And I think it terrifies them, instills some deep seated, probably indefinable guilt and relief that their kiddos never fell in harms way as a result of their actions.

I have posted opinions which mirror many who have been critical and I have done so on many sites. I have been villified for expressing my opinion, called heartless and cruel and had sympathy expressed to my daughter for having such a cold hearted mother. It is mind boggling.

As to Team McCann; Well, I have thought something was awry from the very begining. As each new day passes and the inconsistencies grow I become more convinced that there needs to be greater examination of those closest to Madeleine. Gerry's blog has, for me, become an object of fascination in its contradictions and purely business like tone. The wallet fiasco, as an example, was claimed to have been picked from his pocket on his way to an ATM so he could make a withdrawal as he had no Sterling. Then, upon the return of his wallet he states that the Sterling was gone but his cards and 30 Euro were still there. I won't even touch on him not mentioning the photographs.

I seem to address the McCann saga in spurts. Oveindulge in it for a few days until I am so nauseated that I can't stand it and then break from it for a week or so. These past few days I have been scouring more deeply than in past. Today I came across a hypothesis posted by an individual in a forum and it was as if a light was switched on for me.

You see, my theory is that something went horribly awry. 'But what?' My fiance asks. And I have no specific answer, only that there are many instances of young children being deliberately or inadvertantly harmed by those closest to them. 'But why only one child if there are more?' He poses. Hmmm. That is a puzzler. Though there was that case in Toronto recently where that tiny little boy was abused and caged and forced to live among his own bodily discharges, drink from the toilet and eat from dog dishes (when they chose to feed him) and starved to death while in the care of his grandparents. His siblings were in their care as well but for some reason they chose only to abuse him to the degree they did (a sister was also abused but not to the same degree). Who knows what goes on in the heart of men and women? One may often ask 'Why?' and only hear the hollow echo of the word ringing back at them.

And then the hypothesis.

Imagine:

You are a doctor. You and your wife, who is also a doctor, take a vacation abroad with your three young children. You have your friends and their children joining you, all of them doctors as well. Though the children are well looked after by on site care services during the day you decide it is too much trouble to use in the evenings. How enjoyable could the close of your night out with friends be if you had to round up three small kiddos, stumble them home (if you've perhaps had a few too many sangria) and then try to settle them down to sleep so that you could then lay your weary head down for the night?

Being in the medical profession you have intimate knowledge of the function and administration of sedatives. Oh, yes, many a parent has (however wrongly) brought cough syrup or some other tranquilizing over the counter medication with them on trips to help quiet the littles for long sojourns on airplanes. What harm, they think. But, hey! Why the unreliable over the counter stuff when you have easy access to the real deal? The good stuff, you know, the kind that is sure to work so that you can know with absolute certainty there is no way your children will wake up and wander or be afraid because mom and dad are not around.

One night, in the hubbub of getting the kiddos ready for bed and yourselves ready to go out and enjoy adult time with your friends, you administer the 'medicine' to your three children. You disappear into the loo for a shave as your wife dresses. When you have finished hitting yourself with the pretty stick you come out to find your wife administering the 'medicine' to the oldest child, the youngest already nodding off. "Wait!" You call out. "I've already given the children their meds for the night." But it is too late, the sweetened elixer has already been swallowed. "Oh, no." Says dear wife. "What on earth shall we do?" You think for a few moments, perhaps even attempt to have the child throw up the second dose and when that fails, as she is slipping away to sleep, friends are calling at the door for you and so you make a tough decision. "Look, we're not giving them maximum dosage anyway. She'll be fine, she might just sleep a little later into the morning. Let's get on to dinner now, I'd reallly love a drink."

And away you go. Confident the children will not rouse. And the eldest never does. During one of your sporadic checks on the children you discover her not breathing and non responsive to all efforts to revive her. The younger children are still deeply asleep in sedated dreams. Panic is welling up within you. Thoughts of being charged with accidentally killing your own child. Knowing it is likely then that your remaining children will be stripped from your care. The imminent loss of your privileges to practise medicine, your very lifeblood, are hovering in your peripheral vision. This cannot be happening. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. It will destroy both breadwinners careers and the family. Better to salvage what is left of the family, as heartbreaking as it might be to have to do so. You are thinking only of the remaining children, of course, and their well being.

So you do what any responsible father would do - would HAVE to do - you dispose of the lifeless body of your first born child. Somewhere clever, where she will never be found. But where? A garbage bin? The bottom of the sea? Most likely a garbage bin, you think. You've seen how garbage pick up works. Great big bins picked up by compacting trucks. No human hands handling them or poking around inside of them. Yes. That would be best.

But then... how to explain the missing child? An abduction is the only logical thing to claim. And so you do.

It begins badly. The child is missing but your wife botches her opening lines. Something that will be called into question by probing minds across the globe from the first of its reports. You mistakenly stay put instead of scouring the entire resort and neighborhoods calling her name in a proper panic. Scene one, Act one of this affair has not gone off as it should have and there are too many questions regarding your behaviour both before and after the child went missing. You know you want to appear to be cooperating with police, being the heartbroken parents and all, but they are asking some really hard questions and they are relentless. You recall how horrible it was for that family in the United States, the ones with the beauty queen daughter and how suspicion was cast upon them and how they were villified by the press. So you hire lawyers. You do the things that any parent of any missing child anywhere might do in making public appeals for her safe return. As the days tick on you find you don't much care for the criticism of you and your wife abounding across the www. You have to, must, do something to ingratiate your image as that of caring, loving, heartbroken and responsible parents. And so it begins to roll. They media are nothing but tea and sympathy, that's easy enough. No hard hitting questions there.

Fast forward a month and now you find yourself with a team of handlers. And a fund established.

And suddenly you are famous. You are meeting celebrities, having an audience with the Pope, travelling the globe and seen as important, much more important on a global scale than you ever were previously as a simple surgeon. It's hard not to get caught up in it. As the fund grows beyond your dreams, and you find yourself living on a permanent holiday set, all paid for by the graciousness of others, you can't help but imagine this as a permanent arrangement. You will resolutely stay put until you can bring your precious child home, but only you and your wife know that she will never come home, thereby enabling you to continue to exist on this new plane.

Your wife is feeling the stress though. She is having to play the grieving mother and yet, in reality, is the grieving mother. She has been holding her own, so far, in keeping with the script. But you worry about her. Worry she may break. "Only for a bit longer, darling." You tell her. "We can only be expected to grieve for so long. We can behave with some degree of normalcy as time marches on. Do it for the children. You must."

And time marches on. And the child remains missing. It appears that recovering her may takes years, if it ever happens at all.


End.

This hypothetical situation was noted, as I said, on another forum however it was done so in three short points. I have taken it in hand with my overactive imagination and embellished and made it into a story. A sad story.

Though it be my wish that no child ever face harm of any kind at the hands of strangers or the people they are born to, I am afraid that it happens in abundance. Daily. Hourly. Every minute.

My heart weeps for them as much and as hard as it does for young Madeleine McCann.
 
  • #394
You are not far off the mark. Doctors often prescribe for their own children, be it antibiotics or sedatives or what have you. They do it mostly for convenience.

I think the McCanns overprescribed for Madeleine, who was by all accounts a little pistol, and hard to settle down in the evening.

I believe they had help disposing of the body, probably from someone else in their doctor group.

A huge coverup has followed.
 
  • #395
Hello BadKat:

Thank you for sharing your "story/theory". The more theories we can get the clearer it will all become. On this forum we have been discussing this possible chain of events (pretty close to your submission) for about a month now.

My post from June 26 on Websleuths

Good evening all,

I have thought about it alot and after that marathon phone call with our UK MoonGoddess, I think I can tell you all my theory.

I really believe that prior to their dinner date that fateful evening GM and KM were preparing the kids for another evening alone. I think Maddie was not too pleased with the prospect. I think she had been traumatized a couple of nights previously, remember the reports of neighbors hearing her crying for her so-called father? She was not being cooperative and might even have thrown a fit. I think GM was angry at being kept from his "fun" that evening. I think he lost his temper when trying to get her to take her sedative and either scared her so badly that her little heart gave out or he manhandled her and fatally injured her. My reference to her heart has to do with the possibility of her having a heart defect related to a mild form of CHARGE that she might have had (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHARGE_syndrome). I believe that GM panicked and convinced KM that they had to cover it up because if they didn't they would lose their medical licenses and the twins as well. I think he had time to take Maddie's body to a remote location and hide her and then return to the resort in time for dinner. I would love to know how their dinner mates felt about their behavior that night. I think KM felt no choice but to go along with her husband. Some of her body language shows some anger towards GM. Watch her in this video (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...264418,00.html) when she reads the script asking for the return of their daughter and GM nuzzles her at the end. Watch her eyes and the movement of her head and see if you don't pick up on a flash of anger towards GM. I see it right at the end when he starts rubbing on her. I thought the nuzzle looked like GM's way of saying "thanks for going along with protecting my sorry a$$". Once the deed was done they were trapped. No going back. I am not sure that they have involved anyone else in this deception (maybe the friend that said she saw a stranger carring a child?) but he could insure their silence by threating to expose their own neglect of their children. He could convince them that if they talked they would all end up investigated by the authorities.

So, that's it in a nutshell. Fire away with the "but what about" and "how does that fit in with" and let me see if I can give solid answers. Please shoot holes in my theory and convince me that she is still alive and will be returned to her so-called parents.

I feel Maddie speaking to my soul too. I think she is in the dark, scared, cold, lonely and confused. I think she is close to the resort. I wish I could go try to find her. I think the PJ knows more than they can tell. They don't have hard evidence and therefore can't make an accusation or an arrest.

Ok, fire away...let's examine the possibilities.
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As you can see alot of us have been of pretty much the same mind for quite awhile. Alot of us think that something bad happened. So far, it is the senario that makes sense.
 
  • #396
Welcome to WS BadKat, great post, many of us have been thinking along the same lines as you. But are the LE thinking the same and investigating the parents and the party of friends they were with that fateful night. Noone knows, the McCanns along with their campaign staff are doing a good job of putting the spotlight on themselves as the concerning parents instead of suspects.
Hope the LE wisen up a bit and have a proper look at the McCanns and their friends.
Prayers to Madelaine where ever you are.
 
  • #397
Welcome to WS, Badkat! :) Thanks for posting your thoughts...

I am one that was indecisive at first and was quick to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the longer it goes on, and the more I read of their (McCanns) own words, the more I find myself being skeptical of their innocence in her disappearance. Something just isn't right about things...

Odd that a criminal would only take the Sterling, but leave the Euro... money is money, surely a pick-pocket criminal would not take the time to discern between what money to take and what money not to take. That incident with his wallet, sounds awfully fishy...

But then again, on a the lighter side, the Sterling is worth far more money than the Euro. ;) I've done a lot of traveling in the UK and other European countries... I know that sterling when compared to the euro is the more profitable. Guess Mr. McCann wants us to believe that he was robbed by a financially wise robber? :)
 
  • #398
Not just a financially wise robber but one with a heart who mails back what he doesn't want when he's done. Please if I were a pick pocket I would take the euros why not they would be easy to get rid of and any bank to change then into another currency. I'm familiar with the US dollar and the euro but when I hear Sterling I think silver. I'm guessing he didn't have a bar of silver in his wallet so if someone could clue me in. Thanks
 
  • #399
Welcome, BadKat.

We have all sorts of theories here, from believing that a kidnapping did take place to Madeleine wandering away and dying to a feeling that the parents killed her. Everyone is welcome. Excellent theory.
 
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But then again, on a the lighter side, the Sterling is worth far more money than the Euro. ;) I've done a lot of traveling in the UK and other European countries... I know that sterling when compared to the euro is the more profitable. Guess Mr. McCann wants us to believe that he was robbed by a financially wise robber? :)

I could never get past the "wallet being picked right after he got a cash withdrawal at a money machine". The British pride themselves (and rightfully so) with being tops in the world (or pretty darn close) for CCTV surveillance. I cannot get past how there was no CCTV footage shown. Just another case of "it does not add up".

Ugh....
 
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