Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 8

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  • #261
(sorry to snip all your hard work ;) )
Me: Its possible space aliens came down and were playing a videotape of children crying for their daddy in one of the empty vacation suites, but neighbors to the suite reported that they had complained about a child crying for daddy in the evening coming from the McCann suite.

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Aliens...
 
  • #262
Beth said: A good example of an inconsistency is that the McCanns stated that the window had been tampered with, but LE says that there is no sign that anyone came in the window.
MsMouseMat said: How do you know this? Only someone who has read the police reports could substantiate this statement. And initially the Mc Canns might have thought that they had kept the


As a former tabloid newspaper editor, I am heartened that you have absolute faith in the press. Only wish I had.
 
  • #263
One of the really great things about this forum is our freedom to post what we think, even if based on conjecture and speculation.
From your post #158 (first one I found):

If he was still around on the night after the disappearance he might have still been gathering information - or not. Particularly since he is described as over eager to please.

Was there a police report to back that up?

Are you suggesting that we are only allowed to post thoughts if backed up by fact (police report, if you consider that fact)?

Nope, sorry, but we will post anything we want, whenever we want, and we should not have to substantiate every thought with an official, documented, notorized form of confirmation.

Please be considerate of the feelings of others that might offer up their thoughts, and with great difficulty (it is not easy suggesting some theories), and do not need to feel like their ideas are not relevant.

Every post is relevant....including yours!



* Clearly that is not the case as I'm just asking posters to substantiate the opinions that they hold. The source of the material is very important to establish the truth.

However, I'd prefer to contribute to a site without spiteful diatribes about people who are evidently in pain. If only the rest of us were so perfect. So Toodle Pip as all we Brits say!

And goodbye to all those compassionate people on the site. Good luck in your sleuthing.
 
  • #264
One of the really great things about this forum is our freedom to post what we think, even if based on conjecture and speculation. . .
Actually it seems the rules on posting have changed somewhat since I first became a member. Although I looked for it again before posting here and could no longer find it, one of the mods had once posted rules for being able to post on Websleuths that said you had to be able to link your source info to a viable news source and blogs and other forum posts were specifically not allowed. So some of us find ourselves still asking for such links when someone posts. Also I often ask for source links anyway as people are often trying to pass off their own opinion as fact and I want to know if what I am reading is fact or opinion and so I ask. I am surprised that you get offended at being asked to say whether your post is fact or opinion and I am a bit puzzled that you would feel that is somehow an attempted form of censorship.

I take this moment to say to all that my opinion is that although we all have a right to post our opinions if all we do is post over and over about how bad the parents of the missing girl are for not having watched her then eventually those of us who would rather sleuth the case and try and examine the case for clues will just go away and then this forum thread will just be for those who are happy to do nothing but post over and over about how bad the parents were for leaving their children relatively unsupervised for a certain slice of time. Those of us who prefer to just stick to the case itself should probably ignore such posts about the parents. We have recently lost one poster to the bickering. I for one will make an effort to stick to responses about the case itself and if I see no posts about the case itself I too will eventually move on to threads where cases are actually being discussed as a case rather than just a commentary thread because thats the sort of forum stuff I look for.
 
  • #265
In this case we are hampered by the fact that major news organizations in the UK, where most of the information originates, have been squelching articles that appear to be negative towards the McCanns. They go into the paper, we link a post to them, and just as quickly they are removed. And to be honest, living in the US, I don't know what is considered a UK tabloid and what is a reputable newspaper.
 
  • #266
http://functionpix.com/index.php/ar...acker_detectives_in_too_late_say_police/1543/

I love this part: Both parents have come under increasing criticism for having left the child alone unattended for any length of time, but the parents say that they were justified in doing so because they felt that they ‘also needed a holiday’.

And that, dear children, is why you hire a babysitter or leave the tots at home with extended family when you want to get away alone.
 
  • #267
http://functionpix.com/index.php/ar...acker_detectives_in_too_late_say_police/1543/

I love this part: Both parents have come under increasing criticism for having left the child alone unattended for any length of time, but the parents say that they were justified in doing so because they felt that they ‘also needed a holiday’.

And that, dear children, is why you hire a babysitter or leave the tots at home with extended family when you want to get away alone.
Absolutely gobsmacked, how can you not criticise the parents when they say stupid things like that. But then it was written in a newspaper so it might not be true.
At least you had a link to the source of the information CaliKid, good sleuthing.
 
  • #268
Actually it seems the rules on posting have changed somewhat since I first became a member. Although I looked for it again before posting here and could no longer find it, one of the mods had once posted rules for being able to post on Websleuths that said you had to be able to link your source info to a viable news source and blogs and other forum posts were specifically not allowed. So some of us find ourselves still asking for such links when someone posts. Also I often ask for source links anyway as people are often trying to pass off their own opinion as fact and I want to know if what I am reading is fact or opinion and so I ask. I am surprised that you get offended at being asked to say whether your post is fact or opinion and I am a bit puzzled that you would feel that is somehow an attempted form of censorship.

I take this moment to say to all that my opinion is that although we all have a right to post our opinions if all we do is post over and over about how bad the parents of the missing girl are for not having watched her then eventually those of us who would rather sleuth the case and try and examine the case for clues will just go away and then this forum thread will just be for those who are happy to do nothing but post over and over about how bad the parents were for leaving their children relatively unsupervised for a certain slice of time. Those of us who prefer to just stick to the case itself should probably ignore such posts about the parents. We have recently lost one poster to the bickering. I for one will make an effort to stick to responses about the case itself and if I see no posts about the case itself I too will eventually move on to threads where cases are actually being discussed as a case rather than just a commentary thread becasue thats the sort of forum stuff I look for.


Hey Docwho,
I recently received the TOS from Windchime at my request and there is no rule stating one had to back up any posts with source information. However, if I had been pressed to do so, I would have searched the threads on Madeleine and found them - all of the articles are directly from threads about Madeleine on websleuths. It would however be difficult to have a discussion about a case if I had to post the source for every bit of case data that I had collected in my brain.

To some of us, discussing the parents behavior, is discussion of the case . To some people here the McCanns should be the number one suspects.
 
  • #269
And I'd like to add, in every case I've ever heard of, the last person to see someone before s/he disappears is a POI until cleared. The PJ say the McCanns are not suspects, but they could be operating like many LE agencies in the US where someone is not named as a suspect until evidence is collected and points to a certain person.
 
  • #270
Hey Docwho,
I recently received the TOS from Windchime at my request and there is no rule stating one had to back up any posts with source information. However, if I had been pressed to do so, I would have searched the threads on Madeleine and found them - all of the articles are directly from threads about Madeleine on websleuths. It would however be difficult to have a discussion about a case if I had to post the source for every bit of case data that I had collected in my brain.

To some of us, discussing the parents behavior, is discussion of the case . To some people here the McCanns should be the number one suspects.
If you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I said the rules have changed since I became a member. Those were once the rules but now they are no longer rules as I stated in my post. You were not lied to, I said what is true. Also I said that I searched for the older posted old rules prior to posting and could no longer find the old rules. That fact along with the new and looser TOS which is available for all to read is why I said things have changed. I mentioned the old rules so readers might better understand one of the reasons some of us post so many source links when we post and one reason why we often ask it of others.

I suppose people get really tired of having to back up their posts with reputable source links and perhaps that is why the rules were loosened up. I am glad you would have taken all that effort to post source links in your posts and I wonder why you choose not to do so since it would lend credibility to your posts even if it is no longer a requirement by TOS.

Now that I have responded to your concerns I will no longer do so. I see no reason to turn a simple post into a drawn out exchange which will likely not help find the missing little girl.
 
  • #271
If you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I said the rules have changed since I became a member. Those were once the rules but now they are no longer rules as I stated in my post. You were not lied to, I said what is true. Also I said that I searched for the older posted old rules prior to posting and could no longer find the old rules. That fact along with the new and looser TOS which is available for all to read is why I said things have changed. I mentioned the old rules so readers might better understand one of the reasons some of us post so many source links when we post and one reason why we often ask it of others.

I suppose people get really tired of having to back up their posts with reputable source links and perhaps that is why the rules were loosened up. I am glad you would have taken all that effort to post source links in your posts and I wonder why you choose not to do so since it would lend credibility to your posts even if it is no longer a requirement by TOS.

Now that I have responded to your concerns I will no longer do so. I see no reason to turn a simple post into a drawn out exchange which will likely not help find the missing little girl.
All the information that has been reported or aired on TV plus interviews with witnesses and suspects has been posted on this site and the links have also been posted. It just gets annoying when everything we post, has to be backed up by posts and links that are already somewhere in the threads regarding this case. If posters want a link or more information then look for it, with so many threads about the disappearance of Madelaine it is hard to recall the exact link or time when it was posted.
So if we quote something and we dont have a link then it is probably an opinion by that poster, and most of use say it is our opinion only, but we dont make things up, we have theorys as to how something could have happened but that is all it is a theory that we think could have possibly happened, it isnt fact, just how different posters think, we would have read or heard about it and posted the link to verify it. But reposting the same things over and over again because somebody new visits this site, or are too lazy to read the previous threads and catch up to where we are now is just a waste of time.
 
  • #272
All the information that has been reported or aired on TV plus interviews with witnesses and suspects has been posted on this site and the links have also been posted. . .
Given some of the statements I have seen posted I know that is not entirely true but I am not responding to the post in depth. The whole thing is not worth battling over. This should be about finding the little girl and instead it has become some sort of battle for power and I have no time or energy to waste on such. You who so want to have this thread to just vent can have it for that or any other purpose the mods see fit to allow. Call it case discussion or justify it however you want. I for one am going to move on to other threads and when and if this thread ever does more than just rant against the parents I may return. After all you all should have the right to speak your mind without being bothered by those of us who have differeing views and thoughts and questions, else why all the resistance?
 
  • #273
Given some of the statements I have seen posted I know that is not entirely true but I am not responding to the post in depth. The whole thing is not worth battling over. This should be about finding the little girl and instead it has become some sort of battle for power and I have no time or energy to waste on such. You who so want to have this thread to just vent can have it for that or any other purpose the mods see fit to allow. Call it case discussion or justify it however you want. I for one am going to move on to other threads and when and if this thread ever does more than just rant against the parents I may return. After all you all should have the right to speak your mind without being bothered by those of us who have differeing views and thoughts and questions, else why all the resistance?
There is no resistance all the information that any of us know is here in the Madelaine threads, how each poster interprets it is entirely up to them. But having to back up every post with more information that is already here is a waste of time. Everyone has eyes and ears, and their opinions, which we are all free to post here and the posters who are interested in finding Madelaine and want to know how, why and when, can access the same information or if they find more they post it here, what more can one do.
 
  • #274
Correct: negative comments are deleted on boards within seconds/only positive reports are printed.
'Anorak' UK website: a poster admitted to being paid (!!!) to refute any criticism of parents!!! Can you beleive it?
Incredible, but their hometown newspaper, Leister Mercury, actually printed that only 80 people attended the 'concert for Madeleine' last weekend. (They were the paper that took down the discussion board 2 weeks ago due to too many hard, unable to answer questions of the McCann's post-disappearance, suspicious behavior.
 
  • #275
This is the warrant for his arrest - not a nice guy

http://tinyurl.com/yust7r

He goes under several different names

A quick snip ~
All crimes which have been known so far, were initially committed in​
Munich and later at the

Portuguese residence of SCHULZ in Vila Nova de Cerveira (district of Braga/Portugal). unsnip

I think it was Scandi that found the original article and Kizzbo that followed up with this arrest warrant.

How did you guys find this information? You are obviously using different search engines than I am because all I get is the UK media and a smattering of US media.

Is there a way to find out more about this person or other international Pedophiles? I found one site that listed 3 men who had failed to register. Not enough information to even make a wild guess about whether they were in the area or not.

Second - how can we follow up on the person who was docked at PdL for several years and sailed away the night Maddie was taken? Do you think there could be a connection between that boat and this guy? It appears this guy has been hiding from the German authorities since 2002.

Salem
 
  • #276
In following as much of the media as I can find and the additional information posted by Colomom, Calikid and others from the SOL, Aussie Mike and other media links I have trouble seaching out, I have come to the conclusion that:

The Portugese media is at "war" with the UK media (or vice versa), making it necessary to read between the lines of all information published.:confused: I read an article yesterday, just a reiteration of previously published info, that again stated the Tapas bar was only 40 yards away. In this case, it has become my thought, that there is no desire to publish facts, on either side of the fence.

Aside from one or two "leakers" of the PLE, there is no substantial information from this source.

I have thought on several occassions that LE was on the brink of a break through in the case. One was very early on, when the (I think retired) British investigator consulted with PLE and determined that the windows and shutters had not been compromised the night Maddie disappeared. The BI said that he had, if IRC, satisfied himself that the shutters were not disturbed, PLE was doing everything possible and had a great deal of evidence and he predicted the case would be solved within a week or so.

This was an early article - it has been at least two months since it was published (there is a link to it in one of the earlier threads).

Now we again hear that specialist are helping in the investigation, but it is too late? Some articles state that the specialist and PLE do not seem to be working together and are at odds (see Calikid's link from yesterday). Then, they say British LE have been involved all along.

At different times, I have highly suspected that somewhere in the ranks of the PLE, someone was involved if this is really an abduction. There have been different reasons for this, but the main reason was the lack of action in the search identified by the Dutch psychic. This particular person appearantly managed to locate a couple of British girls within a mile or so of their location. Dutch authorities seemed to think there might be something to the communication and it was passed on to PLE. According to media reports - PLE would not have acted at all except for the media outcry and when they did act they did not do a very good job.:(

We still don't know what happened to the towel that was found? We don't know what happened with Murrat's DNA? We don't know who sailed away? And we don't know who the last person to see Maddie was..... was it Matt, the friend or was it Gerry?

Salem
 
  • #277
The car was rented on May 5th so that doesn't fit (I remember thinking that too).

This could fit...... when was his house searched? Seems it was several days later. He could have kept Madeleine in the secret room for a couple of days before moving her.

I wonder what the acoustics are like in that room? Is it sound proof? If Murat had done such a thing, would his mother have been able to hear if Madeleine was crying or moving around?

Salem
 
  • #278
In following as much of the media as I can find and the additional information posted by Colomom, Calikid and others from the SOL, Aussie Mike and other media links I have trouble seaching out, I have come to the conclusion that:

The Portugese media is at "war" with the UK media (or vice versa), making it necessary to read between the lines of all information published.:confused: I read an article yesterday, just a reiteration of previously published info, that again stated the Tapas bar was only 40 yards away. In this case, it has become my thought, that there is no desire to publish facts, on either side of the fence.

Aside from one or two "leakers" of the PLE, there is no substantial information from this source.

I have thought on several occassions that LE was on the brink of a break through in the case. One was very early on, when the (I think retired) British investigator consulted with PLE and determined that the windows and shutters had not been compromised the night Maddie disappeared. The BI said that he had, if IRC, satisfied himself that the shutters were not disturbed, PLE was doing everything possible and had a great deal of evidence and he predicted the case would be solved within a week or so.

This was an early article - it has been at least two months since it was published (there is a link to it in one of the earlier threads).

Now we again hear that specialist are helping in the investigation, but it is too late? Some articles state that the specialist and PLE do not seem to be working together and are at odds (see Calikid's link from yesterday). Then, they say British LE have been involved all along.

At different times, I have highly suspected that somewhere in the ranks of the PLE, someone was involved if this is really an abduction. There have been different reasons for this, but the main reason was the lack of action in the search identified by the Dutch psychic. This particular person appearantly managed to locate a couple of British girls within a mile or so of their location. Dutch authorities seemed to think there might be something to the communication and it was passed on to PLE. According to media reports - PLE would not have acted at all except for the media outcry and when they did act they did not do a very good job.:(

We still don't know what happened to the towel that was found? We don't know what happened with Murrat's DNA? We don't know who sailed away? And we don't know who the last person to see Maddie was..... was it Matt, the friend or was it Gerry?

Salem

Nor do we know anything about those cell phone records that were going to be checked for the area the night Madeleine went missing. And what about the Russian guy and that phone call to Murat the night Madeleine went missing that he denied he made? And just WHAT was found on the Russian's computer that was quickly hushed up?
 
  • #279
This should be about finding the little girl and instead it has become some sort of battle for power and I have no time or energy to waste on such. Call it case discussion or justify it however you want. I for one am going to move on to other threads and when and if this thread ever does more than just rant against the parents I may return.
This is how I feel too. All too often Madeleine is being forgotten in the rush to get at the parents.

I think there is an agenda, not by all, but by some. Apologies to those who don't take part.
And I do know people are being driven away from this thread by the tone here.

I thought tabloids were bad, but I definately don't believe any of the rubbish found on blogs, most of it is there for the purpose of mischief making.
There are constantly searches for anything negative and a rush to post it here...while clearly ignoring anything positive. This has become the norm for a while now.

Its a shame to see it happening here. Its just a game to bloggers. They load the gun and their followers fire their bullets. They don't have to take any responsibility for the things they say.

By trying to destroy the McCanns, there will be damage to the campaign too, and that could also seriously affect the chances of finding Madeleine.
I doubt most of us really want that to happen. But I fear it will if the blogs have their way.

For me Madeleine, and only Madeleine should be the focus.

I have had it too. Unless this thread becomes balanced again, and the focus returns to Madeleine.

Praying for you Madeleine
🤬🤬🤬
 
  • #280
At different times, I have highly suspected that somewhere in the ranks of the PLE, someone was involved if this is really an abduction. There have been different reasons for this, but the main reason was the lack of action in the search identified by the Dutch psychic. This particular person appearantly managed to locate a couple of British girls within a mile or so of their location. Dutch authorities seemed to think there might be something to the communication and it was passed on to PLE. According to media reports - PLE would not have acted at all except for the media outcry and when they did act they did not do a very good job.:(

I can understand why police wouldnt' want to take a psychic's tip very seriously. As much as I know that psychics' believe in their abilities, I don't and therefore wouldnt' take a psychic's tip seriously either.

I do find the information about the british consultant very interesting. There IS evidence? Who knew???
 
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