Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 8

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  • #301
Here are a couple more links. These stories are in English. Sounds like a credible witness, my only concern is that the media is not saying the witness actually saw Madeleine's eye.....:(

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2831149.ece

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...pes+100+days+after+she+disappeared/article.do

Let's hope they can run that DNA quickly and someone spots the car.

Kel - while you are out shopping, check all the Volvos you run across too for license plates starting with VUV, if you can.

Salem
 
  • #302
Lets hope this latest sighting of Madelaine in Belgium pays off, please let it be her, at least the sighted little girl sounded unharmed.
 
  • #303
I hope it's her too, Shazza. But it makes you wonder, if these are her kidnappers, why they would be so reckless as to take her out in public. Surely having two people with her, someone could've stayed in the car with her so they wouldn't attract attention.
 
  • #304
I hope it's her too, Shazza. But it makes you wonder, if these are her kidnappers, why they would be so reckless as to take her out in public. Surely having two people with her, someone could've stayed in the car with her so they wouldn't attract attention.
Hopefully they thought they were safe in Belgium and the media would have died down by now, I know it sounds like a long shot, but Im just trying to keep thinking she is alive and well. Any new information, no matter how trivial keeps my hopes alive for her safety.
 
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praying that this is madeleine and that she is found quickly, so glad the little girl seemed unhurt - thats something anyway... the article said that the waitress at the cafe had said that the guy spoke holland dutch meaning he is probably from the Netherlands as opposed to Belgium. If this is madeleine, i wonder if he has a house here that hes bringing her back to, or Zeeland is a very popular area of south holland for camping/ caravan sites and holiday homes, I'll be driving the motorways from rotterdam to luxembourg tomorrow so will keep an eye out for the car and number plate.....very interested too see any info that kel can glean from the area.
 
  • #308
Surely they have the capabilities to do a motor vehicle search for that car. Even with only having the first three letters of the plate number they could narrow it down. Then check out every car that matches until they find the couple with the little girl. Come on!!! How hard can it be. Frustrating!
 
  • #309
praying that this is madeleine and that she is found quickly, so glad the little girl seemed unhurt - thats something anyway... the article said that the waitress at the cafe had said that the guy spoke holland dutch meaning he is probably from the Netherlands as opposed to Belgium. If this is madeleine, i wonder if he has a house here that hes bringing her back to, or Zeeland is a very popular area of south holland for camping/ caravan sites and holiday homes, I'll be driving the motorways from rotterdam to luxembourg tomorrow so will keep an eye out for the car and number plate.....very interested too see any info that kel can glean from the area.

And here is the latest from the Guardian--which says this happened last Saturday, :doh:

Have a good motor trip....hope there are lots of posters around.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2141158,00.html
 
  • #310
Surely they have the capabilities to do a motor vehicle search for that car. Even with only having the first three letters of the plate number they could narrow it down. Then check out every car that matches until they find the couple with the little girl. Come on!!! How hard can it be. Frustrating!

You would think so, Rhett---One article said it was a black volvo estate....If this happened last saturday, the clock is ticking very fast.!!!!
 
  • #311
The europol site didnt have any further info....sorry i didnt realise the sighting was a week ago....

benelux have a combined vehicle registry, so it should be easy to do a search on matching vehicles. The border control between the three is virtually non existent so it would be very easy to drive over.
 
  • #312
WOW!

There appears to be alot of things happening regarding Maddie.

Check this: http://tinyurl.com/yv22hh

"Wild speculations in the Spanish media develop over the fact that Urs Hans Von Aesch was recently to the Algarve. There became at the 3. May the small larva line McCann kidnaps, which disappeared since that time without trace."

Apparently there may be a connection between this little girl missing and Maddie. Looks like the main suspect, who killed himself, may be involved with Ylenia's dissapearance and he was in the Algarve on May 3rd! Translation is dodgy but there may also be connection to Spain (where the McCanns visited briefly yesterday) as well.

Also the headline on the UK Daily Express (see: http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2007-08-04) says that there are 3 new witnesses (what takes these people so long to come forward??) that have provided "vital" new clues and apparently someone has said that the composite sketch (look back a page) looks like someone seen at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz!!

This could be a very interesting, if not exciting, weekend. Stay close to your 'puter!!
 
  • #313
I go away for a day and all heck breaks loose. Wow, wouldn't it be wonderful if they can get a DNA match to Madeleine off that straw. Just to prove she is alive after disappearing for three months would be a huge jolt of morale to all of us who want this child found and returned. And then if little Ylenia ties in with Madeleine too, maybe both girls would be discovered safely.
 
  • #314
WOW!

There appears to be alot of things happening regarding Maddie.

Check this: http://tinyurl.com/yv22hh

"Wild speculations in the Spanish media develop over the fact that Urs Hans Von Aesch was recently to the Algarve. There became at the 3. May the small larva line McCann kidnaps, which disappeared since that time without trace."

Apparently there may be a connection between this little girl missing and Maddie. Looks like the main suspect, who killed himself, may be involved with Ylenia's dissapearance and he was in the Algarve on May 3rd! Translation is dodgy but there may also be connection to Spain (where the McCanns visited briefly yesterday) as well.

Also the headline on the UK Daily Express (see: http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2007-08-04) says that there are 3 new witnesses (what takes these people so long to come forward??) that have provided "vital" new clues and apparently someone has said that the composite sketch (look back a page) looks like someone seen at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz!!

This could be a very interesting, if not exciting, weekend. Stay close to your 'puter!!


I wont be too far away from my computer this weekend, will be checking constantly for any news of Madelaine.
The information in the first link you posted kinda confused me a little, this guy urs hans Von Aesch was in the same area on the day Madelaine went missing and has killed himself, and was responsible for another missing child, is that the gist of that story or am I way off.

Lets hope these new witnesses can enlighten the LE to the whereabouts of Madelaine.
 
  • #315
Geez, Australia is a bit behind the 8 ball when it comes to any news about Madelaine, it was just on our nightly news coverage about Madelaine being seen in a cafe in Belgium. Thank goodness for WS.
 
  • #316
They are saying on the mirror forums that Murats house is being searched.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6931159.stm (the link below didn't work)

This was posted by ShuBob at the Mirror forums...
ShuBob said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6931159.stm
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Police in Portugal investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have renewed their search of the home of 33-year-old Briton Robert Murat.
About 10 officers returned to the home of Mr Murat, the only official suspect, in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.
Four-year-old Madeleine went missing from the resort in May, while was on holiday with her family.
Mr Murat's property was initially searched days after Madeleine was abducted while she slept.
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  • #317
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I wont be too far away from my computer this weekend, will be checking constantly for any news of Madelaine.
The information in the first link you posted kinda confused me a little, this guy urs hans Von Aesch was in the same area on the day Madelaine went missing and has killed himself, and was responsible for another missing child, is that the gist of that story or am I way off.

Lets hope these new witnesses can enlighten the LE to the whereabouts of Madelaine.

That's it in a nutshell Shazza. Here is more: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_11837.shtml

There is lots going on and I am all of the net collecting stuff. There are reports that there is a big police search going on at Murat's house today. Helicopters and everything. Reported as not being a forensic search. :waitasec:

I will be back....going to look for a new Sol article....
 
  • #318
Not good, not at all. I wanted to post this translation complete ASAP but might try to find a link instead and replace it. This up and down, back and forth, inside and out.....it's killing me.


in Sol on August 4, 2007:

a report by Felicia Cabrita with Margarida Davim
translation by astro


Looking for Maddie’s body

The investigations have returned to their initial course. Portuguese and british police search for the body of the child in the surroundings of Praia da Luz

“There are strong signs” that Madeleine, the english child that disappeared from Praia da Luz almost one hundred days ago, “is dead”, police sources have told Sol.

The 180º turnaround that the investigation by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) from Portimao seems to have done in the past few days, even led the Attorney General, Pinto Monteiro, to postpone the making of an interview that had been requested by british media chain BBC – an interview that would be focusing on the fact that, so long after Maddie’s disapperance, the authorities still remain without real clues concerning her whereabouts.

Although an official source from the PGR justified the postponing of the interview with “agenda issues”, the moves by the PJ and some elements from the british police during these last days – accompanied by two dogs, in Praia da Luz – seem to indicate that the investigation is now centered on the McCann family and their group of friends.

Sol could find out that the english dogs are trained for different tasks. One, to detect human remains originating from dead flesh, and the other one to detect human blood or fluids. A specialist that was contacted by Sol explains that the technique of these animals rests on scientific bases, and that while “one of the dogs can distinguish between natural death or death by accident that does not involve bloodshed, the other one can diagnose whether someone died a violent death, with bloodshed or other spilled fluids”.

Tuesday night, a black and white cocker spaniel that is trained to detect death, spent several hours in the apartment that the McCann family occupied in the Ocean Club resort, and from where Maddie disappeared on May 3. According to sources within the investigation, the dog marked the death of the child inside the apartment.

On the dogs’ trail

The english dogs do not contradict the clues that were detected by the sniffer dog that GNR sent to the location, on the day following the english girl’s disappearance. It’s an animal that only follows odours, and that “detected the movement of the child from the room to another point inside the apartment”, according to a source with the Guarda.

The same source said that “based on that signal, it was not possible to conclude whether the child was alive or dead – because a sniffer dog will smell both the living and the dead”.

Yet, outside the house, both through the windows that faced the Tapas restaurant – where the McCanns had dinner with their seven friends – and through the main door, “the dog lost the trail, as if the child had exited, for example, rolled up in a blanket”, that source said.

A team from Sol, on the terrain for the last two weeks, could observe the work of the cocker spaniel from the british police, performing several diligences along the water in Praia da Luz and in a nearby valley.

The animal’s path, on Wednesday night, seemed to test the deposition from several witnesses that were heard by the PJ in late May – namely an irish family that have been living in Luz, and who, on the day that Maddie vanished, reportedly crossed ways with a man that carried a child that seemed to be asleep.

According to their deposition to PJ, Martin Smith, his wife and his children, after leaving the Kelly bar, which is located approximately 400 metres from the Ocean Club, around 9.50 / 10.00 p.m., saw an individual described as caucasian, measuring 1.70 – 1.75 m, walking towards the beach.

The irish man told Sol that he knew Robert Murat (the only arguido in the process) visually for years – and also remembered seeing the anglo-portuguese man in a bar that evening, “already a bit intoxicated”. Therefore, the irish dismissed the possibility that the person he saw carrying a child could be Murat: “If it was him, I guarantee to you that I would have recognized him”.

Concerning the clothes the man he saw on that night was wearing, Smith only refers the “beige trousers”, given the fact that his upper body was hidden by the child’s body, which was not covered. It is curious that one of the elements that formed the group of Maddie’s parents’ friends, guaranteed to PJ several days before Smith was heard, that - at a moment when she left the table to check on the group’s children - she had crossed ways with a man that was wearing trousers that fit the description that was also made by the irish man.

That individual was also carrying a sleeping child. And the witness, who even managed to see what pyjamas the child was wearing, just “thought it was strange that the child was barefoot and uncovered”. This witness said it would be 9.15 p.m.

Direct access to the PM

According to the course the PJ from Portimao is now conducting the investigation, and considering the trail that the british police’s cocker spaniel tracked along the sea shore, the individual would have descended to Praia da Luz, where he could have disposed of Maddie’s body. Sol knows that the english team contacted Joao Alveirinho Dias, a professor at the University of Algarve and a specialist in oceanography, in order to collect information about the sea’s dynamics and the beach area where everything may have happened. The investigator, who was not briefed about the context of the police inquiries, told Sol that he was consulted on “the sand movements, where they come from and where they go to”.

The police investigation has therefore, and according to our sources, returned to its initial course, and it becomes increasingly clear, as Sol had reported previously, that there is no proof against Murat.

Yet, the british media continue to point a finger at the anglo-portuguese man, although the criminal investigation has returned to clues that relate to the group of friends of Madeleine’s parents.

A journalist with the Daily Express – who has repeatedly contacted Sol searching for new information on this case – recognized this week that it is “difficult for an english newspaper to adopt a critical tone concerning Madeleine’s parents”.

The Daily Express cited, in one of its last reports, the news that have been published by Sol, describing them as a “hate campaign” against the McCanns. The same journalist ended up confessing that “it’s the only way we can transmit your data”.

Sol knows that Gerry McCann has regular contact with Gordon Brown, the british Prime Minister. Clarence Mitchell – who was the first spokesman for the McCanns and is now in the press cabinet at Nr. 10, Downing Street – confirms those contacts. “I know there is a communication line between Gerry and Gordon Brown. I know they talk. But I don’t know what they talk about, because those are informal conversations”, he clarified, further adding: “The Madeleine case is treated whenever there are bilateral meetings between Portugal and the United Kingdom. Gordon Brown is sensitive to the case and wants it solved quickly”.
 
  • #319
That's it in a nutshell Shazza. Here is more: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_11837.shtml

There is lots going on and I am all of the net collecting stuff. There are reports that there is a big police search going on at Murat's house today. Helicopters and everything. Reported as not being a forensic search. :waitasec:

I will be back....going to look for a new Sol article....

I wonder if they are looking to see if they can find any evidence of any connection to Von Aesch or to those people Madeleine was possibly spotted with, or to that black vehicle. If so, I would imagine anything like that has long since been destroyed by Murat.

I'm anxious about the DNA testing on that straw.
 
  • #320
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1278599,00.html?f=rss

Breaking News

Police Search Suspect's Home

Updated: 13:49, Saturday August 04, 2007
<H2>The home of Robert Murat - the only named suspect in the Madeleine McCann inquiry - is being searched again.

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Madeleine disappeared on May 3

Two British police officers are at the scene in Portugal - where undergrowth is being cleared and trees cut down - along with around eight from the local force.
It is thought the operation could last four days.
The development comes just after a woman in Belgium insisted she saw the missing four-year-old in a cafe with a couple who were acting strangely.
She said the child was with an English-speaking woman and a Dutch man in the Flemish town of Tongeren.
 
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