Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 8

[CaliKid]

If this is true- OH NO!

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New Theory: Madeleine will have been deceased accidentally

Madeline McCann can have died for accident in the room of the Ocean Club, in the Algarve, where she was installed with the parents, she advances the Periodical of Notice in its edition of today

Traces of blood of someone who is deceased, presumably Madeleine's, has been discovered on a wall of the main room of the McCanns' Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz where the girl disappeared on May 3.

This information suggests the possibility of an accident rather than a murder, in spite of the fact that the traces were cleaned to conceal them. This fact, to be tested, would confirm the death of Madeleine inside the apartment of holidays of the Ocean Club, without however explaining how she died.

The evidence was discovered this past week after the use of sniffer dogs brought over from the United Kingdom, but there is no scientific evidence yet that proves it is the blood of the young child, even if experts have already isolated the possibility of contamination of the samples. The apartment occupied by the McCanns - the 5A - has been rented several times this summer since June.

Saturday, while the attention of the journalists concentrated on the excavations in the property of Robert Murat, the technicians of the Criminal Investigation Department subjected the apartment occupied by McCann to the black light - scenescope - in their search for new traces. All examinations were recorded in photograph.

Until the moment, the Criminal Investigation Department did not want to comment on the results of the excavations and examinations carried out, but a source close to the investigation confirms that in the next days there will be new interrogations, in particular among the friends of the McCann couple. A possibility suggested by the investigators, is that of a possible Exeter connection between Robert Murat and the friends of the McCann couple because, to confirm the death of Madeleine McCann, nobody knows under what circumstances: an accident, a murder or a removal which would have badly turned.

The same source, advances that there will be still excavations and examinations in other places because the PJ does not have yet indices in connection with the place or would be the body of Madeleine McCann.

“The work of yesterday (Saturday) consisted of preparing the land for the scientific operations of today and had exactly that to be made”, it said source of the PJ to the beginning of the morning.

 

[CaliKid]

http://www.allmediascotland.com/articles/1640/06082007/asking_questions_of_the_mccann_media_machine

Good article by a Scottish newspaper on why the British media has been so easy on the McCanns.

 

[petra]

Catching up on the News--This story above (about blood found on the wall) is reported in most PT media this morning:waitasec: :waitasec: I am totally lost, so many different theories and activities going on at once. What a mess..

in Sol - http://tinyurl.com/2znov4

on SIC - http://tinyurl.com/yol5or

in Correio da Manha - http://tinyurl.com/24g4tf - http://www.24horasnewspaper.co.....hp?id=6905

in Portugal Diario - http://www.portugaldiario.iol......div_id=291

This is just plain terrifying.

 

[petra]

http://www.allmediascotland.com/articles/1640/06082007/asking_questions_of_the_mccann_media_machine

Good article by a Scottish newspaper on why the British media has been so easy on the McCanns.

Thanks for the link. Interesting take on media sway.
CaliKid-What do you make of all this? The only news story that is reported the same way is KM interview.

 

[CaliKid]

Thanks for the link. Interesting take on media sway.
CaliKid-What do you make of all this? The only news story that is reported the same way is KM interview.

About Kate's report, it looks as if the entire British media had access to the interview she did, and each individual newspaper decided how much to use for an article. Nobody asked her the hard questions like why she didn't take the children to the creche service at night or hire a babysitter when they went out to dinner or how they could be so stupid as to believe leaving their children wasn't neglect. I have never seen an American news organization go on and on in such an emotional fashion, fawning over someone like that. It's just sickening.

I really don't know what to make of the Portuguese media. They appear to be a whole lot smarter than the newspapers in the UK. I've heard that tourism this summer is down 10% because of Madeleine's disappearance, and I think the Portuguese citizens are blaming her parents for it. With everyone in the UK treating the PJ like country hicks and putting the country in a bad light, I can't say I blame them (Portugal).

The more I read, the less I believe that RM is responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. I think he was conveniently present and helpful when the McCanns and their friends needed someone to blame, and he didn't realize his actions were suspicious. Maybe he has a tie-in that even he isn't aware of, but I think once all the evidence is in, the PJ are going to have to let him go.

One thing I don't understand is why LE didn't do any kind of forensic testing on the apartment right away. I read in another forum that Scotland Yard offered the sniffer dogs within in few days of Madeleine's disappearance, and Portugal said no. But didn't they have use of the blood scanners and other forensic tools? Or were they so taken in by the McCann's insistence that she had been kidnapped that they overlooked the obvious?

If the blood from the apartment is Madeleine's, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned. I'm willing to consider that her parents may have accidentally killed her with an overdose or she had an accident that they tried to cover up. Or maybe GM has a bad temper and hit Madeleine, killing her. But to murder their daughter in cold blood? Uh-uh! I just don't see it.

But the alternative doesn't make sense either. Why would a kidnapper or pedophile go into the McCann apartment, kill Madeleine, leave her there for two or more hours and then carry off her body? Wouldn't they be afraid of the parents returning to check on the kids? Or even if they never checked them, someone might have forgotten something.

 

[Elphaba]

Jumping right in before I head to the train (off to NYC to meet my daughter... she's been away for the summer... missing her bunches). I highly suggest if there are any WS'rs that can translate audio from Portugal to pull up one of their online radio stations and see if there are any reports about officials there ruling out kidnapping and focusing more towards it being murder or accidental death. I saw this on a different forum... don't know how true it is, but the person that heard it was questioning why the British media was not reporting it (not kidnapping, but murder or accidental death). It could just be speculation, or it could be what is really going on... not sure.

Praying that this is all not true... that little Maddie is safe somewhere and her parents are not involved.

 

[curves]

Kate gave a big interview in the News of the World over here in the UK on Sunday. A couple of things really stood out to, the most important being that TWICE she spoke of Madelaine in the past tense.

1. Talking about a locket Kate wears with Madelaine's photo in it "she WAS our tower of strength..."

2. On carrying around Madelaine's favourite toy "it WAS special to her so now it's special to me..."

Now if that was a husband whose wife had gone missing speaking, there would be major alarm bells if he spoke in the past tense. The newspaper didn't say anything about it though?

Kate also said she had had so many letters of support from other mothers and doing this interview on her own was her way of saying thank you. Eh?

Lastly she talked about how all of the family was at a Christening recently and Amelie asked where Madelaine was and said she's missed her big sister. Kate said "it's days like that where I'll be doing ok and then something grabs me at the throat".

Now I so clearly remember Sharon Rocha who 3 months after Laci went missing, was certainly not 'doing ok'. I can't think of one other set of parents who were 'doing ok' so soon after their child was abducted.

Oh, one more thing. She said that it's really hard for her and sometimes she thinks about what Madelaine is going through but she doesn't really allow herself to think about what might be happening to her. I haven't explained that very well but the jist of it is was that she sort implied she doesn't worry too much about what is happening to Madelaine (and then she gave a lame reason which apologies, but I cna't remember)which I thought was bizarre. Wouldn't the images of what someone could be doing to her, just be playing over and over in your head and making you go insane? Not that I would wish for any parent to go through that, but still.... the whole interview was pathetic and the papers kid gloves attitude was laughable.

 

[Squishified]

What other children?

I doubt a two year old would comprehend and be able to relate that their older sister was hurt or drugged. I have a two year old. Our dog died over three weeks ago and he's still asking where he is.

Hi, Beth,
I'm so sorry about your dog. :blowkiss:

 

[CarpeDiem]

This link says it's Maddie's blood. Shocking how the investigation is turning. I wonder how long the McCann's want to stay in Portugal now??

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=60254&in_page_id=34

 

[Squishified]

This link says it's Maddie's blood. Shocking how the investigation is turning. I wonder how long the McCann's want to stay in Portugal now??

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=60254&in_page_id=34

Poor Maddie.
I really hope we get some answers now.

 

[ceeaura]

Exclusive declarations to the SUN
Murat goes to process Been Portuguese
For Felícia Cabrita*
Robert Murat goes to leave of being arguido in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine. In exclusive declarations to the SUN, the lawyer of the luso-British guaranteed that its customer goes “to ask for a indemnização to the Portuguese State for the actual damages”
>> PJ investigates friends of Murat
>> PJ investigates park of parking in Portimão

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Robert Murat goes to be ilibado in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Source next to the inquiry guaranteed to the SUN that the luso-British goes to leave of being arguido and that, in a few days, the Judiciary Policy will have to emit an official notice, explaining the reasons that had led to this decision.
At this moment, the GNR of Portimão is still to analyze the cars of Robert Murat and its mother, to move away from time the hypothesis of any envolvement of this luso-British in the case. All the diligências so far made - and folloied in the place for the SUN - had contributed to move away the suspicion that fall again on the translator.
To the SUN, Robert Murat confessed to be very shaken with the situation and fondness that the inquiry finishes fast: “When everything this to finish, the first thing that I go to make is to go England, to be with my son, who although to be still very small she was extremely shaken with the situation”.
Francisco Pagarete, lawyer of Murat, declared exactly that its customer intends to be repaid by the form as she was reached by the case. “Obviously, I go to ask for a indemnização to the Portuguese State for the actual damages”, explained to the SUN.
Murat is convinced of that it was implied in the alleged abduction of the English girl for the English journalists: “I do not know as I saw me involved in the case, but I have the certainty of that they had been the English periodicals to put me in this”.
In the efectuadas searches - in the garden of the housing of Murat - and sunday in the interior of the House Liliana, the Portuguese and British agents had Saturday looked for, with the aid of trained dogs, any indication of the presence of Maddie, without success.
Yesterday, the policy exactly appealed the devices of detention of false walls, after having raised covers it of fossa of the house, to look the body of the girl, with the aid of a chamber to film.
Although the used ways, were not found any vestige or track related with Madeliene McCann.
The Judiciary Policy is centered, now, in the McCann and the group that with them vacation in the Beach of the Light passed.
As the SUN it notified, the counted contradictory versions for the English to the policy are to be analyzed by the investigators.
The hypothesis, initially placed, of Madeleine to have been victim of an accident, seems to be now to be discarded for the Portuguese authorities.
The fact of a dog to have detected vestiges of blood in the room of Kate and Gerry means, what the SUN selected, that the child will have remained in the apartment the two four hours after having died - since the used dogs for the British policy only farejam the corpse blood, if these will be at least two hours in the place.







google translated from this link:

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=49176



So this is saying he will be cleared of his arguido status?And will be sueing the Portuguese gov't for damages?

Just trying to make sure I am understanding this.

 

[colomom]

Here is a very good translation of the Sol article on Robert Murat. He will be cleared (not quite yet) in a few days and the police will issue a statement. I think it's a done deal basically. I know of ALOT of people (though not on this forum) that owe him a HUGE apology.

Now the focus will shift and the heat turned up....

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Exclusive statement to Sol
Murat is going to sue the Portuguese State

by Felicia Cabrita

''Robert Murat is going to stop being an arguido in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine. In an exclusive statement to Sol, the anglo-portuguese man’s lawyer guaranteed that his client is going to “ask the Portuguese State for a compensation for the damages that were cause”

Robert Murat is going to be declared not guilty in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. A source close to the investigation guaranteed to Sol that the anglo-portuguese man is going to stop being an arguido, and that in a few days the Policia Judiciaria will release a statement, explaining the reasons for their decision.

At this moment, the GNR in Portimao is still analysing Robert Murat’s and his mother’s cars, in order to definitely clear this anglo-british man from any involvement in this case. All the diligences that were made until now – and which were followed by Sol on location – contributed to dismiss the suspicions that were cast on the translator.

To Sol, Robert Murat confessed he was very shaken with the situation, and that he wanted the investigation to end soon. “When all this is over, the first thing I’m going to do is travel to England to see my daughter, who has been extremely shaken with the situation, although she is still very small”.

Francisco Pagarete, Murat’s lawyer, even declared that his client wants to be compensated for the way he was hit by the case. “Obviously, I’m going to ask the Portuguese State for compensation over the damages that this caused”, he explained to Sol.

Murat is convinced he was involved in the alleged kidnapping of the english girl, by english journalists: “I don’t know how I got involved in the case, but I am certain it was the english newspapers that got me into this”.

During the searches that were done on Saturday – in the garden of Murat’s villa – and Sunday inside Casa Liliana, the portuguese and british agents, with the help of trained dogs, searched for any clues of Maddie’s presence, without success.

Yesterday, the police even used equipment to detect false walls, after having lifted the lid to the house’s sanitary pit to look for the girl’s body, with the help of a video camera.

In spite of the equipment that was used, no traces or clues connected to Madeleine McCann were found.

Policia Judiciaria is now focused on the McCanns and the group that was spending their holidays with them in Praia da Luz.

Just like Sol reported, the contradictory versions that were told by the english persons to the police are being analysed by the investigators.

The possibility that Madeleine was the victim of an accident, which was initially considered, seems to be discarded by the police authorities now.

The fact that a dog detected blood traces in the bedroom of Kate and Gerry indicates, as Sol could discover, that the child remained in the apartment for 2 to 4 hours after dying – given the fact that the dogs that are used by british police only smell the blood of corpses, if these remained on location for at least 2 hours.''

I think it isn't official but he seems pretty certain. His mother took one of the cars in today so I think this and the other car will need to be checked first

 

[colomom]

This link says it's Maddie's blood. Shocking how the investigation is turning. I wonder how long the McCann's want to stay in Portugal now??

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=60254&in_page_id=34

Not quite yet:

"The investigators are convinced that the blood belongs to Madeleine, but they are still holding back the detailed results of the tests until their suspicions are confirmed."

I believe they must do some more extensive DNA testing to be sure but, what does your gut tell you?

Re: "I wonder how long the McCann's want to stay in Portugal now??"

I would bet money they have no choice at this time.

It is a sad, sad day....

 

[BethInAK]

Or she could've lain in the apartment for several hours while her parents and their friends tried to figure out what to do with her and how to make it look as if she'd been abducted.

And you might not notice if your child went from sleeping to comatose really - unless you were looking carefully.

 

[BethInAK]

If the blood from the apartment is Madeleine's, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned. I'm willing to consider that her parents may have accidentally killed her with an overdose or she had an accident that they tried to cover up. Or maybe GM has a bad temper and hit Madeleine, killing her. But to murder their daughter in cold blood? Uh-uh! I just don't see it.

I don't think ANYONE here thinks that Madeleine was deliberately murdered. The only theories I've seen that involve culpability on the parents part is accidental death.

 

[englishleigh]

BELOW IS MY HUMBLE OPINION, NOTHING MORE



OMG, you guys...I'm freaking here.

Seems that we may have been right all along. Something happened to that baby in that apartment. Not only is that a very real possibility, but the parents have been maintaining all along that she was abducted and taking money from people all over the world to aid in a "search"...and they may POSSIBLY have known ALL ALONG she was dead and where her body is. OMG!!!!!!

Poor little Madeleine...God rest her. WHERE IS SHE?????

Bawling here and soooooooo angry...

IF her blood is on the wall, I'd say the overdose theory was a gentle one. IF it was a true accident without any parental involvement, like she fell & hit her head, why try to cover that up???

 

[CaliKid]

The way I understand it, Portugal's top prosecutor told the PJ to either clear Murat or charge him, and that's why they did the thorough searching of Casa Liliana over the weekend. Even with scanning radar, nothing conclusive was found. They are going over the cars and took soil samples which still need to be tested, after which (providing nothing shows up) Murat will be released from his arguido status. Not only should he receive compensation from the government, but I also think he should sue the three McCann friends who fingered him by claiming he was peeking into the apartments.

I'd like to know how big this bloodstain was. Drops? Splatter? The article I posted is really interesting. I know LE can distinguish different types of crimes by checking blood patterns. You can tell, for instance, if someone died as the result of a murder. But how can they tell that her death was an accident and not murder?

I think we're going to see a dramatic change in the whole investigation by the end of the week. If the bloodstain on the wall was fairly big, don't be surprised if the PJ finally demands that the McCanns submit themselves to being separated and severely questioned. Because IMO there is no way Madeleine's death could be caused by an outside suspect.

 

[BethInAK]

I think we're going to see a dramatic change in the whole investigation by the end of the week. If the bloodstain on the wall was fairly big, don't be surprised if the PJ finally demands that the McCanns submit themselves to being separated and severely questioned. Because IMO there is no way Madeleine's death could be caused by an outside suspect.

Let me play devils advocate here. You all know I'm not a McCann fan, but I'm not sure that this is evidence of their guilt.

I'm not sure that bloodstains mean that the McCanns are guilty of anything - isnt' it possible that Madeleine fought off a kidnapper and became injured during the struggle? And her blood got on the wall. And this is what Kate meant by saying that she was sure that Madeleine had been kidnapped by how the apartment had been left.

I mean, if I saw blood all over the wall and Monk was missing, I'd think the same thing.

 

[colomom]

I am afraid to post anything right now, I think we need to exercise caution. I was over on the Mirror forum and they are immediately deleting threads that are accusatory of the McCanns. The Mirror has normally been very open-minded. Let's all use "In my humble opinion", alot.

English,

Consider, accident but with blood, say bloody nose, then unconsiousness. Frantice attempt at resuscitation, shaking, slapping face....blood splatters on the wall (IMHO of course).

Enough for now, I am sending you a huge hug because I feel your pain.

Hang in there everyone, let's see how this all plays out.

 

[colomom]

Let me play devils advocate here. You all know I'm not a McCann fan, but I'm not sure that this is evidence of their guilt.

I'm not sure that bloodstains mean that the McCanns are guilty of anything - isnt' it possible that Madeleine fought off a kidnapper and became injured during the struggle? And her blood got on the wall. And this is what Kate meant by saying that she was sure that Madeleine had been kidnapped by how the apartment had been left.

I mean, if I saw blood all over the wall and Monk was missing, I'd think the same thing.

Then why try to clean it up? If an intruder was suspected it would be brought to the attention of the police, no?