And as far as "framing Kate" for the crime, given the publicity about this case, it isn't going to happen. If it turns out that the McCanns are responsible for Madeleine's death the Portuguese prosecuters are going to be absolutely sure that their i's are dotted and t's are crossed. This will be the first Crime of the New Century.
Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9
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THis is an interesting article... It brings up that the DNA on the straw could have been left by the guy that with the child taking the last drink... And also a interesting comment on the McCann's at the police statin today.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1279183,00.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1279183,00.html
Well, he was alone when he was questioned...anything he said could then be compared to things that his wife might say at some later interview. She would not be able to know for sure how he had answered some of the minor questions about that evening...Did you take a shower, did Kate, were the kids bathed before bedtime, did they all three fall asleep at the same time, or did Madeleine stay up later, etc... Apparently discrepancies in the stories of family and friends have been of interest to PJ from the beginning. And 13 hours of questioning? It is starting to sound as though PJ's techniques are rather like those of competent detectives everywhere...ask questions of those who were closest to the victim...
From the above article, this part was interesting:
For most of the past three months GM has insisted that all talks with police took place at the British Consulate. Now you have to wonder why he'd want that if he wasn't guilty.
For most of the past three months GM has insisted that all talks with police took place at the British Consulate. Now you have to wonder why he'd want that if he wasn't guilty.
Hey, he's met with the Pope and with AG Gonzales, of course he wants to talk in the consulate rather than the police station! Guilty or innocent, I would prefer to rely on my homies if I had been involved in an incident overseas- issues of translating, transcribing, witnesses, etc. But what made this conversation different, you'd have to wonder?
SOL, 8 August 2007:
http://tinyurl.com/3c32xz
Most recent searches are the result of conversations with people close (well-known) to the child
The latest searches performed by the police in the Madeleine McCann case are the result of conversations with people close to the child and point to the search for a cadaver
"The latest work [collection of blood samples in the apartment, careful searches of cars and in the sea] indicate that the police are looking for a body", said the source, repeating that the hypothesis the child may still be found alive has not been completely set aside.
The same source added that the police "have never accused the McCann couple of anything" but that, in a case like this, "until everything is clear everyone is a suspect", commenting on the declarations in the British press that Gerry and Kate are "indignant" with the hypothesis raised about their involvement.
The investigator also revealed that the searches on the ocean -- made in the last few days -- were suspended today, however no reason was given.
As for the criticism made in the British press about the PJ methods, the source points out that "a working group was created of Portuguese and British police and everything has been decided together, in spite of the fact that command (of the investigation) actually belongs to the Police police."
"There are multiple daily meetings of the working group. Everything has been decided together by the police of both countries. An example of this was the arrival of the two British dogs," he stated.
Madeleline, 4, disappeared the night of 3 May ... (recap)
Lusa/SOL
http://tinyurl.com/3c32xz
Most recent searches are the result of conversations with people close (well-known) to the child
The latest searches performed by the police in the Madeleine McCann case are the result of conversations with people close to the child and point to the search for a cadaver
"The latest work [collection of blood samples in the apartment, careful searches of cars and in the sea] indicate that the police are looking for a body", said the source, repeating that the hypothesis the child may still be found alive has not been completely set aside.
The same source added that the police "have never accused the McCann couple of anything" but that, in a case like this, "until everything is clear everyone is a suspect", commenting on the declarations in the British press that Gerry and Kate are "indignant" with the hypothesis raised about their involvement.
The investigator also revealed that the searches on the ocean -- made in the last few days -- were suspended today, however no reason was given.
As for the criticism made in the British press about the PJ methods, the source points out that "a working group was created of Portuguese and British police and everything has been decided together, in spite of the fact that command (of the investigation) actually belongs to the Police police."
"There are multiple daily meetings of the working group. Everything has been decided together by the police of both countries. An example of this was the arrival of the two British dogs," he stated.
Madeleline, 4, disappeared the night of 3 May ... (recap)
Lusa/SOL
And after seeing that photo of the missing girl's mother who was interrogated by the PJ, I would rather be anywhere else than in their interrogation room.
You are EXACTLY right, LE is LE, no matter where in the world, and they are trained to be clever and very manipulative.
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Here's a thought, what if the DNA was from a little boy? Can you tell if DNA is from and adult or a child? Or just male?
Perhaps the child was a boy with long blond hair...
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Colomom I read 'somewhere'.. (been all over today so who knows where).. that they were not ruling that little girl out because the guy with her could have been the one that took the last drink from the straw and not the girl that the lady was "100%" sure it was her...
I don't think DNA can be determined to be a child or an adult... but I am no CSI...
I don't think DNA can be determined to be a child or an adult... but I am no CSI...
And I'm not sure if you could distinguish one set of DNA from another if it's saliva on top of saliva. Sounds kind of gross, but you know what I mean.
It would take the coldest of cold parents to dump the body of their child in the ocean.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8144
Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police,
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police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were
interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.
This three hour window is interesting. Kids in bed at 6pm, alarm raised at 10pm. That's four hours, so it would seem to eliminate anyone but the McCanns performing visual checks on their kids---anyone who was a checker must have only listened, and only Gerry and Kate say they saw her at all after 6 o'clock. I think Gerry was the one to look in at about 905 or so. None of the others have apparently said, yes, I saw her after high tea. There is a very long window of opportunity there. But it was broad daylight until some time around 9pm (sunset at 830). How light would it have been when the child-carrying man was seen by the late-arriving friend? And anyone who removed Madeleine must have done it in the daylight or else in the few dark minutes available after 9pm. Gerry's alibi for that period is well-established by the lady he invited to sit with them--(think she was the yoga teacher or something)--but what of any other of the friends...I think the critical minutes for determining who might be involved are to be found in the few minutes between nautical twilight (930) and the rising almost-full moon. Perhaps the resort staff who said that no one left the table is inadvertently giving an alibi to everyone except the McCanns ---and Russell O'Brien.
The bolded...''separately''...so they were split up for interviewing early on- and were questioned for many hours until the wee smalls...
Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police,
...
police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were
interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.
This three hour window is interesting. Kids in bed at 6pm, alarm raised at 10pm. That's four hours, so it would seem to eliminate anyone but the McCanns performing visual checks on their kids---anyone who was a checker must have only listened, and only Gerry and Kate say they saw her at all after 6 o'clock. I think Gerry was the one to look in at about 905 or so. None of the others have apparently said, yes, I saw her after high tea. There is a very long window of opportunity there. But it was broad daylight until some time around 9pm (sunset at 830). How light would it have been when the child-carrying man was seen by the late-arriving friend? And anyone who removed Madeleine must have done it in the daylight or else in the few dark minutes available after 9pm. Gerry's alibi for that period is well-established by the lady he invited to sit with them--(think she was the yoga teacher or something)--but what of any other of the friends...I think the critical minutes for determining who might be involved are to be found in the few minutes between nautical twilight (930) and the rising almost-full moon. Perhaps the resort staff who said that no one left the table is inadvertently giving an alibi to everyone except the McCanns ---and Russell O'Brien.
The bolded...''separately''...so they were split up for interviewing early on- and were questioned for many hours until the wee smalls...
You're right Jdee. I can't believe I forgot about Laci and Conner.
From the Enfants Kidnappés site, here is some conflicting news about the blood.
http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...die/maddie.html&;langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...die/maddie.html&;langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Hi everyone, things are not looking good for Madelaine or her parents, have to read a bit more to catch up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/08/wmaddy408.xml
...Rachael Oldfield, who was with her husband and their one-year-old girl in Praia da Luz, has now broken her silence, branding the allegations as "very hurtful and rather ludicrous".
..., The others dining on May 3 were the McCanns, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, David and Fiona Payne and another person who has not been named, but is thought to be the mother of one of those present.
According to police statements leaked to Spanish magazine, Sol, Mr McCann checked the children at 9.05pm.
His friend Jane Tanner said that ten minutes after he returned to the table, it was her turn to check the rooms.
A few minutes later Dr Oldfield checked, entering the room and seeing the McCann children asleep.
An aerobics teacher from the resort who joined the table at 9.30pm said there was a vacant seat.
Now, if Jane Tanner saw the child being carried at about 9:15, 9:20, it couldn't have been Madeleine, because Dr. Oldfield saw the kids at about 9:30. So someone did see Madeleine between the time one of her parents saw her- 905, and before Madeleine was reported missing.
Assuming times are approximately right, then the window of opportunity for the "abduction" was only half an hour. The Irish ex-pat who saw a child-carrying man walking toward the beach saw him shortly after 10PM.
So, if Tanner and the ex-pat are both telling the truth, there were two kids being carried that evening. The one Tanner said she saw couldn't have been Madeleine if Dr Oldfield is telling the truth.
The aerobics teacher says there was a vacant seat-( but didn't we hear it Dr. O'Brien who was missing that evening,so there should have been two empty seats...probably meaningless, as she wouldn't have known how many people should have been there...)
And the 9th person may have been somebody's mother, so that's one small issue resolved.
...Rachael Oldfield, who was with her husband and their one-year-old girl in Praia da Luz, has now broken her silence, branding the allegations as "very hurtful and rather ludicrous".
..., The others dining on May 3 were the McCanns, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, David and Fiona Payne and another person who has not been named, but is thought to be the mother of one of those present.
According to police statements leaked to Spanish magazine, Sol, Mr McCann checked the children at 9.05pm.
His friend Jane Tanner said that ten minutes after he returned to the table, it was her turn to check the rooms.
A few minutes later Dr Oldfield checked, entering the room and seeing the McCann children asleep.
An aerobics teacher from the resort who joined the table at 9.30pm said there was a vacant seat.
Now, if Jane Tanner saw the child being carried at about 9:15, 9:20, it couldn't have been Madeleine, because Dr. Oldfield saw the kids at about 9:30. So someone did see Madeleine between the time one of her parents saw her- 905, and before Madeleine was reported missing.
Assuming times are approximately right, then the window of opportunity for the "abduction" was only half an hour. The Irish ex-pat who saw a child-carrying man walking toward the beach saw him shortly after 10PM.
So, if Tanner and the ex-pat are both telling the truth, there were two kids being carried that evening. The one Tanner said she saw couldn't have been Madeleine if Dr Oldfield is telling the truth.
The aerobics teacher says there was a vacant seat-( but didn't we hear it Dr. O'Brien who was missing that evening,so there should have been two empty seats...probably meaningless, as she wouldn't have known how many people should have been there...)
And the 9th person may have been somebody's mother, so that's one small issue resolved.
BLOOD
It is known now that the blood found in the apartment of McCann is not that of Maddie. It was about the blood of a British tourist who had rented the same apartment and which had been cut accidentally. It would seem that this information have been known PJ for several days.
Anybody else feel like your brain is going to explode?!?!
Morning Shazza!
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