Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9

[Reannan]

Colomom, GREAT hypothesis of the horrible events of that night...if the McCann's were involved. CaliKid, I think you have put almost three months worth of investigation into a very succinct and accurate summary of the unanswered questions. The biggest problem with everything thus far, is the TIME involved. Kidnapping of a strangers beautiful child in the middle of a busy resort, and covering up the accidental or intentional murder of a child by family or friends takes TIME. I guess I am settling into the camp of one of the following scenarios (not necessarily listed here in any priority):

1. A total stranger took Madeleine. If this happened, they had to whisk in, apparently harm her (per dog sniffing evidence), and whisk her away. They had about what......45 minutes to do this? But then, you have Jane Tanner seeing someone, who Jeremy Wilkins should have also seen, but didn't.

2. The parents killed her. How on earth, did they just then go to dinner and begin the elaborate story that has been going on for almost three months? Unbelievable!

3. One of the McCann party nutted up...probably in a drunken state, and killed her. This actually makes some sense. It would explain the other people's stories in an effort to cover for their friend or relative. The only reason I can think of for the McCann's covering this would be their fear of loosing their other two children. Perhaps, they fear that if the truth of the nature of their vacation were known, the twins would be removed from the home. Perhaps, not an unfounded fear.

I have many other questions, but I can't do any more tonight. How about you guys? What questions are keeping you awake at night? I am obsessed with this case. I want Madeleine to come home. If she can't I want justice, and I want to freaking KNOW what happened!!!!!:banghead:

 

[CaliKid]

Scratch #6 Cali..the man in the hospital was shot by the perp (because he came upon the crime scene?) and the perp killed himself later. Evidence was found that the perp had contact with the baby girl Ylenia...grrrrrrr.

Connection...the perp (dead) was in the "Algarve" (not necessarily in PDL) at the time Maddie went missing...

the wild geese fly...but where is Ylenia???

Yes, I know. But there was speculation that one of the two men was in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared. It's worth looking into, especially if it turns out Maddie's parents are not responsible and she was kidnapped.

 

[Reannan]

Colomom, you write a KICK AZZ story!

 

[CaliKid]

Colomom, GREAT hypothesis of the horrible events of that night...if the McCann's were involved. CaliKid, I think you have put almost three months worth of investigation into a very succinct and accurate summary of the unanswered questions. The biggest problem with everything thus far, is the TIME involved. Kidnapping of a strangers beautiful child in the middle of a busy resort, and covering up the accidental or intentional murder of a child by family or friends takes TIME. I guess I am settling into the camp of one of the following scenarios (not necessarily listed here in any priority):

1. A total stranger took Madeleine. If this happened, they had to whisk in, apparently harm her (per dog sniffing evidence), and whisk her away. They had about what......45 minutes to do this? But then, you have Jane Tanner seeing someone, who Jeremy Wilkins should have also seen, but didn't.

2. The parents killed her. How on earth, did they just then go to dinner and begin the elaborate story that has been going on for almost three months? Unbelievable!

3. One of the McCann party nutted up...probably in a drunken state, and killed her. This actually makes some sense. It would explain the other people's stories in an effort to cover for their friend or relative. The only reason I can think of for the McCann's covering this would be their fear of loosing their other two children. Perhaps, they fear that if the truth of the nature of their vacation were known, the twins would be removed from the home. Perhaps, not an unfounded fear.

I have many other questions, but I can't do any more tonight. How about you guys? What questions are keeping you awake at night? I am obsessed with this case. I want Madeleine to come home. If she can't I want justice, and I want to freaking KNOW what happened!!!!!:banghead:

1. According to the PJ, Madeleine's body was in the apartment for at least two hours after she died.

2. They must be some great actors to have carried that off, which is why I wonder if only GM knew ahead of time and not Kate. It's easy to pass sincere sorrow (of accidentally killing your child) off as grief over her "kidnapping". And with the way the media team was put together, the McCanns have been fairly well insulated ever since.

3. Hmmm, do you think it might be possible for a family friend to have checked on the kids and Madeleine needed to use the toilet? Maybe someone was tipsy and fell on her. It sounds crazy, even to me, but I'm grasping at straws here.

And yes, colomom, you write a super story!

 

[Shazza]

1. According to the PJ, Madeleine's body was in the apartment for at least two hours after she died.

2. They must be some great actors to have carried that off, which is why I wonder if only GM knew ahead of time and not Kate. It's easy to pass sincere sorrow (of accidentally killing your child) off as grief over her "kidnapping". And with the way the media team was put together, the McCanns have been fairly well insulated ever since.

3. Hmmm, do you think it might be possible for a family friend to have checked on the kids and Madeleine needed to use the toilet? Maybe someone was tipsy and fell on her. It sounds crazy, even to me, but I'm grasping at straws here.

And yes, colomom, you write a super story!

CaliKid, Colomom and Reannan, YOU ALL ROCK, you put into words what Im thinking, anything is possible with this case, hope the LE have good sleuths like you guys here on WS.

 

[Reannan]

Sazza, you better include youself in that group! One of the greatest frustrations with this case has been the lack of information. I actually think the Portugese LE has done a fairly good job with this case....considering that they were immediately dealing with an international event with individuals who were very connected, and could easily fit the role of either victim or suspect. I am disappointed that they didn't find the blood evidence within the first day or so, but not particualry surprised given the circumstances. I think if nothing else comes from this case, we need an international version of the Amber Alert system, and Portugal needs to revisit the validity of their "secrecy" laws. With the advent of the internet.....it is just ridiculous.

 

[CaliKid]

I think the Portuguese LE has done a fantastic job considering the pressure that the British government put on them to get this crime solved.

 

[colomom]

1. According to the PJ, Madeleine's body was in the apartment for at least two hours after she died.

2. They must be some great actors to have carried that off, which is why I wonder if only GM knew ahead of time and not Kate. It's easy to pass sincere sorrow (of accidentally killing your child) off as grief over her "kidnapping". And with the way the media team was put together, the McCanns have been fairly well insulated ever since.

3. Hmmm, do you think it might be possible for a family friend to have checked on the kids and Madeleine needed to use the toilet? Maybe someone was tipsy and fell on her. It sounds crazy, even to me, but I'm grasping at straws here.

And yes, colomom, you write a super story!

You all will keep me up all night....

MAYBE...the kids were picked up at about 5:00 from the creche, taken home for baths and bed, about 6:00 trying to get them to settle and sleep (hoping to meet friends at 7:30) kids are hyper, won't settle, frustration sets in....call is made to cancel babysitter. It is now 6:00 or so...

Lots of discussion...finally agreed that she should be hidden...say at 8:00...that allows 30 minutes to take her somewhere and return for dinner (I know that is tight but...)

It was reported that they arrived late at 8:30 to the tapas bar so we are talking an hour and a half of "acting"...possible.

Kate did look very distraught in those early interviews...guilt? Grieving her child accidently killed? But later, when the thought of a pedo ring...nothing. No horror, fear, suicide (that's what I would feel)...just calm..."amazing composure and stoic grace"....~cocked head~ hmmmmm...

#3..posssible but then why would GM and KM cover for some stupid drunk friend that accidentally killed their daughter...I wouldn't. No freaking way. Keep grasping because that magic straw is still out there...IMHO

Thanks you guys, about the "story" that was hard to write....

Cali you have a PM!

 

[Shazza]

Sazza, you better include youself in that group! One of the greatest frustrations with this case has been the lack of information. I actually think the Portugese LE has done a fairly good job with this case....considering that they were immediately dealing with an international event with individuals who were very connected, and could easily fit the role of either victim or suspect. I am disappointed that they didn't find the blood evidence within the first day or so, but not particualry surprised given the circumstances. I think if nothing else comes from this case, we need an international version of the Amber Alert system, and Portugal needs to revisit the validity of their "secrecy" laws. With the advent of the internet.....it is just ridiculous.

I agree that the Portugese LE have done a good job, and now the British LE are involved, it means looking through new eyes, which hopefully they could pick up something that wasnt before, but I really do think they know more than they are telling, and doing so as to not jeopardise the investigations. The blood in the apartment intrigues me, whereabouts on the walls was the blood found, was it in sight so you could see it or behind a cupboard, drawers or bed, I think where the blood is found could be a good clue as to how it got there and if it is Madelaines, and if it is a old stain from way back. What do you think.

 

[Reannan]

I think the blood was invisible to the naked eye, and was only found because the British dogs hit on it, and they used luminol and fluorescent black light to see it. It had been cleaned. Probably with clorox. That in itself tells a LOT!!!

 

[colomom]

I think the Portuguese LE has done a fantastic job considering the pressure that the British government put on them to get this crime solved.

:clap:

And they are very careful not to make accusations without solid evidence, thought they may have made "suggestions" to gauge reactions. That is, after all, what cops do...

 

[CaliKid]

I was going to say it could mean a lot, depending on how big the stain is. But then I got to thinking. You go on vacation and lets say someone has an accident involving a non-life-threatening amount of blood. More than likely it would be on the floor, not the wall. But lets just say for argument's sake it is on the wall. Are you going to use bleach to wash it off? Probably not. You'd clean it up well with detergent. Unless you're a doctor, maybe, and you know that an unsterilized might be a hazzard for someone. Ooops, I think I just talked myself out of the argument.

 

[colomom]

I agree that the Portugese LE have done a good job, and now the British LE are involved, it means looking through new eyes, which hopefully they could pick up something that wasnt before, but I really do think they know more than they are telling, and doing so as to not jeopardise the investigations. The blood in the apartment intrigues me, whereabouts on the walls was the blood found, was it in sight so you could see it or behind a cupboard, drawers or bed, I think where the blood is found could be a good clue as to how it got there and if it is Madelaines, and if it is a old stain from way back. What do you think.

Check you out Shazza...you sleuth you...I am very happy you did not go anywhere. I too, would like more details about the blood and the location. I think it would really tell alot about how it got there. Another piece of the puzzle yet to be placed...

I believe that the PJ has been diligent and have worked very hard. I believe that the British LE have helped with the more expensive methods of crime detection. They have worked together and the timetable is not as important as some people think (ie: "why didn't they find the blood on day one??") As long as the perp is still around, they can take their time and make sure they have got it right!

 

[CaliKid]

I just checked out the Formadeleine boards, and I swear the people in there must go around with blinders on. I know they have good hearts and want to find Madeleine as much as we do, but it's frustrating to listen to "oh the McCanns can't have hurt their daughter".

 

[Shazza]

I just checked out the Formadeleine boards, and I swear the people in there must go around with blinders on. I know they have good hearts and want to find Madeleine as much as we do, but it's frustrating to listen to "oh the McCanns can't have hurt their daughter".

It like hitting your head against a brick wall when people dont keep their minds open to other possibilities.

 

[CaliKid]

Some interesting reading for us to start our new day:

The First Post, article titled "The hypocrisy of our concern for ‘Maddie’"
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=6921

Belfast Telegraph, article titled "Can Eddie Find Maddie"
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2844015.ece

There's more, but most are just replays of the information we already have.

 

[petra]

Swedish radio news just reporting that the Belgium press are saying that the DNA taken in Benelux area at restaurant -straw and bottle-from possible Madeleine sighting is NO MATCH.

Will try to find some link to a printed article.

 

[Shazza]

Swedish radio news just reporting that the Belgium press are saying that the DNA taken in Benelux area at restaurant -straw and bottle-from possible Madeleine sighting is NO MATCH.

Will try to find some link to a printed article.

Another hope dashed.

 

[CaliKid]

That is so sad. Despite reports in Portugal, I was so hoping it would be her.

 

[petra]

Another hope dashed.

That is so sad. Despite reports in Portugal, I was so hoping it would be her.

Belgian national newspaper-
http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/det/art_547539.html?wt.bron=homeArt4

also Dutch telegraph reporting same thing

Nothing in PT or UK yet.

Still hoping for a miracle!!