Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9

[SewingDeb]

I somehow missed that the keyhole in her eye is not really there. When was this discovered?

 

[Jdee]

I somehow missed that the keyhole in her eye is not really there. When was this discovered?

I read it in another forum Ded that pictures were blown up of her and that it looked enhanced and that on her passport it is not mentioned other than her having different color eyes. Here is a snippit in part of what I read...

"people have blown the photos up to reveal what very much looks like lipstick, eyeliner, mascara, etc. In another thread, someone posted what must have been information from Madeleine's passport, I think, where it mentioned a 'dark' or 'brown' spot in the iris in one eye, and with the two eyes being various shades of blue through green...."And it's been noted online that the retouched 7 o'clock dark segment is a startling echo of the Pinkerton's Government Services logo for example."

To read the whole post go to the mirror forum http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=31and read the thread about Madeleine's Behavior.. and on the second page posted by P20 about 5th down I think...

 

[mjak]

Just popped back to see if anyone had constructed a sensible plan of who was where and how and why.... and how the alibis matched up as I already read the Daily Mail.

I was hopeful of something relevant but I see that the site is full of somebody's daughter's car-crash (Why is this relevant? would it not be better placed on personal messages instead of Websleuths?).

The question is: Has anyone seen a time line construction of where people were stated as being on a map at the time of the abduction?[/quote]

Mrsmousemat, I have been apreciative of your contributions on this forum. Your posts have been very thought provoking and challenging to me. I did respond to a post of yours but you did not respond back. The community of websleuths is one that I have come to greatly respect. I have met some of the kindest, generous, intelligent and challenging people here. One of the most wonderful things I have found here is an incredible amount of care for fellow posters. Even between squabbels and headbashing I have seen a comadarie and respect that I have found unique and inspiring. It is my pleasure and blessing to be part of a community where people do care for one another. Anytime a fellow member is in need of support, venting or reassurance I welcome the opportunity to be a "friend" to them. There are other forums out in cybersapce that are much more cut throught and to the core and prehaps that is an environment more to your comfort level. However, I love and appreciate all that Websleuths is and I don't ever want someone I am engaging in a form with to feel if they suddenly find themselves in need then can not share that. I only hope that all the words of care brought comfort to shaza in her time of need.

mjak

 

[CaliKid]

Translated from here: http://sic.sapo.pt/online/noticias/pais/20070810-McCann+admitem+todos+os+cenarios.htm

In interview this morning to the SIC, the McCanns admitted that the case is back to the "ground zero" but also said they understand the actions of the Portuguese police.

The interviews that the couple McCann granted to the three stations of Portuguese television (10 minutes for each) began about the 11:00. The SIC was the first of the three to interview them in a home in Lagos, away from their villa at the Beach of the Light.

Gerry guaranteed they do not believe for a second that any of the friends of the couple are involved in the disappearance of their daughter, and after more of three months in Praia da Luz the still don't believe this. Both affirmed that they have absolute confidence in the friends that accompanied them in that night, but said also understand that the police need to do their work thoroughly.

The interview carried out privately, arose after the Portuguese press insisted on a meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann, as request after three British televisions obtained interviews in exclusive.

The couple, though calm, answered all the questions briefly and admitted that the inquiries are hurtful but put the investigation back to the beginning.

 

[Shazza]

Thanks dear friends for your concerns and kind words in relation to my dd car accident, I was not looking for sympathy or trying to get off topic, I was just letting you know why I hadnt been online, and even in those posts I made about the accident I mentioned tidbits about Madelaine so as not to veer off the subject, it seems to me some people need to nit pick to get attention, if you have a sincere friendship most people do not mind making a passing comment that really has nothing to do with the topic in hand, we are talking to each other as if we feel a connection to these people, and I feel like I have a lot of friends here at WS.

The timeline requested by posters has been shown here numerous times, if you are truly interested in this case you would have seen it, to show concern to people is to show you care, and that belongs here as we all care about Madelaine. Posters who say they are not visiting this site anymore and then come back to nit pick about other posters posts are not on topic either.

Thanks again guys for all your well wishes, dd is a bit sorer today but that was what the doctor told us would happen yesterday when I took her.

 

[CaliKid]

Glad to hear she is recovering, Shazza.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

From the Daily Mail again. Maybe the blackout of the British press is slowly lifting.

Check this statement out: In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

 

[mjak]

Okay, I keep comming back here and checking and rechecking hoping for news. Dose anyone know when P LE were having that news briefing?

mjak

 

[Shazza]

Glad to hear she is recovering, Shazza.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

From the Daily Mail again. Maybe the blackout of the British press is slowly lifting.

Check this statement out: In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

She could have wandered off the night of her disappearance, and someone has picked her, due to all the media coverage been too scared to let anyone know, anything could have happened, we need to hear what information the LE have.

 

[colomom]

Glad to hear she is recovering, Shazza.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

From the Daily Mail again. Maybe the blackout of the British press is slowly lifting.

Check this statement out: In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

Ahhhhh, yes, Cali...great minds and all that....

I also read alot in this article, especially that part. First, how in the he!! did she get out to escape for 1/2 an hour?? I would never leave my doors open for the kiddos to run out nor would they be missing for 1/2 an hour...30 minutes...are you kidding me?? I can't even comprehend this...

Let's work on this...even though it is from a reporter, and we all know about how we feel about reporters in this case...what "feels" wrong in this article...to YOU??

 

[CarpeDiem]

and also:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/09/screensaver.kids/index.html

ANYTHING I can do to bring them home....that is what I will do!

I really hope this catches on. If major employers started requiring it on workplace computers and government agencies and libraries had it on theirs, imagine how many cases might be solved a lot quicker.

 

[colomom]

Okay, I keep comming back here and checking and rechecking hoping for news. Dose anyone know when P LE were having that news briefing?

mjak

No LE briefing today mjak, there was a reference to a "possible" news conference today and it turned out to be a reference to an old video...look back a couple of pages.

It was a quiet day in Portugal....the UK, on the other hand is starting to rumble....

Have a good night and weekend!

There is a warning on the Mirror boards that I should probably copy this....just in case...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Madeleine and the missing hour: how often did the McCanns check on their children?
As the hunt for Madeleine hits 100 days, emotions run high

By SUE REID - More by this author »
Last updated at 23:49pm on 10th August 2007

Sitting beside a swimming pool in the Algarve on that May evening Gerry and Kate McCann were enjoying themselves. The tapas bar of the Mark Warner holiday resort in Praia da Luz was buzzing with holidaymakers and it was quiz night.
The McCanns were favourites to win the contest organised by the resort's aerobics teacher Najova Chekaya. After all, the two doctors had brains on their side. Around their table were seven friends from England, three of them also doctors and one a top medical research fellow.
The group of nine were holidaying in Portugal and wanted to have a good time. As one of the doctors, Matthew Oldfield, was to recall: "We drank. So what! We were on holiday."
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Madeleine: Questions about her disappearance are growing
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• Why have the police gone so cool towards the McCanns?
• Madeleine's parents forced to take twins out of creche to avoid 'upsetting' holidaymakers
• Madeleine: Police launch hunt for mystery British man
• McCanns help launch new missing persons website
But 50 yards away on the other side of the swimming pool, the group's children were sleeping alone. In the bedroom of one ground floor apartment was Madeleine, the McCanns' three-year-old daughter.
Her twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, two, lay in cots either side of her. They had been tucked up at 7pm. Half an hour later the McCanns had joined their friends for dinner at the tapas bar.
What happened next has mystified the world.
At 10pm Kate McCann got up from the table to check on her children. She slipped in through the patio windows to find the twins safely asleep - and her daughter's bed empty.
In tears and calling out Madeleine's name, she ran back to her friends to tell them: "They've taken her, they've taken her."
Madeleine has not been seen in the 100 days since May 3. Last night Portuguese police said they were concentrating on what they call the "missing hour" before Mrs McCann found her daughter gone. They say it is possible that she was kidnapped after her father last checked her at 9.05pm and her mother's terrible discovery.
Meanwhile the campaign to keep the public aware of Madeleine's name goes on. It has involved her Roman Catholic parents visiting the Pope.
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Staying on: Gerry and Kate McCann in Praia da Luz
And, on the instructions of JK Rowling, posters of Madeleine were distributed at British bookshops as they opened for the sale of the new Harry Potter book.
This week the donations from the public to a Madeleine fund, financing the PR campaign and global search for the little girl from Rothley in Leicestershire, was nudging £1 million.
More than 50 million people visited the Find Madeleine website in the 48 hours after its launch.
Nothing like this has ever been seen before, and probably never will again.
The campaign has been organised by the McCanns, both 38. Today they believe their daughter is still alive and was abducted by a stranger. Whether the motive was paedophilia, the sale of Madeleine for adoption or even the trade of her organs, they have no idea. Nor do they speculate.
As Mr McCann wrote on his website the other day: "The Portuguese police have assured us on numerous occasions that they are looking for Madeleine and not a corpse."
Yet this week attitudes towards the McCanns underwent a seismic shift, the questions growing more aggressive by the day. The scenario of a small girl being kidnapped without warning on a spring holiday in a family friendly resort is now the subject of lurid debate - particularly in Portugal.
Disturbing questions are being asked about the behaviour of the McCanns and their friends.
The catalyst was the discovery this week, by British police with sniffer dogs, of specks of blood on a wall in the family's apartment.
The blood is now being analysed in this country, raising unpalatable speculation that Madeleine was killed where she slept and was then carried off to the beach or bundled into a car boot.
The reluctance of Gerry and Kate McCann or their friends to speak publicly, or in any detail, about the minutiae of the evening has fuelled the controversy, although they insist it is illegal in Portugal to comment on any police investigation.
In another uncomfortable development the Portuguese press, including the respected newspaper Dairio de Noticias, has claimed that interviews given by the McCann group to police contain discrepancies. Their stories and the timings of their movements on the night do not tally.
Furthermore, emails and phone messages sent between the group - and intercepted by the PolÌcia Judiciaria and British detectives helping the inquiry - are reported to contain conversations that contradict earlier statements.
But the spotlight is equally falling on the seemingly woeful response of the Policia Judiciaria. They only arrived two hours after the alarm was raised. A British expert on child abduction who visited the resort a few days later said it the worst preserved crime scene he had ever witnessed.
Twenty people - including resort workers and other holidaymakers - are believed to have entered the McCanns' apartment after the disappearance. The patio windows at the rear, and the closest point to the tapas bar, were touched by searchers.
The patio had been left open by the McCanns in case of fire and, it appears, so that they could easily check the children.
But what of Madeleine's bedroom? It was situated next to the apartment's front door which is around the corner and a further 30 yards on, next to a road into the resort and a busy carpark.
Notably the bedroom, completely out of the sight of the tapas bar, had heavy, metal window shutters. These were also contaminated in the search.
Even her bedtime toy Cuddle Cat - which is now carried by Mrs McCann - was not isolated for forensic analysis.
Local newspapers and television have criticised the McCann group, who left their children alone for two and a half hours as they wined and dined.
One question being asked is why didn't the parents put their children in the evening creche which is open until 11.30pm? Why didn't they hire a babysitter, bookable at the Mark Warner reception desk?
In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.
Whatever the truth, to begin to unravel the mystery one has to go back to the seemingly carefree days at the start of the holiday.
Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends are like-minded people, with children of similar ages. And they knew each other in the Midlands. Mr McCann is a consultant cardiologist at a Leicester's Glenfield Hospital and his wife is a GP.
Until recently Dr Oldfield worked at Leicester general hospital. David Payne is a senior research fellow in cardiovascular sciences at Leicester University and his wife, Fiona, is a doctor. Another of the holidaymakers, Dr Russell O'Brien, also worked at Leicester University before moving this summer.
Recently they all went to Mark Warner's in Greece where they had devised a plan of leaving their children to sleep while they had dinner nearby.
As Mr McCann explained: "The distance is so small, it was so close it was almost like having dinner in your garden. What we were doing was rigorous with multiple people checking at regular intervals."
When asked if Madeleine might have wandered out through the unlocked patio windows towards the swimming pool, or beyond to the beach, the McCanns dismiss it out of hand.
"We're absolutely certain. We double and treble-checked and have no doubt she was taken," said Mr McCann. Yet another scenario is now emerging in the local press. It is built on the recollections of other guests and workers at the resort.
The official story from the McCanns is this. Mr McCann said he checked on his three children at 9.05pm. He noticed that a door in the apartment which had been left shut was ajar.
He thought nothing of it but it may have indicated that a kidnapper was already there. But his daughter was fast asleep so he went back to the tapas bar.
Another of the group, Jane Tanner, says she took her turn 10 minutes later. She claimed later to police that she saw a dark-haired man of about 35 carrying a child as she walked back to the bar afterwards but thought nothing of it.
Soon after her return - at 9.45pm - Dr Oldfield did his round of the bedrooms. In a first statement to police, it is unclear if he actually went inside the McCann flat.
Indeed, one scenario is that many of the checks of the children were not visible, but involved listening at doors or even from outside the apartments.
However, in a second statement Dr Oldfield insists he did look in Madeleine's bedroom, believes he saw her there, and that there was light coming in through the windows as though the heavy shutters had been opened.
Again, he thought little of it until afterwards. Then, of course, it was Mrs McCann's turn. She found Madeleine gone.
Madeleine's aunt Trish Cameron recalled that she received a call later that night from her younger brother, Mr McCann, who told her: "I went back to check the children at nine o'clock. They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut."
Mrs Cameron related that when Mrs McCann went to the two apartment a little under an hour later: "The shutters had been jemmied open. They think someone must have come in the window and gone out of the front door with Madeleine."
But what is now perturbing Portuguese police is how could she be abducted when the McCann group were checking so often? Or have reports inadvertently exaggerated how vigilant the parents really were?
A worker at the tapas bar says that only a tall man, believed to be Russell O'Brien, got up from the table during the entire evening. Of course, this witness might be wrong. A busy barman could not have eyes on the McCann party for two and a half hours.
And what of Najova Chekaya, the aerobics teacher running the quiz? She was invited over to the McCann table by Mr McCann himself when the game ended at 9.30. She stayed for half an hour. She later claimed to friends that nobody left the table.
There is another conundrum too. It concerns the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying a child. He was wearing beige trousers and smart black shoes. Her report is taken seriously by police.
Yet a British holidaymaker, Jeremy Wilkins, has given a deposition that does not support her evidence. He knew Mr McCann because he played tennis with him, and was walking his eight-month-old son in the night air when the drama unfolded.
He says that he met Mr McCann, who had come out of his apartment at 9.05pm, and had a word with him. Soon after that Jane Tanner would have crossed paths with Mr Wilkins and his baby.
Mr Wilkins says he saw no man carrying a child or Jane Tanner herself. "It was a very narrow path and I think it would have been almost impossible for anyone to walk by without me noticing," he said.
So today the questions remain. Was Madeleine kidnapped or killed? Or unwatched, did she simply walk out and get lost? How could there be a break in with a jemmy through metal shutters without waking the twins or alerting a passerby?
Someone, somewhere must know the answers.

 

[Shazza]

Ahhhhh, yes, Cali...great minds and all that....

I also read alot in this article, especially that part. First, how in the he!! did she get out to escape for 1/2 an hour?? I would never leave my doors open for the kiddos to run out nor would they be missing for 1/2 an hour...30 minutes...are you kidding me?? I can't even comprehend this...

Let's work on this...even though it is from a reporter, and we all know about how we feel about reporters in this case...what "feels" wrong in this article...to YOU??

What I think is wrong in this article, is the fact that the parents knew that Madelaine was hard to settle down for the night, and they still left her alone, the door unlocked and according to restaurant staff never checked on the children for the time they were out dining. Knowing that one of your children was hard to settle leads me to believe they gave her meds to help her sleep so they could go out and wouldnt need to check on her as she had been sedated, whatever has happened after that I cannot work out for the life of me. There is just too much that I cannot fathom about this case. It really makes me feel sick.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Very good read, thanks for sharing it!

 

[philamena]

What I think is wrong in this article, is the fact that the parents knew that Madelaine was hard to settle down for the night, and they still left her alone, the door unlocked and according to restaurant staff never checked on the children for the time they were out dining. Knowing that one of your children was hard to settle leads me to believe they gave her meds to help her sleep so they could go out and wouldnt need to check on her as she had been sedated, whatever has happened after that I cannot work out for the life of me. There is just too much that I cannot fathom about this case. It really makes me feel sick.

Ditto to all you said.

 

[cenasangel]

What I think is wrong in this article, is the fact that the parents knew that Madelaine was hard to settle down for the night, and they still left her alone, the door unlocked and according to restaurant staff never checked on the children for the time they were out dining. Knowing that one of your children was hard to settle leads me to believe they gave her meds to help her sleep so they could go out and wouldnt need to check on her as she had been sedated, whatever has happened after that I cannot work out for the life of me. There is just too much that I cannot fathom about this case. It really makes me feel sick.

If they were giving her meds to get her to sleep they may have inadverently given her too much and overdosed her. As noone was checking on her she may have already been long dead before they got there. They then could have disposed the body and made up the kidnapping story to take the heat of themselfs.

 

[Elphaba]

Just watched the YouTube video of her on the new site... still bothered by how very little information about her is presented... checked other videos of the missing kids being presented, there, and they carry enough detail to get a grasp on what happened with their cases. Maddie's video does direct people to the Find Madeleine website, but as we all know, it holds very little info on what led to her disappearance and her full physical stats. Honestly, people can't totally rely on the eye anomaly, alone... within the context of everyday lighting where shadows always play a huge part, it will be hard to detect the eye issue. Just my thought...

I was watching Bounty Hunter the other day, and Beth shared about how she fell asleep on the couch for a short time and her first child got outside and down the road. A neighbor found the child and called LE... that led to the child being taken from her and put in the social service systems and eventually she let him be adopted... but the thing is... she made a mistake... and LE and social services immediately stepped in and made Beth accountable. I instantly thought of Maddie and how her mom and dad PURPOSELY left her alone... and yet they have not been held accountable.

I'll hush now... don't mind my heated words...

 

[Reannan]

Ahhhhh, yes, Cali...great minds and all that....

I also read alot in this article, especially that part. First, how in the he!! did she get out to escape for 1/2 an hour?? I would never leave my doors open for the kiddos to run out nor would they be missing for 1/2 an hour...30 minutes...are you kidding me?? I can't even comprehend this...

Let's work on this...even though it is from a reporter, and we all know about how we feel about reporters in this case...what "feels" wrong in this article...to YOU??

For me, the most significant incongruity in this story is the statement that Madeleine had previously ran away into the paths between the apartment and hid for 1/2 an hour. The night Madeleine went missing, however, Kate reportedly ran from the room back to the Tapas bar screaming that "They have taken her" and some version of "We have failed".....depending on what you read. Now, if Madeleine had previously ran away, wouldn't you think that you would assume she had done it again? Secondly, if you really did think someone had takne Madeleine, would you leave the twins behind in the room.....apparently still asleep? I think we are missing something here...:waitasec:

 

[CarpeDiem]

This has to be a completely different incident than the time they were called back from the restaurant that week because a child was crying. I can't believe the McCann's continued to do this. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[CaliKid]

Looking at the big picture, the McCanns and their friends can't have it both ways.

Either they checked when they said they did, she was already dead, and they're all guilty of a cover-up.

Or nobody checked on the children and left a wide margin of time for her to be taken.

The PJ also has a theory that someone may have been in the apartment with the children when GM checked at 9:05 and hid himself until he left. But that still doesn't explain someone killing Madeleine and staying with her for two hours.

 

[Shazza]

This has to be a completely different incident than the time they were called back from the restaurant that week because a child was crying. I can't believe the McCann's continued to do this. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

I really dont think that most parents would leave their children alone and if they did knowing that their children were hard to get to bed or had a history of being upset when they were left at home, wouldnt you think that was a wake up call, and not leave your children alone especially since there were babysitting facilities available. I just dont understand the logic or the lack of commonsense by these parents.